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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:28 AM
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Hang in There, Guys!
I know how hard it is to feel any hope at all these days. Things seem so bleak, and frustratingly out of our control.

But things will change for the better; wrongs will be righted, and damage will eventually be undone.

And I have the evidence to back me up – albeit just anecdotal evidence. But I thought I’d share it tonight with all of my friends who might be feeling as I am; alone and lost in a world gone mad.

My maternal grandfather, the son of an Irish immigrant who had little education and not much opportunity in a time when “Irish need not apply”, eventually left his job as a bartender to open his own place. It was just a small neighborhood bar in Brooklyn, but it did well enough to support an ever-growing family.

But then Prohibition became the law of the land, and with no training or skills to do anything else, grandpa turned his bar into a coffee shop, one that served bootleg liquor in mugs to the regulars who still came by of an evening, just as they always had.

Grandpa thought it would never end. He would always live in fear of being found out; he would lock the doors every night of his life, wondering if it would be the last time before he was carted off to jail, leaving a wife and a tiny apartment full of kids to fend for themselves.

But it did end.

My great Aunt Rose, my grandfather’s sister, used to tell me about how she and her husband, young and in love, married at the onset of the Great Depression. They both took whatever jobs they could find, and struggled to make ends meet – never allowing themselves the luxury of a single thing that was deemed unnecessary, like a second cup of watered-down coffee for breakfast when one would suffice, or a bus ride home from work when the hour walk might be tiring, but could save a nickel better spent on food.

Aunt Rose often said that in those days, they never pictured their lives being any different. It would always be a life of survival, devoid of luxuries like bus rides and second cups of coffee, no less things like having a child or maybe two, because another mouth to feed just wasn’t in the cards.

But it did end.

My mother was married at seventeen, quickly and without the fanfare that girls of that age dream about. My father, eighteen at the time, was in the Navy and about to be shipped out to places unknown, along with her brothers and all the boys in the neighborhood, just part of the forces needed as the second World War raged.

So she stayed with my grandparents, along with her newly-married sister and sisters-in-law, a houseful of women and small children who spent their days fearing every knock on the door, lest it be yet another kid in uniform bringing the kind of news that no newlywed should ever have to bear.

My mother often told me that they never saw their lives as changing; it would always be this way. Neighborhoods full of women whose daily routine consisted of writing letters to loved ones far away, and attending the funerals of those who had not lived to see the children they’d left behind grow up.

But it did end.

After high school, I went off to art school in Manhattan, where I became best friends with a girl from upstate, who often talked about the time her parents had spent in prison in their early married days. She talked about it as if I would understand who they were, and why they’d been in jail. It took a while before I understood; her parents had joined the Communist party after World War II, seeing it as the answer to their idealistic desire for peace through community and a sharing of work and wealth.

Her parents were caught up in the madness of the McCarthy era and, as she told me, they never saw things changing. They would always be shunned for their political views; always at risk for having once been members of an organization later deemed to be un-American and unpatriotic, rendering them unemployable and unacceptable to society at large for the rest of their days.

But it did end.

I know how easy it is to say that we are now in a situation that has never existed before in our nation. The so-called president is a lying idiot, the vice president is a crook, and their entire administration is nothing more than thieves bent on the destruction of our nation’s economy, its citizens, and its standing in the world. And I don’t dispute those facts for a minute.

But let’s remember that we, as a nation, have survived dark and dismal days that, for those citizens who lived through them, seemed endless.

But what we are going through right now will end.

In the meantime, we have each other, each willing to stand up and fight for what is right, willing to do whatever is necessary to change what we can, as quickly as can be done.

Let’s never forget what a precious thing that is.

Goodnight, my friends. Tomorrow is another day, and we will meet its challenges together.

We will not be defeated. The stakes are too high, and we, together, are too committed to yield.




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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:31 AM
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1. Thanks
for once again adding brightness to a dark moment.

K&R
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:32 AM
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2. exactly what I needed to hear right now
Thanks Nance! :hug:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:35 AM
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3. You write so eloquently and you again...
brought tears to my eyes and a smile to my face.

I'm all choked up....

Thank You.

:loveya:
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:29 PM
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57. Living long enough to see time is the great equalizer
Hello Nance,
I've been enjoying your posts ever since I started browsing this site and I copy them and send them to my friends and family. The photo of Molly Ivins initially caught my eye and I love that you continue in the tradition of writing so clearly, so cleverly, so charming and funny and yet prick at the heels of those needing chastizement. In my fantasies I'd write in that realm but so far most of my words are like singing into a well and the only voice that comes back is my own echo.

I wrote a lovely response but it got lost. Here's my attempt to re-create it.

I'm only 45 but have lived long enough to see that as we get older we tend to long for the "olden days" when things SEEMED simpler. I hear even older people say, "The world is going to hell in a handbasket". This has been common as long as I can remember. I sometimes find myself longing for the 80's or 90's when it seemed simpler than now. The Reagan era was my experience as a young adult and new mommy. I remember watching the events of the cold war and worrying all the time about a nuclear threat. Even a mere 10 years ago during the Clinton Era I remember worrying that the foolish shennanigans of our powerful leaders would be the undoing of the nation. Now, in comparison the scandals of that era seem like childs play compared to the corruption and evil tactics of the Bush Administration. Perhaps it's like having a really obese friend stand next to you to detract from your own chubbiness.

My mother's generation longed for the 50's and 60's. It SEEMED like an ideal time where women were women, men were men, black was black, white was white, and good and evil always had distinctive music to announce their entrance into a story. We all know what folly those illusions were and the frustration and hypocracy of the culture of the 50's led to the dissention and revolts of the 60's and 70's.

I grew up in that dissention. I grew up fearing that my brother would be drafted and sent to die in Viet Nam. I feared racial tensions would bring about anarchy. I feared pollution would create such toxic air and rain and soil that we'd all die of cancer and lung infections. I feared that gas shortages would cause riots and violence across the nation.

When Nixon was forced to resign I remember watching my mother weep at the humiliation and shame and uncertainty of our nation and it's leaders. Mistrust of government and big business and authority were the meat of my formative years.

Now, many of those fears are realized in the present administration and like so many other Americans, I feel a constant fear and gnawing anxiety at the circumstances our nation and the world faces.

Reading your article reminded me that I am a GOOD American. Most of the people on this site are GOOD Americans. We do good things every day. We work, we help our neighbors, we raise our families, we innovate and create and respond to the many things that need our compassion and energy. George Bush and Dick Cheney do not represent America. They do not represent the GOOD that is in the rest of us. They and the companies they are in bed with represent all that is evil and corrupt.

WE THE PEOPLE have expelled corrupt dictators in the past. WE THE PEOPLE have fought against tyranny and oppression and won. WE THE PEOPLE have found good and just leaders and supported them and WE THE PEOPLE can do it again. We are innovators, creators, leaders, inventors, producers, and dreamers. We sent men to the moon, ended wars, created vaccinations for some of the worlds worst diseases, fed nations, and connected all of us here on this site with the internet. WE THE PEOPLE can change the course of this nation and make a difference in the world.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:06 PM
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64. Thanks for this beautiful post


I just wish I could agree that it's basically the same as it has always been. Unfortunately, I think many of our problems are much bigger now. Environmentally -- systems are at the breaking point. Toxic pollution and toxic chemcals are everywhere. There are more than 80,000 man-made chemicals today. And technolgy is much more capable of wreaking havoc on our bodies and our world.

We are living in especially dangerous times.
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:23 PM
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75. We're Not In Kansas Anymore
I had no intention of presenting a PollyAnna view that all will be well if we just elect a good leader. In fact, whomever that leader will be will be handed a bag of broken glass and the demands to "Fix" it will nearly paralyze any leader, even a good one. We the people are over 300 million strong. Surely there must be a fair proportion of those people who are willing to rise up, to fight and work and sacrifice and change to make the difference in the world. It won't just be a leader but a nation of leaders. An apocalyptic view and bitter resentment won't be the glue that will hold us together. I don't doubt for a moment that our world is more corrupt, more toxic, more troubled, more cruel, more in the throes of anarchy than ever before in the history of our modern world. I also don't doubt that one person can influence another person, and another, till a whole community is inspired, and then a city, and a state and a nation. Nance inspires me with her words and encouragement.

Today I signed yet another protest against Bush and Cheney. Today I lent my name and reputation to some serious causes. Today I tried to share information and influence with people I love to inspire them to do something too. Today I reduced, reused, recycled. Today I didn't spend money I didn't have or go where I didn't need to go or consume what I didn't need to consume. I'll do it again tomorrow and the next and the next. I alone can't change the world but all of us can.
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ideagarden Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:42 PM
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74. although optimistic and nice...
Having quaint ideas that is will all go away is nice and might help you sleep at night, but we are far from WE THE PEOPLE. There are very real divisions in thought and culture prevalent in this nation. There is also a growing lack of a creative mission, which could be revitalized through science and discovery, but we must stop crush the creative discourse (i.e. myspace, facebook, video games, mass TV, ecologically sterile behaviors...etc). A recession is now, the banks are almost finished. This is the time act to preserving the physical economy through social welfare and technological improvements to better people's lives.

I keep hearing people saying how many days are left before the election. Rather than counting them, lets root out the traitors of the constitution, the banking oligarchs, the fascists, and the sophistry in our country. We need more than a fantasy that the elections will solve our woes. Let us pave the way forward with creativity and compassion. Lets find the leaders, and if there are none choose to lead to be one.

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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:44 PM
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84. I agree. No offense intended but this story stinks of naivety. "Lets put on a
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 09:49 PM by Peregrine Took
musical" type Hollywood b.s. My parents were Irish immigrants and we, somehow, lacked that "over the Finnegan's Rainbow" type ending. Just a lot of anxiety, depression, alcoholism - typical of most first generation families.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:36 AM
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4. Thank, you, Nance. I absolutely believe this to be true, but right now,
it's good to hear.

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:49 AM
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5. groovy, from a country that still sings "Hail to the Queen!!"
:hi: would that our nobles *were* noble :thumbsup:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:50 AM
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6. Thanks Nance that was wonderful.
:hug: :grouphug:
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Gonzo Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:54 AM
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7. Gracias, Nance n/t
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:01 AM
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8. I needed that, Nance.
It hasn't been very uplifting or encouraging around DU these days. Your words are a wonderful reminder of why I'm proud to be an American.

Write the book already. Put me on the list of buyers.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:01 AM
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9. Wow. I needed that. Thank you. nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:11 AM
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10. My dear Nance!
This is, without doubt, your very best and most eloquent, thread ever...

I am proud to live in this time, that has you in it...

Beautifully, beautifully put!

We desperately need to hear the perfect history lesson you have given us tonight...

It is so easy to lose your sense of perspective...

K&R

:patriot:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:16 AM
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11. So many...
So many are in need of any slight salve.

Times are different, like they always are.

The stakes are higher than we could have imagined.

Like every time before.

And now, more than ever, and just as much as ever before, it's nice to have you around.

I'll be here too.

O8)
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:22 AM
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12. Beautiful, NanceGreggs!
Absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much!

:hug:
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:19 AM
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13. Thanks Nance, I feel better already and will share this. n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:41 AM
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14. You know I needed this message.
Thanks
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:48 AM
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15. k&r
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:55 AM
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16. Thanks but I can't help but believe that we are just ONE
mere terrorist attack away from Martial Law.

Our civil rights have been slowly eroding as our Democratic Leadership has been either AWOL or actively supportive of an all-powerful "Unitary Executive."

No, it's getting worse and we must rid ourselves of the DINOs lest we will, within a decade, make the full transformation into either neo-conservative or neo-liberal fascism.

Thanks, but IMO, our Country's "democratic republic" is swirling the bowl ... it's going to get UGLY real fast. Strap yourselves in or choose to live in the learned helplessness of a Cable TV nation. :(
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:14 AM
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17. beautifully said, Nance
and this sums up the human spirit.
"An optimist is the human personification of spring."
-- Susan J. Bissonette
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:24 AM
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18. The only phrase that is true in EVERY situation is "This, too, shall pass". K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:27 AM
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19. Goodnight, sweetie.
:hug: K&R.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:42 AM
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20. I needed to hear that. Some of the people on this board have gone nuts tonight...
...too busy savaging the frontrunning Dems to see their own madness.

But this will end.

Thank you.

Hekate

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:49 AM
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21. K&R, as always for Nance n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:49 AM
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22. For Too Many, It Has Already Ended. They Are Dead
And BushCheneyCo is the reason why. I cannot go buddhist about it for those reasons alone.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:08 AM
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23. Thank you, Nance.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:08 AM by JohnnyLib2
Time will prove you right.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:12 AM
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24. I'm starting to like DU again...
Your heart and your mind are so definitely in the right place.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:32 AM
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25. Oh What A Waste.
.
Again I am in total agreement with your points, the national nightmare and disgrace of peace and prosperity will end. USA will finally have to do away with the appearance of a free and open government.

But until this happens the people will have to go through a period of civil strife and discourse led by honest citizens who believe in overarching goodness of the people of USA. I hope I can live up to your model and be worthy of standing next to you in the fight.

Thank you.
.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:49 AM
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26. "I am convinced that we shall overcome
because the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." -MLK :hi:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:33 AM
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27. Some things that are better...
There are countless investigations going on. Healthcare is on the table. The internet is safe for now. Our wounded vets are no longer lying around in their own urine. The Senate Ethics Committee is back in action. Many 9/11 Commission recommendations are being passed. A bill to increase financial aid for colleges has passed--the single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill. The President's signing statements are being investigated. Legislation to restore haberus corpus has been approved. The Senate Armed Services Commitee has passed legislation "that would grant new rights to terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay. The unions have a voice in the government now—as do gays, women, and minorities. The environment has a fighting chance. The House passed the Taxpayer Protection Act, to protect taxpayers against "identity theft, deceptive Web sites and loan sharks." It also makes it "easier for taxpayers to retrieve property lost as a result of a wrongful Internal Revenue Service levy and directs the IRS to notify lower-income people that they qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit." The House approved a bill spending $1.7 billion over five years for cleaner water. There's a new House committee devoted solely to addressing the issue of global warming. And much more...
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:01 AM
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28. kicked & recommended
Never give up hope... NEVER!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:24 AM
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29. Nance...Bleak Was The Days After the '04 Elections...
How many of us woke up that morning feeling like the bottom had fallen out of the world. We were not only stuck with 4 more years of the Worst. President. Ever. but also with Democrats failing to make any gains in either House. Seeing that fukstick gloating about "earning political capital and I'm gonna use it", put me in a funk for weeks on end. The telepundits were all ready to dance on the Democratic party's grave...and, ya know, it was close to happening.

Whenever I see a bad vote or some friction here in DUland, I look back on those ugly days of November, 2004 and where things are now...then think of where things can be. I honestly believe the Repugnican "philosophy" has been destroyed for many years ahead (thanks to this regime) and the pendulum of change is starting to swing in our direction. Just like the excess of the Repugnicans in the 20's led to the New Deal of the 30's and the 50's McCarthyism led to the 60's Civil Rights era, we're long overdue for another era of Progressive advancement in this country, and I see the time coming that it can happen. All it requires is faith, hard work and patience.

Defeated? Hell No, Nance, I feel more emboldened today than I have in many, many years. I know that what I stand for was right, is right and that there are others, such as yourself and many, many here on DU, working toward better days ahead. Here's hoping for many celebrations ahead...we've been to the abyss, now it's the Repugnicans turn.

:hi:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:22 AM
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30. Thanks, Nance. I needed that. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:43 AM
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31. Thanks for the effort.
The only problem is we ARE in a unique situation today. In the past, the constitution has been ignored from time to time but not dismantled. That makes a pendulum swing much more difficult for us. Right now, its pretty much dismantled. In the past, we didn't have the powerful international corporate entities controlling all aspects of policy both domestic, foreign, and legal. To get back, we have to have the constitution reinstated at a time the populace doesn't even realize it's gone or what is in the constitution. We may succeed. We may not. But thanks for the hope.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:49 AM
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32. Damn I love you NanceGreggs.
:hug:
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:51 AM
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33. This thread is useless without this pic :
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 08:53 AM by CT_Progressive


:D
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:14 AM
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34. K & R
:kick:

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:19 AM
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35. hard it is to feel any hope at all these days???
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 10:11 AM by NNN0LHI
We have these freaks by the balls.

Their day of reckoning is coming soon.

And they know it.

Paybacks are a bitch.

Don
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:35 AM
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40. I believe they will get their just dues. Every dog has its day.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:59 AM
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42. I will devote the rest of my life doing whatever I can to bring these criminals to justice
I am convinced I will not be alone in this endeavor.

Don
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JimboDem Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:22 AM
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36. Thanks!
:grouphug:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:27 AM
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37. This one brought tears to my eyes.
When people who are supposed to be my representatives in the Government seem to be confused about if TORTURE is ok. When the government is SO out of whack and destructive for this Country and the whole world is is easy to get discouraged.

I have to believe that there is just enough of the structure remaining to stand on, just enough material lying around on the ground to build with... I have to believe that the field hasn't been sown with salt.

But some days it is so hard.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:28 AM
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38. This, too, shall pass. K&R.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:29 AM
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39. thanks Nance, yes we are all together.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 09:36 AM by alyce douglas
we just need to be persistent and support Dennis, he is in our corner.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:42 AM
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41. Not a rant
but "Reasons to be Cheerful, Part 3," with apologies to Ian Dury and The Blockheads.
Thanks Nance for something to hold us together until the figurative stake is driven through the Vampire's heart. I would have preferred leaving out the qualifier "figurative" but we're being monitored for connections to anything opposed to der Fuhrer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waHZLENM7kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2I7rlmefA8
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:07 AM
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43. I hope we don't see those kind of days again but it seems like a new dpression is just around the
bend and could be here any day now. If China dumps the $ we are screwed big time!
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:10 AM
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44. Thanks, Nance. I want to believe you're right about this, & I hope you are.
Thanks for sharing these stories. :-)
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:12 AM
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45. Nice
:applause:
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:48 AM
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46. Thank you, Nance.
It is important for us to always have hope and remember that nothing is permanent. Thank you for reminding us of this.

:hi:

K&R
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:49 AM
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47. Thank you for that ray of hope in an otherwise bleak world...
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 10:51 AM by Seabiscuit
There's a part of me, however, that would rather suffer as those you mentioned suffered through prohibition, the depression, WWII and McCarthyism than witness the utter demolition of our most cherished institutions, traditions, values, and economy by a band of criminal thugs with tentacles connected to numerous powerhouses of right-wing think tanks and the entire military-industrial complex gone mad with hunger for more and more power.

There's a part of me that recalls living through terrible times myself that pale in comparison to what thousands and millions are suffering through as we speak as a result of the neocon's reign of terror.

I grieve for every family of every U.S. citizen "disappeared" into Gitmo or any of several secret CIA torture prisons around the globe. Those identified in your post as having suffered through those past periods of turmoil would still find it difficult to imagine a United States that steals people away in the middle of the night and tortures them indefinitely in secret gulags without charge and without any legal recourse - by a U.S. government that has not only torn up the Constitution, but the Magna Carta (habeus corpus) as well.

For all they suffered, those people you identified would undoubtedly find it virtually imposssible to believe that their government now embraces some of the worst practices of both Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union, including blanket illegal wiretaps of all citizen communications through all available media.

I could go on and on, but it's just too depressing.

I love believing in hope. But part of me doubts we will ever fully recover from the current nightmare, especially since the economy is on the verge of collapse due to the huge devaluation of the dollar in addition to a 9 trillion dollar national debt.





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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:38 AM
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48. Noted the lack of Nance Rants for a couple of days.
Figured you were off working on something elegant and profound. Mercy me, I do love it when I'm right! Thank you!
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:41 AM
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49. thank you. i hope that you are right.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:53 AM
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50. things will change
but i fear it won't be during my lifetime.

And definitely not during the lifetimes of our soldiers who died in Iraq, and the surviving walking wounded.

Too many lives are already over. I mourn for them. I am angry for them, and for myself.

Whatever I do, I'm doing for the future generations, the nieces, nephews, and friends' kids. But for myself, I've stopped dreaming.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:54 AM
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51. Gulp (& K & R) nt
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MadinMo Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:02 PM
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52. What a terrific piece
This is a great piece --- and just what we all needed to read these days. Thanks for the words of encouragement and reminders that we can look forward to better/different times.

It is hard to believe that things will improve. I fear things will get worse first, but you are right that they will change and be better.

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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:03 PM
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53. Aww, thank you, Nance. Now I'm crying. You are beautiful.
:grouphug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:09 PM
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54. Thanks for recharging my batteries. They were getting a little low of late.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:16 PM
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55. k&r and choked up
this is why i can't stay away from du

thanks nance
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:24 PM
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56. Thank you dear Nance!! it stinks now..but this too shall pass, if we do not give up! eom
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:29 PM
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58. I just hope it ends . . .
. . . before I end.
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:57 PM
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59. It's easy to see...
...in retrospect, how temporary a crisis is. I will add to that the Cold War. I grew up knowing that a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons was constantly poised, ready to obliterate all life on the planet at any moment. During the Reagan Era, we had a president who placed first strike nuclear weapons five minutes from their Soviet targets, greatly increasing the risk that a simple computer glitch might precipitate the deaths of everyone I knew, and every place and thing I loved.

One of the great lies of the "War on Terror" is that somehow a few thousand renegade homicidal maniacs are a greater, more sophisticated, and more immediate threat to us than any army, oppressor, or empire in history. In the catch phrase, "Post-9/11 World" there is an inferred insult to all of our ancestors. In effect, it says that a small group of colonists fighting for their freedom with limited resources and almost no money against the might of the British Empire in its heyday are somehow childishly naive compared to a populace living in luxury in the only superpower in the world, a superpower with a military financially larger than all the other nations of the world combined.

We're led to believe that they somehow lived in a safer world, a gentler world, and that their notions of liberty, freedom, and rule of law are therefore quaint and not applicable.

It is time to rip this lie to shreds and expose its perpetrators for the greedy, cowardly un-American weasels that they are.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:12 PM
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78. I love your understanding of things and I love that I get to have you around real time
especially when I start losing my footing with all of this stuff. Bestest partner ever!
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:52 PM
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60. Thank you for the pep talk Nance!!
We need that now more than ever. Bush will be gone someday soon and our country will recover. We are very hard working and determined in America and we have survived turmoil before and we will again. It is our destiny to overcome tyranny. Thanks again for your eloquent post. You are indeed the most brilliant writer on DU and elsewhere!
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:01 PM
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61. Another wonderful, insighful post, NanceGreggs.
I deeply appreciate your words of encouragement.

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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:15 PM
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62. K&R ::: Thanks again Nance. Right tone; right time,
...right message!

Why don't you have an internationally syndicated column?!
How do I pre-order your book?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:10 PM
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63. there's 46 more shopping days left til Christmas
walmart would like to remind us all of that fact to help us take our worries off the criminal BFEE! ha

Nance, I didn't want uplifted today, I'm in a bit of a rut with all the bad news continuing, and a Congress that just doesn't seem in touch with reality just makes it worse. Thanks for the great words to remember, this nation has faced this sort of evil before, and in time, things will change - they always do.

Keep fighting the good fight...

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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:08 PM
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65. Well put, NanceGreggs.. A little morale boost is always welcome N/T
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Paul_Weyrich Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:09 PM
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66. No kidding it's hard to feel any hope.
Don't have to tell me.

:sad:

Bush has bankrupted the country. This is horrible. We all so much debt to the Chinese. :puke:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:17 PM
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67. Thank you
You are right that it will end. I think the thing that gets me is the waiting, not that I'm sitting here doing nothing but just right now it seems like all I do goes out into an echo chamber that lacks an echo. It just goes into this void and I wait. Wait for it to change and ruminate on what that change will look like and how much I and my family and friends will hurt or benefit from the changes that are coming.
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roxnev Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:22 PM
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68. You don't
Really believe that the Bush war will end tomorrow
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:31 PM
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72. No, we don't believe that it will end tomorrow...
But it will end some day. And we need to do whatever we can to hasten that end.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:27 PM
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69. Nance, you have a beautiful soul
Thank you. :hug:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:29 PM
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70. Thank you.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:30 PM
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71. You are a wise woman, Nance, and slways seem to know what we
DUers need. Thank you for being YOU!
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:35 PM
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73. Thanks so much
This is just the kind of pep talk I need today. :toast:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:45 PM
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76. Ah, you give us hope, again!
Thank you for such a great, positive thread. They've been in short supply and I'm guilty of participating in that.

:hi: :hug:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:12 PM
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77. Thanks for the inspiration....
reminds me of a certain candidate I support who makes me choose to be inspired.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:17 PM
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79. Cause they never gave up..
that's why it ended! So, here we all are again!
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:18 PM
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80. My cynasism on hold for one day in honor of your post... n/t
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:20 PM
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81. Yes, I do hope you are right Nancy.
I do know that was a fine morale boost, but if we just sit back and wait for it to end that it will be a very long wait.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:21 PM
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82. Great post!
I think we all need to keep reminding ourselves not to give up hope. Thanks for an optimistic post! :)
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:43 PM
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83. We will not be defeated.
That is what comforts me. I am a short term pessimist, but long term optimist(Being a Cleveland Sports Fan prepares you for that :) ). Good Thread.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:23 PM
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85. Thanks ...
In the same vein ...
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."
-- Mahatma Gandhi

I have sent many of your posts to my mother. You are gifted!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:59 PM
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86. Thank you Nance!
I've seen situations like this before. Things appear to be hopeless for a while and just when you think you're ready to lose all hope, you keep pushing and you come out victorious.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:03 AM
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87. Thank you and well put.
:)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:45 AM
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88. God damn it,
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:47 AM by bleever
this post deserves 100 recs every day.

Thank you for being right, and having the right words.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:08 AM
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89. Oh, things do end. Sometimes in death.
They talk about a "sweet release" quite often. We'll be hearing more of it. Hell, most country music and Christian hymns practically celebrate it.

It isn't a matter of the externals changing, like the end of Prohibition or the end of a war or any of that. The nature of Americans, and of people in general, has changed for the worse. Violence isn't simply national policy; it's our popular entertainment and our recreation. Those aren't really aliens that are being shot in Halo; it's Jews and blacks and anyone who is different from "us," and the game manufacturers know enough not to say it out loud.

This Christmas, the film many are looking forward to is the film version of the musical Sweeney Todd, a tale of a fictional mass murderer so stricken by the misery of life that he kills random people, not just the people who hurt him. Sweeney sings, "For the lives of the wicked should be made brief/For the rest of us, death will be a relief/We all deserve to die." The film WILL be a blockbuster.

That, not this Care Bears stuff, is the true nature of Americans circa 2007.
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