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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:23 PM
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Let's talk about 'Generation Jones'... those born between 1954 and 1965.
Gen. Jones makes up the largest segment of the population: 26% of all adults. They voted for Bush in 2004. Having reached adulthood during Reagan, they are far more conservative and less secular than the 'boomers'. They are the 'security moms', a large part of the evangelical voters, and ethnic 'cross-overs'.

I called them 'yuppies' in the 1980's as they entered the workforce, searching for the 'most' they could get, job-hopping, and anti-common good, self-centerness.

http://www.marstoncomm.com/Denver_Post.pdf

http://www.jonathanpontell.com/aboutgenjones.htm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:26 PM
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1. I have never voted for a Bush.
:)
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:26 PM
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2. Doing everything I can to skew the numbers
Born in 1964 (Nov 10), Secular Humanist, Liberal, Life Long Democrat, and able to recognize the words "promote the general Welfare" in the preamble to the Constitution.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:37 PM
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21. Happy birthday on Saturday...
...from another of the "Class of '64" who doesn't fit the OP profile at all.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:40 PM
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24. i was born in 1959 and im as left as can be.
i know very few republican voters in my age group.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:40 PM
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88. another 59er here!
And I've never voted rethug.

Tho my kids like to tease me...gee dad, you were born in the 1950's!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:00 PM
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61. Born March 1965 and the same
Happy Birthday! :hi;
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:27 PM
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3. thank you!
I've been complaining for years about getting lumped in with Baby Boomers. We really have no relation to them. We are the generation sandwiched btw baby boomers and Gen X. Too late for the sixties, too early for MTV.
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MotorCityMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:54 PM
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37. Another member of the (birth) class of 64
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 12:58 PM by MotorCityMan
I certainly never even considered voting for one of the Shrubs. Always been very liberal.

Hell, back in '72, we had a mock presidential election in class, and I was one of the very few who voted for McGovern over Nixon. Of course we were mimicing our parent's votes.

A coworker made a point about our age group to me, once, that I always remembered. It was Christmas time and we were discussing all the Christmas television specials (Rudolph, Charlie Brown, etc) and we knew them all. She made the comment that we were the first generation raised entirely on tv. Not in a "Truman Show" way, but the first generation where most of our households had tvs already when we were born, and where the tv became such a big part of our lives.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:28 PM
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4. Whats to talk about?
You indicate they are more conservative than the rest of the population. What do you want to do about it?


How about get out the vote efforts involving single women and preventing voter disenfranchisement in the African American community. Deprogramming is a lot of work.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:33 PM
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12. Exactly. I despise this broad-brush generalizations, anyway. nt
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:28 PM
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5. They are? That's me and most of my friends ... all lifelong liberal Democrats
Sociology is a fine science but these kind of sweeping allegories are best kept to a minimum.

Thanks for posting it, though. It was an interesting read.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:28 PM
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6. 1954 still qualifies as "Boomer", no?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:06 PM
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46. as well as 1955
:shrug: that's what i was always told...
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:15 PM
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76. The traditional definition has been 1946-1964,
but now they're trying to break the "generations" down into shorter time frames.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:47 PM
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93. that definition sucks though
I prefer 1941-1961. Since I was not part of the "baby boom" I hate being considered part of the bb generation.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:10 PM
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102. The best dates I've seen for the Boomers is 1943-1960
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 09:11 PM by Odin2005
Those dates are from a 1991 book on American social history called Generations, by historian William Strauss. According to Strauss American society alternates between "Crisis" periods and "Awakening" periods in a roughly 80-year long cycle. Each Crisis or Awakening period is between 15 to 20 years long. Strauss has the period from 1963 (JFK Assassination) to 1980 (the election of Reagan) as an Awakening era and he defines the Baby Boomers as the folks who came of age during that time frame, developing the collective personality of what he calls an "Idealist" generation (at the opposite end Strauss labels the WW2 Generation and Generation Y as "Civic" generations). Folks born in 1943 will generally have little or no significant memory of American life during WW2. Also, IIRC, folks born before 1943 were far less likely to be drafted to go to Vietnam then folks born later according to Strauss.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:30 PM
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7. Those were actually the second cohort of Boomers
and were too young to have taken part in the 60s as anything but kids being lectured to by frightened parents who were alarmed at the hippie types protesting against this fine country and the leadership of Richard M. Nixon.

They are as different from the first cohort as night is from day.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:02 PM
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45. Agreed.
They were also too young to be drafted to go to Viet Nam. That stopped as soon as the first of them graduated from high school.

For these kids, "the 60s" and "antiwar protesting" were a high school fad at most. My cousin (born in 55) was in high school when I returned from Nam ... and her sole question of me was could she have my greens jacket/(blouse). It was "fashionable" - and it made her one of the "cool kids." She has lived a life of "fashionable" liberalism (voting Republican quite often) - a child of middle class affluence too late and too comfortable to actually be on the front lines of any activism.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:38 PM
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59. I was Born in March 1954 and Had a Lottery Number
I wasn't drafted, but two people on my freshman hall were sent to Vietnam. Graduated from college June 1975 -- the incoming class in September was the initial wave of conservative students reacting against the counterculture.

I know exactly what the article is talking about but I think they missed it by a couple of years.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:09 PM
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64. The draft ended on July 1, 1973
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 03:14 PM by TahitiNut
There were only 646 men drafted in 1973, none of whom were sent to fight in Viet Nam. U.S. Military involvement in Viet Nam ended with the Paris Peace Accords in January 1973.

Someone like my cousin, born in 1955, would turn 18 and graduate high school in 1973. I have a half-sister, born in 1958, for whom the characterizations are even more apt.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:17 AM
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105. This Was in Spring 1972
Although I don't know where they ended up, they both had very high draft numbers (one was #2) and expected to be shipped off. Although the numbers were declining, it was still going on that year.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:57 PM
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60. I was born in 56
and the walkouts, protesting, and sitins were not a fad.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:50 PM
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71. Women that age are the majority of Code Pink
Some of them were even in the shit with us in '02.

Better late than never, as they say.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:31 PM
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8. 1959 - I have never voted for a Bush

Bush is a corrupt sociopath. It doesn't take a liberal or a conservative to see that, it just takes common sense.


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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:31 PM
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9. That'smy age group, and most of my friends are Democrats, too.
In fact, the only Republican friends I have are either ten years younger than me or ten years older than me.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:32 PM
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10. odd, I fit nothing of that profile...
born in 1963. always voted Dem, hated ray-guns guts, far more liberal than anyone I knew growing up, never went to a church of any kind, was a hard core punk, used to make fun of yuppies on the subway (ahhh I miss that, lol), followed my dream to become a poor filmmaker, always volunteered and gave to charity.

And I consider myself conservative then as compared to now. LOL
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:33 PM
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11. Oh, bullshit.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:35 PM
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18. Agreed and Well Said.
:freak:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:38 PM
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23. What she said. nt
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cenacle Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:43 PM
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27. there's freaks in every generation
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 12:50 PM by cenacle
I was in my 20s and listening to the Beatles in the '80s, and trying to find out as much as I could about the '60s and other more liberated periods. I hated the '80s then, I hate them now, no nostalgia at all for that time, despite it being my young adulthood. I miss my friends from then, and the times we had, but we were all pretty damned progressive. Stood on street corners holding signs against Pappy Bush's war. Pro-peace, pro-pot, pro-rock, pro-rights for all, anti-nuke, anti-cocaine/selfish/materialist/crappy music we saw and heard all around us.

So this is just me, but, thinking about it, then and now, it seemed to me like a liberal state of mind is a young one, not to do with age but to do with curiosity, and hope that the world isn't doomed and can be made better. There are liberal folks of all ages, and there are reactionary ones too. Sometimes there's more of one than the other, and the mass media will play that up, but there are always people in one place trying acid for the first time with the Dead on the stereo, and others figuring how to inherit their Daddy's wealth and get into the stock market as quick as possible out of college.

There are many my age now who like to think things used to be better in some way, the music, the way people interacted in person vs the Internet, etc. But there are some who keep along, not with the fads but with whatever seems to be really new and worth investigating. Some way older doing this too. Some way younger who could not give a damn about any of it, just want their piece, and their safety, and their three weeks annual vacation. But others way younger are waving the flags of freedom and gonna fight for it all their lives. The Who sang "hope I die before I get old" and I think I get this better now than I used to, old not being an age but a feeling of being worn out, starting to let it all pass by without notice or discernment or feeling.

Sociology and its statistics are useful for some things, trying to figure out general movements toward and away from liberation or control. But when you get down to the person-by-person level, things are different.

And as Chris Rock says, most people are liberal on some shit, and conservative on others. It's just not that easy to pinpoint any given person. We got libraries of books that will try, and experts being paid highly to pretend to do so, but it doesn't work. If it did, the world would not be the conflicted, ugly/beautiful place it is...
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:34 PM
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13. 'Generation Jones' was brought up in a thread in the lounge...
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 12:37 PM by devilgrrl
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:34 PM
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14. Another wrong stereotype I'm generation Jones
a liberal soccer mom who doesn't drive an SUV, didn't vote for Bush, secular not evangelical, never a Reagan fan, and smart enough to realize that security doesn't come from invading other countries to steal their natural resources.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:34 PM
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15. More labeling?
Then consider me an outlier. Born 1962. I was never conservative, a security mom, or a yuppie, and I never voted for Bush**. I'm atheist and more progressive than most of the Dems on the hill.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:34 PM
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16. LOL-- I'm from the very beginning of that demographic...
...and I defy virtually every one of the stereotypes mentioned. Also, the OP distinguishes us from the baby-boomers but boomers are generally acknowledged to have been born from 1946-1964, making "generation jones" the last decade of the baby boom.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:35 PM
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17. Generation "Jones"? What are they jonesing for?
Whatever. I don't know too many people in that age group.

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:48 PM
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30. A word in edgewise, between the Boomers and Gen X
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:51 PM
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33. LOL and touche!!
Thanks for that.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:36 PM
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19. Wow!
The "pull it out of your ass" school of demographics?

1956 here. I can't see that any of your generalizations apply to me. In fact, I reached adulthood under Nixon. Weird.


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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:41 PM
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25. Not my generalizations. See the links. For some reason, it seems that it's AOK to
bash 'boomers' on DU, but not any other age group. Nothing that has appeared in any of the many 'boomers are selfish, whining, crybabies' threads apply to any person, 54 to 66, that I know either.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:56 PM
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40. Sorry
I was aware that the statements were quotations. My phrasing seemed to incriminate you. Didn't mean it that way.


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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:36 PM
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20. I can't decide whether disco was our fault, or
whether we were the victims of it.

Plush velour, polyester prints, stack heels. On men...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:37 PM
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22. Yes, I'm here at DU because I voted for Bush, am a Regan conservative,
terrified that the bad brown men are going to kill me at Jr's soccer tournament, and dutifully sent my tithe to Pat Robertson today.

Yeppers--that's blondeatlast in a nutshell.















Do I really need this? :sarcasm:
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:42 PM
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26. I'm just going to say this. Most of you obviously didn't go to my high school...
because "Generation Jones" describes most of my classmates to a tee.

Yeah, you and all your friends are progressive/liberal and therefore everyone else you grew up with must be to? :eyes:

This is something that is a real problem and shouldn't be scoffed at.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:59 PM
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43. I got the sense that (per the author) they're an awfully unrealistic bunch...
Not ideologues themselves necessarily, but a generation who might be unusually naive when confronted by ideologues. (I guess I'm really just looking for an explanation for the debacle that was Market Fundamentalism, and how it persuaded us to destroy our own economy.)

Still didn't get a really good idea of what exactly it is that these people want.


/broadbrush

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:46 PM
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28. I was born in 1960, and I certainly never voted for Bush
and I'm not conservative at all (except for the concept that a government must live within its means, which was formerly a conservative principle but now seems to be completely abandoned by conservatives).
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:47 PM
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29. I never voted for bush. I am not at all conservative. I'm not a 'security mom" or a soccer mom
or a yuppie.

:wtf:

My hubby is also progressive, spiritual but not religious, has never voted for bush.

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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:51 PM
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32. That must mean that everyone born between 1955-65 is same as you?
It astounds me that many here are just dismissing this because they're surrounded by like minded individuals.

I think it has validity and I think Generation Jones is a BIG problem.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:14 PM
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48. I think broad brush generalizations are pretty useless. What specifically do you believe is
a problem that is found in individuals born 55 to 65? That is such a big problem which is not also found in groups born the decade before or in the decades since?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:33 PM
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56. How many years has a Dem been in the White House since you started voting?
I have 8 years of Clinton.

8 years of Reagan (voted mondale)

4 years GHWB (voted dukakis)

6+ years in on * (gore, kerry)
___
18+ years of right wing bullshit

And a lot of our generation helped get it there.


Does that answer your question?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:24 PM
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84. Plus 4 years of Jimmy Carter
and no, not really.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:44 PM
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92. And when was the oasis era of true liberalism before then?
There has been a slow, pervasive conquering of our institutions and media since 1980. We've never really had open elections since Kennedy died. In the words of an old friend of mine, "If elections could change the system, voting would be illegal."

Generalizations are pointless, useless and easily dismissed. We need to stop pointing fingers and accept a common ability and responsibility to fix it.


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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:05 PM
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94. Yeah well, you have your work cut out for yourself... Best of luck with that generation.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 06:16 PM by devilgrrl
You'll need it.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:36 PM
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96. No point in debating this further with you :( n/t
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:00 PM
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103. I sorry but based on most of people I grew up with, I buy the stereotype...
and truly believe that people who think like you and I (though, not on this issue) are the minority within our generation. I'm that cynical. :shrug:

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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:49 PM
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31. I've never voted for a Republican, I'm not religious....
was an early punk fan, and despised "Yuppies."

I find that most of the people my age absorbed the liberal politics of the '60's, but were skeptical about the hippie costumes, groovy slogans and drug use.

:shrug:

However, people born in 1965 are probably more conservative than those born in the mid to late '50's. I know a lot of current, or recovering, Republicans born in the early or mid '60's.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:51 PM
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34. does not describe me or my friends
born 1958,
class of 1976
music: The Eagles' Hotel California, Johann Sebastian Bach (I still hate disco)
remember JFK, RFK, MLK Jr., Vietnam, Nixon
raised by grandparents who almost worshiped FDR.

Conservative...me??
:rofl:
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:53 PM
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35. '56-NEVER voted for EITHER BUSH, or Reagan, am
definitely NOT conservative, Catholic, have had same job for 20+ years. Damn man where are you getting your stats from, the GOP?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:53 PM
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36. everyone born between '54 and '65 voted for Bush? link? nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:57 PM
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42. First link in OP.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:54 PM
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38. What a load of crapola!
More like Generation Jonzin' and no one I know in that time frame voted for Raygun !
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:54 PM
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39. '57 here. Carter was my first election. Never voted for a republican for President.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:56 PM
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41. I thought that the tail end of the baby boomers was 1964?
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 12:58 PM by book_worm
I was born in 1964 and my first vote was in 1982 and I've voted Democratic in every election. Never cared much for Reagan either.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:00 PM
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44. That's right DU, you don't fit the demographic - it must not be real
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 01:01 PM by devilgrrl
:sarcasm:

Nah! All those preppy, faux religious right-wing assholes I graduated from high school with in 1981 weren't real - they were a figment of my imagination.

:eyes:

Other great examples of Generation Jones: Joe Scarborough Ann Coulter Johan Goldberg Glenn Beck Melody Morgan, etc....
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:21 PM
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52. I don't think anybody doubts that there are those types but it's the broad swipe we don't care for.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:23 PM
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53. That may well be but there's validity to those broad strokes...
and people here should start taking the Alex Keaton's our generation seriously - they are real problem.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:12 PM
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47. 1962 Here and I'm a Liberal
I'm very much out of synch with what Pontell is calling "Generation Jones."

I voted for the first time in 1980 for Jimmy Carter's reelection. I've voted for Dems ever since.

I am very spiritual, but I'm not a born again evangelical. Got married and then divorced; never had kids and will not most likely, unless I become someone's stepmom.

The overarching theme of my life has been FREEDOM. Don't fence me in, don't try to make me into something you want to mold.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:18 PM
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49. Katherine Harris, Frank Luntz, Laura Ingraham, Nah! There ain't Generation Jones!
Curt Schilling, Kirk Cameron... they are so progressive just like us!!!!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:20 PM
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51. Sadly, Kirk Cameron is my vintage
Born Oct. 12, 1970
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:47 PM
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101. A GenXer, no less
Imagine that. :rofl:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:19 PM
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50. That's a bit of a broad-brush statement...
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 01:19 PM by LeftishBrit
I belong to the equivalent generation in Britain - those of us whose first vote was cast for or in my case AGAINST Maggie Thatcher - and we're a pretty varied bunch. Some are exactly what you describe. There were few things worse than a really RW university student of the early 80s, except those who have remained right-wing and are pursuing careers in politics or journalism. But there are also plenty of us who were so turned off by Maggie T. and her more ardent supporters that it's turned us left for life!

As a teacher in the same university as the one where I studied, I do have to say that my 1980s-born students are on the whole a nicer bunch than my contemporaries were. Perhaps this gives some hope for the future.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:27 PM
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55. Good to know about
college kids these days.

Those self absorbed Alex P Keatons I went to college with were the chief reasons I stayed far away from the Business School and gravitated toward the English and Theatre departments.

At the time, I would have have gladly given my eyeteeth to have been able to vote against MT. But ugh. Reagan was enough. :puke:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:26 PM
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54. I've been talking about this generation (mine)
But it is more narrow. It is for people who were born 1958-1964 of parents who were too young to serve in WWII but were old enough to know the hardship and details. They were born in the depression years and were taught very selfish values by a generation that struggled to survive.

We are a "lost" generation.

This group was the first raised on post "golden-age" TV. We started with decline of community culture and the rise of Media Defined Culture.

Now we realize that things are really wrong. And no one listens. We have been telling the same tales and we are NOT the Bush supporters. We are the ones who turned our backs on our media culture, consumption and conservative religion.

Many our age side with the older generation and want to stick to fear, selfishness, consumption and exclusion, the old ideas of hate are alive an well there.

So now it is time FOR US TO LEAD we have to show the next generation what progress really is...what integrity and fairness is, what compassion is....and who is that going to be leading us as we MOVE FORWARD.

Barak Obama - Born 1961...

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:33 PM
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57. Born in 55, politically active since 68
I do remember the sixties. I missed being drafted by a year. Yes, I noticed. But I'm too young to be a hippie.

My younger brother was born in 61. Total horses-ass Republican. Too young to remember Viet Nam. Loves Bush.

There's a big difference. 1954-1964 is too wide a swath.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:37 PM
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58. I'd put the swath at 1960-1965
The worst US generation ever.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:07 PM
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62. It ain't me, babe--born in '61 and immediately clad in a red diaper
My folks, who came of age in the Depression and WWII, instilled good liberal values in me, which I hold dear to this day. Reagan and his ruinous policies damaged us deeply and in a very personal way. Neither of my folks ever pulled a lever for an "R" and I won't either.

However, some of my childhood friends did defect to the Dark Side. I still scratch my head about it.
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:56 PM
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63. I'm glad you posted this.
I think that Generation Jones is often overlooked by politicos and that it is a serious mistake to lump us in with Boomers. I've been reading about Gen Jones for a while now.

I strongly disagree that Gen Jones is more conservative, however. In fact, by being "children of the '60s", we are probably more liberal than the boomers. The problem is that when we reached adulthood with our 60's idealism we were confronted with 12 years of Reagan/Bush and many, many went over to the dark side. The important thing to note from the articles posted is that this demographic is PERSUADABLE. The ones that voted for Bush aren't hardcore republicans. They may even define themselves as conservative but when you question them more closely, they are far more progressive than they would like to admit. And, as others have mentioned, a whole lot of Gen Jonesers are very, very liberal.

Very interesting subject and one that our candidates would be wise to explore further.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:11 PM
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65. As a gross generalization I'd say, yes, that generation sucks.
I'm almost a part of it ('66).

There are a lot of smug, self-satisfied Republican idjits among 'em/us.

As I said -- gross generalization.

The younger generation is much cooler.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:20 PM
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82. so they're really Generation Johnson...
Bunch of pricks!

:hide:

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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:12 PM
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66. Whew... 1953... I just made it out of this category
I remember BEING called a yuppie, cause for a while in the 80's we were doing quite well, or so I thought...

Is this also the population who also couldn't "get" the Beatles as of Rubber Soul? Hmmmm?
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:19 PM
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67. 1965 here
The author of this piece is making huge generalizations. I was a stay at home mom for 15 years, always voted for Democrat, work for a school district now making not great money but allows plenty of family time, do as much as I can for anyone.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:18 PM
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80. HOw can someone talk about a generation without making generalizations?
Don't you realize when speaking of a large cohort of people there are always exceptions?

It does not change the general truth.

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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:24 PM
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68. I would strongly disagree with the lower date range
1954 -- Those born in that year were still heavily involved with the hippie generation, though they were a big young. They were still up for the draft. They still helped particiape in massive demonstrations against the government. They remember watergate.

I would change the dates to 1956- 1966.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:27 PM
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69. Born in 1956.
Never voted for Bush, sorry.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:27 PM
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70. No we are not the 30-something yuppies of the 80's
That would be the actual boomers. If you were born in 1965, you were 20 in 1985. Not remotely responsible for anything that happened in the 80's.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:41 PM
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90. Thank you. I was born in '63 and had a purple mohawk during the '80's
I've always just called myself Gen X, since the band, Generation X, released their last album the year I graduated from High School.

Yuppie my ass. Only on TV.


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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:01 PM
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72. Who comes up with these idiot sub-categories?
I've always been considered a baby boomer. Now some freaks all of a sudden want to classify me as a "generation Jones?" how absurd. I can't speak for the lot of us, but the people I knew wouldn't have voted for Reagan. Also, I, and many of us came of age a lot earlier than Reagan.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:03 PM
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73. Please do NOT throw me in with the Bush voters.
I have never in my life voted for a member of the Bush family. I'd rather eat worms than do that.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:11 PM
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74. And if they voted for Kerry in 2004
how would anyone know? I will not repeat common "wisdom." When the truth is the country is dying from among other things a raped treasury spent on war and greed, and our money is worth nothing. Common wisdom also thinks we are the greatest country on earth. I'm tired of thinking what is the mass delusion.

Anyway I was born in 62 and am techinically a boomer. Yuppies always ignored the crap out of me and still do. I guess they drive mini vans now. I do not. I can NOT on prinicipal let my kids play soccer, thus become a "soccer mom". Soccer is BORING. FOR GOD's sake do not become a cliche-especially a Mark Penn cliche.

LEAVE my generation alone. We had REAL music. It was called the 1980's-new wave, and punk. What do they have now-oh YES Brittany Spears. Please. Blondie could eat her for a snack.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:13 PM
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75. Born in 1963...came out of the womb a liberal and I've been going left ever since...
...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:15 PM
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77. yeah, they have me all figured out
NOT
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:17 PM
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78. 1959-never voted repub
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:18 PM
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79. I was born in 1960 and despise being lectured by older boomers.
I'm a lesbian pagan socialist vegetarian who has never voted for a Republican, much less a Bush.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:22 PM
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83. Bingo. I think my ENTIRE college class was HORRIFIED when Reagan won the 1980 election.
This is just nonsense. Of course there are republicans in this age group, just as there are in EVERY age group - self-righteous 'boomers' included, but to pin the whole mess on us? Give me a break.

ps - no disrespect to 'boomers', I only say 'self-righteous' in this particular context of blaming younger generations.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:29 PM
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85. It isn't so much a generational thing as it is a regional one.
The generation that followed ours were in love with Reagan down in Oklahoma. I feel pretty certain that was the case in other more conservative parts of the country.

But in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1983 and 84, I found that to be the case. I was attending Rogers State College in Claremore, (yes, I waited a long time to go to college) and was one of a handful of liberals on campus. I even had a professor caution me once that it would be unwise to spout my liberalism there.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:19 PM
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81. I'm so liberal, I have to make three lefts to make a right.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 05:19 PM by Joe Fields
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:32 PM
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86. Yeah! Let's talk about some "them"s. They're the problem! Not us!
Us'ns are just fine, the problem is all those (bluehairs, yuppies, newbies, teens, kids in restaurants - pick one)

I was born in 1962. My first vote was for Mondale. (I was three months too young to vote for Carter's reelection). I have voted straight D (with one exception for Washington State Secretary of State) since then.

The point of a wedge issue is to find a defenseless scapegoat, not one which includes 26% of the public you hope to convince to vote our way.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:37 PM
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87. Had no idea they had a name for my generation
born in 60 I always thought I was a boomer. Maybe that's why I'm very liberal, have always voted democratic or even more to the left, and have been arrested more than half a dozen times in protests. It's good to know that I can sit on my ass and be a good pug... thanks for the help. Fuck I hate labels.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:41 PM
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89. Oh yeah, I had no idea there were so many old people here.
I feel much more at home.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:42 PM
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91. shit, i'm too old to participate
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:34 PM
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95. Generation Jones? I guess I was jones-ing to be a Boomer.
I relate to the boomers. Always have. Always will. I have some friends who are yuppies. I try not to discriminate :D
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:42 PM
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97. July '54. I'd chew my arm off before I would ever vote for Bush
Where do they get this shit?

Never a yuppie, always a hippie...
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:52 PM
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98. The Boomer generation lasted until 1964, according to all info I have seen.
These Boomers were prevalent in the "Me" generation and the "Greed" generation, but there were an enormous number of exceptions.
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:56 PM
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99. Generation Jones gave us Punk...
...and I love you guys for it!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:42 PM
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100. Thank you, we're pretty proud of it ourselves! nt
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:08 PM
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104. Bullshit.
Born in 1961, never voted Repub in my life. Hardly a yuppie, never a "security mom"- but a mom nonetheless.
There are plenty of folks my age like me.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:25 AM
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106. Nice try
Born in 1958 and have never voted for a Republican. Never will unless the Republican Party miraculously becomes the Democratic Party of 1933-clone.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:29 AM
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107. Artificial construct
Even those born in 1954 remember the police turning dogs and firehoses on civil rights marchers in the 60's. Even those born in 1955 remember Kent State. Even those in 1956 remember Vietnam.

You can call them whatever you want, but they are boomers and Obama doesn't think what we managed to accomplish in the 60's doesn't need to CONTINUE to be fought for. He'd rather 'compromise'.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:44 AM
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108. Yes, those broad-brush generational slams are so fucking productive, aren't they?
It's not our fault, it's the fault of those fill-in-the-blanks.

News flash. There are good people- and assholes- of ALL age groups.

"born between 1954 and 1965."

You mean like these guys?





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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:51 AM
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109. IQs had started to plummet at this point.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 06:51 AM by Perry Logan
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:55 AM
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110. Way to unite the country Barak. n/t
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:11 AM
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111. To paint an accurate portrait, it helps to have a finer brush
Generational warfare is divide and conquer.

Thanks for contributing to that!
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