Bill's new buddy: Richard Mellon Scaife

[ProSense]

POLITICS

So Happy Together

Bill archenemy Richard Mellon Scaife now has 'admiration' for him. Huh?



A New Game Plan: The Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm their most vocal opponents

By Mark Hosenball | NEWSWEEK
Nov 19, 2007 Issue

Bill Clinton is never at a loss for company. When he's not globe-trotting or charming audiences for as much as $400,000 a speech, he's often schmoozing visitors in his suite of offices in Harlem. Last July, the former president sat down with a billionaire impressed with the William J. Clinton Foundation's campaign against AIDS in Africa. The two men chatted amiably over lunch for more than two hours, and the visitor pledged to write Clinton's foundation a generous check. But there was something unusual, if not plain weird, about the meeting. NEWSWEEK has learned that the billionaire so eager to endear himself to the former president was Richard Mellon Scaife—once the Clintons' archenemy and best-known as the man behind a "vast, right-wing conspiracy" that Hillary Clinton said was out to destroy them.

Scaife was no run-of-the-mill Clinton hater. In the 1990s, the heir to the Mellon banking fortune contributed millions to efforts to dig up dirt on President Clinton. He backed the Clinton-bashing American Spectator magazine, whose muckrakers produced lurid stories about Clinton's alleged financial improprieties and trysts. Scaife also financed a probe called the Arkansas Project that tried, among other things, to show that Clinton, while Arkansas governor, protected drug runners.

The Arkansas Project largely came up empty, and most of the stories were ignored by all but the most avid Clinton antagonists. But one Scaife-backed conspiracy theory got widespread attention. In 1993, White House aide and Clinton friend Vince Foster was found dead of a gunshot wound in a park outside Washington, D.C. Three official investigations concluded the death was a suicide. Yet Scaife dollars helped promote assertions that Foster had been murdered—the not-so-subtle subtext being that the Clintons had something to do with it. Scaife hired Christopher Ruddy, a reporter who doggedly pursued the conspiracy theory in a Scaife newspaper, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Though discredited, the story resonated with people who believed Clinton was hiding dark secrets. Scaife and Ruddy later started Newsmax, a Web site and magazine that attacks their enemies and lauds their heroes.

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What is going on here? Scaife declined to comment, but Ruddy tells NEWSWEEK he and Scaife believe Clinton's life since leaving office has been "very laudable," and that he is doing "very important work representing the country when the U.S. is widely resented in the world." He said they never suggested Clinton was involved in Foster's death, and insisted they were not among those hyping alleged Clinton sex scandals, though he acknowledged their work may have encouraged others.

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If you can't beat them, join them!

[KharmaTrain]

1. So...

Scaiffe cuts Clinton a big check that Clinton then uses for his foundation to combat AIDs in Africa and this is bad?

Honestly...his money is as green as anyone elses and if it's going to a cause that eliminates suffering in the world vs. giving that money to the Repugnicans to kill more, I say take the money and say thank-you.

[gaiilonfong]

2. That is NOT the point.

It is not about the money for his foundation, that is Clintons cover. It is the obvious back-door deals that they cut to leave Hillary alone. Mellon-Ccaife is one of the most horrendous ReTHUGlicans around. Do you really think he wants to support Bill;s foundation???????

[cali]

4. and you'll provide evidence for this "obivous back-door deal",

right?

[gaiilonfong]

6. Just read between the lines of the article

If you have read Isikoff's drivel in the past, that is where it all starts, there will be more to come that is obvious. If you don't agree fine. Just ask yourself, would you be chatty and having lunch with someone who for years said you murdered people, etc...etc...etc.... That's MY proof, and I don't need more!

[pacalo]

52. I'm with you, gaiilonfong. Totally with you.

Something stinks to high heaven when (1) Clinton & Poppy Bush suddenly become close friends; (2) Hillary subsequently becomes a presidential candidate, while the media, who demonized the Clintons 24/7 for 8 years of the Clinton presidency, leaves us scratching our heads by giving her a newfound legitimacy as the "frontrunner"; (3) campaign donations roll in from those responsible for demonizing her (Murdoch).

I have no documented "evidence", but my common sense tells me that some backdoor deal was made, at the very least, to treat Hillary with kid gloves.

[Tellurian]

5. It's a Tax Write Off for Sciafe..

whats the problem?

Has Obama kicked all the Republican working for him out of bed yet?

(yes, I do have links)

[ProSense]

9. Here comes all the excuses, and trying pulling other candidates into it! n/t

[gaiilonfong]

13. Yes here they come!

Triangulation=The Clinton's

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Should People Die Of AIDS Because Richard Mellon Scaife Is A Lout?

DSB

[ProSense]

22. OMG! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Is There More Or Less Money To Fight AIDS After Scaife Contributed To The Fight?

DSB

[ProSense]

27. Can Sciafe give to AIDS project without becoming Bill's best buddy? n/t

[Tellurian]

59. Yes, the usual. The blind muckrakers leading the blinder muckrakers..

[Forkboy]

78. Don't be so hard on yourself.

[sendero]

46. Tax writeoff...

... where spending $100 saves you $30. Your point is?

[Tellurian]

58. My point is: Can't you read?

Here is the relevant quote from the article. Scaife's donation was not to Hillary's campaign as you assumed..but:

"Last July, the former president sat down with a billionaire impressed with the William J. Clinton Foundation's campaign against AIDS in Africa. The two men chatted amiably over lunch for more than two hours, and the visitor pledged to write Clinton's foundation a generous check."

[cali]

3. amen.

hackneyed but true: Politics make for strange bedfellows.

[ProSense]

7. Yes, that's why the uproar for McCain to return Swift Liars money.

Or for Giuliani to denounce Pat Robertson. Politics makes for hypocrites of the highest order! Selling out principles to the highest bidder. What next?

[cali]

14. This is not campaign money. It's going for AIDs projects

and yes, that makes a difference.

[ProSense]

15. Yes, and Limbaugh's money when to children of veterans. Foxie, a charitable man. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Would You Suggest That If Limpo Contributed To A Group

Would you suggest that if Limpo contributes to a veteran's help group they should return the money?

[ProSense]

29. And if he contributes that makes him a great guy? Then I should advertise on his program? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. No...He Sucks...But His Money Can Do Good

As can Mr.Scaife's money...

[ProSense]

32. It's all about money isn't it? Is Bill going to schmooze Limbaugh next? Or these guys:

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam. And a guy that led several departments ... with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden because he dared to vote against the president's version of the Homeland Security bill. Most Americans still don't know the truth.

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The world is full of people with money, some of them have principles.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. If Bill Can Get Limpo To Drop A Few Millions To Help AIDS Victims, God Bless Him

DSB

[ProSense]

40. Yeah, especially if it gets Limbaugh and the dittoheads to laud Bill during his vitriolic spew! n/t

[gaiilonfong]

16. Mellon=Scaife could care less about AIDS

It is all about what hew can get for himself.

[KharmaTrain]

18. People Can't Nuance Here...

Yes...the money goes to the foundation, not a poltical action committee or some "consultant fee" or grant. I'd bet if we look at other similar foundations we'd see quite an interesting cross-section of names. As long as the money goes to help those who are suffering, that's what matters.

But, as you see, there obviously some black-helicopter plot afoot...a massive Bilderberg or some other conspiracy at work. :rofl:

In a past campaign, word got out that our candidate had gotten a nice contribution from a prominant local Repugnican...a person who in a previous election had maxed out for the opponent. The candidate laughed...said that their kids went to the same school and they had become friendly through the PTA...while he never would hear boo from the Repugnican. While they disagreed on the politics, the donation was made because of personal bonds. We later found out the guy still donated the max to the opponent as well...but the money still came in very handy.

[ProSense]

21. Who said anything about a conspiracy?

Contributing to AIDS project = best buddies? No, it's plain old selling out!

[KharmaTrain]

26. And How Is This Selling Out?

I doubt they are going to vacation together in the Hamptons this summer or Scaiffe will be doing any fundraisers for Hillary any time soon. So how does contributing to a worthy charity equate selling out?

[ProSense]

28. Of course this article is just about the AIDS project donation:

Bill Clinton now finds himself the unlikeliest of Scaife heroes. Last month Ruddy posted a softball interview with Clinton on the Newsmax site (sample question: "What is the best thing about being an ex-president?"). A worshipful cover story followed in the current edition of the magazine. Clinton, it gushed, is "a political and cultural powerhouse" who is "part Merlin and part Midas—a politician with a magical touch."

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Whatever the reasons for Scaife's change of heart, it's not hard to figure out why the Clintons would embrace a former nemesis. As they prepared for Hillary's presidential run, the Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm, or at least neutralize, some of their most vocal opponents. Last year Hillary accepted an offer from Rupert Murdoch (who always hedges his bets) to host a fund-raiser for her Senate campaign. The New York Times reported that the Clinton camp has also made efforts to open a line of communication to blogger Matt Drudge, who has served as a conduit for anti-Clinton GOP leaks.

[KharmaTrain]

35. So Writer's Spin Means Sell Out?

All this is conjecture...not a direct quote from either party. Again...I don't see a Scaiffe donation and that the Pittsburgh Gazette is ready to endorse Hillary. It's Michael Issakoff playing mindreader and feeding the "Conventional Wisdom" game. Sure looks like its working.

[idgiehkt]

63. they aren't giving Clinton credit

he is one of the smartest politicians this country has ever seen, if not THE smartest. He wasn't called 'slick willie' by his opponents for nothing, the man is a genius. Getting a psychopathic bigot to donate money for AIDS in Africa is just like something Clinton would do.

[JerseygirlCT]

47. Scaife is dangerous, and devious

and were I Clinton, I'd take the check and then run. He's probably attempting to subvert the work of the Clinton Foundation by ingratiating himself and his billions.

He's also one of the men behind IRD, the right-wing organization working very hard to subvert many of the more progessive-minded, mainline Protestant churches in the US.

Not to be trusted. Take his money with eyes wide open, and offer absolutely nothing in return.

[mod mom]

8. Friendly with the bushs, friendly w Murdoch, DLC ties to PNAC. Now this.

[Mutineer]

11. It speaks volumes doesn't it?

Unfortunately, some here at DU seem to have "hearing" problems.

[Me.]

54. Yep

Don't believe those 'lying eyes' of yours.

[leftist_not_liberal]

60. Corporate Duopoly. Where's the news?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

75. It seems to me...

the Clintons are trying to engage in a very dangerous tactic involving a form of aikido -- getting close to your enemy in order to disarm/overtake them.

Now, that might work all peachy in a real fight between two individuals, but we are talking politics here, where "I scratch your back/you scratch mine" is the norm, and rarely is anything done without an expectation of return.

In this instance with the Clintons, "aikido" is looking uncomfortably close to "lying with dogs", in my book, especially with this crew they are playing with.

Penn? Murdoch? Scaife? Creme de le Scum, as far as I am concerned. And just what will they be wanting from a President Hillary Clinton?

The mind boggles....

[Pab Sungenis]

10. He forgets that Bill doesn't have pardon power now.

He might have been sucking up to get a pardon for the death of Steve Kangas.

Or he's trying to figure out why Bill's marriage lasted while his is being blown right apart.

[Octafish]

19. Thanks for remembering Steve Kangas, pabsungenis.

The guy pegged the plutocrats and their methods of co-opting American politics.

The Origins of the Overclass

[Pab Sungenis]

50. Does anyone know who holds Steve's copyrights?

I think his writings should really be published in book form, and I want to know who to suggest it to.

I miss Steve. The first great "Web Warrior" for liberalism.

[MadHound]

12. Let's see, Bill schmoozing with Scaife, Hillary schmoozing with Murdoch,

Naw, no way these are symptoms or evidence of the two party/same corporate master system of government in action:eyes:

[maddiejoan]

20. Sounds more like --

--Greedy monied people wanting to back the winning horse.

speaks more to Murdoch and Scaife then it does to the Clintons.

[MadHound]

23. Really?

After all, it isn't like the candidates could have some scruples and/or morals that would dissuade them from taking money from corporate interests who are looking to buy influence. After all, it isn't like Clinton and Clinton were forced to take this filthy lucre at gunpoint. Whatever happened to having a defined set of principles and sticking to them?

Sorry, no pass from me. These donations are just one more example of how these corporate candidates have become corporate whores, ready to take the money, and do the bidding of their corporate masters.

[maddiejoan]

31. Whatever gets you through the night, hon.

People with money are gonna spend it. I'd rather have them give it us.

I see it more as the elite sensing the paradigm shift and jumping aboard, not the reverse.

[MadHound]

34. So, you are willing for Clinton and Clinton to sell themselves out for the highest dollar?

You wish to see them sell out what little is left of their morals for corporate lucre? Don't you understand that it is attitudes like this that has gotten us to the place we are now? Sorry, but abandoning your morals to get that corporate money means that you are abandoning the overwhelming rest of the population in this country, selling us out for that thirty pieces of silver. Don't believe me? You know that'96 Telecom bill that we all decry for turning our media into a propaganda machine? That same bill that Bill pushed and signed off on? Guess who one of the largest donors to his Presidential campaign that year was. Oh, yeah, the corporate media. Get the picture?

You may be willing to see our government sold out to the highest bidder, but many people aren't, and more are coming on board daily. While Hillary may be leading in the money race, she still needs votes to get elected, and as more and more people see her for the corporate whore that she is, the chances of her getting elected dwindle correspondingly. Think about it.

[maddiejoan]

37. I don't accept your premise.

You set up a conclusion from a faulty premise and expect me to agree with you.

It's that same false Hegelian tactic that has been used by attackers of the left for decades.

I divorce myself from your black & white world. Your inability to see things in shades is the same kind of fault that
creates bashing of "nuance" and complex thinking.

It saddens me deeply whenever I see another progressive buy into this simplistic level of thinking.

I'd argue it's attitudes like YOUR'S that have gotten us to where we are now.

[MadHound]

41. Really? You really should get out more.

There are many, many prominent people who are coming to the same conclusions that I am. Daniel Shore was saying much the same thing today on NPR. Noted authors Paul Roberts, Kevin Phillips, Rodriguez Tremblay, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and many others voice the same opinions that I do. Prominent activists and politicians like Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin, RFK Jr, Dennis Kucinich and others also hold this view.

This isn't some crackpot conspiracy theory, this is the reality of American politics. Corporate money has become the most influencial factor in our government. The interests of the people are sold out time and again for the interests of the corporations. Perhaps you should pull your head out of the sand, look around and see for yourself.

I find it ironic that you who holds the black and white view of "Dems good, 'Pugs bad" concerning our government accuses me of such rigid thinking. Perhaps you should consider a bit more nuanced thought process:shrug:

And the fact that you're stating that it is attitudes like mine that got us to where we are now is absolutely hilarious. How so(and please don't bring up Nader, I really don't want to have to expend the energy to kick down the Nader myth again, though I will)? How has those who decry corporate influence in our government ruined our society? Really now, don't you think that you're reaching?

[maddiejoan]

42. Okay.

Thanks for patronizing me, sweety.

It's quite possible, you know, that I once held your limited world view and evolved past it.

I never said "Dems good" "Pugs Bad". Nor do I ignore reality.
You don't know my politics --or what I think would be best for this country.

But I don't buy into your victimized world view either.

Oh noes! The rich exert more influence than the poor!!!

Sorry --it's hardly a new phenomenon.

I also didn't say those who decry corporate influence ruin our society (more of your false premise dialectics?)

I said people who see only black or white ruin our society.

[MadHound]

44. LOL! Project much there, oh so patronizing one?

Starting with your first reply to me you've essentially accused me of being a black and white, simplistic, duelistic, narrow minded, party destroying, country destroying troll of some sort:eyes: And now you have the nerve to act all offended? Wow, the hypocrisy is just jaw dropping:wow:

Project much?

It is obvious that you are unwilling to be civilized about this, and that you desperately want to hang onto your own limited world view, even though you don't have a shred of evidence to back it up with. Therefore go ahead and make your pithy, over the top reply, and we can go on our way, agreeing to disagree. Peace:hi:

[maddiejoan]

45. okie dokie smokey

Rage against the machine!

[fedupinBushcountry]

39. Agree

Here are some more of Scaife's projects and not to mention he is the owner of Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (which is a republican rag paper) also on board with Newsmax:

When Scaife refocused his political giving away from individuals and toward anti-communist research groups, legal defense funds, and publications, the first among these was the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University.

Through contacts made at Hoover and elsewhere, Scaife became a major, early supporter of the Heritage Foundation, which has since become one of Washington's most influential public policy research institutes. Later, he supported such varied conservative and libertarian organizations as:

American Enterprise Institute
Atlas Economic Research Foundation
David Horowitz Freedom Center
Federalist Society
Foundation for Economic Education
Free Congress Foundation (headed by Paul Weyrich)
Freedom House
GOPAC (headed by Newt Gingrich)
Independent Women's Forum
Intercollegiate Studies Institute (which operates the Collegiate Network)
Judicial Watch
Landmark Legal Foundation
Media Research Center (headed by Brent Bozell)
Pacific Legal Foundation
Pittsburgh World Affairs Council


Political donations
According to campaignmoney.com, from 1999 through 2006, Scaife has, under the name "R. Scaife," made 10 contributions of over $200 to political campaigns, for a total of $19,000. Under the name "R.M. Scaife" he made 4 donations, for a total of $22,000. Under the name Richard Scaife, he made 23 donations over this period, for a total of $142,904. Besides donations to the Republican National Committee and various political campaigns such as Santorum 2000 and the Santorum Victory Committee for Rick Santorum, he has also supported Political Action Committees such as the Pro-Growth Action Team, the Free Congress PAC (formerly: Committee For the Survival Of a Free Congress), and the Club For Growth Inc. PAC.

Scaife also funded the Western Journalism Center, headed by Joseph Farah. Farah has been connected to reconstructionism, a movement to replace judicial law with Christian Old Testament law. The organization is antigay, and would move to punish "practicing homosexuals" by sentencing them to death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife">link

Money is the root of all evil. I wouldn't trust this scumbag for one second.

[ProSense]

53. Exactly! n/t

[leftynyc]

71. It's the Love of Money that's the root of evil

Ain't nothing wrong with having bucks.

[bvar22]

48. Sounds more like

greedy monied people buying influence from unprincipled politicians.
Business as usual.

BTW: What are the clear principles that Hillary stands on?
or
Will she "triangulate" anything for a price?








"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[kelligesq]

69. Correction

One party. Two = 1 party with the same goals.

[OzarkDem]

33. Its classic DLC campaign strategy

1 Ignore your party base. Don't spend time on them or their issues, they will turn out to vote, volunteer and donate anyway. Wh

2 Distance yourself from your base and its values and issues - the better to pick up extra votes from more conservative voters. Your base will vote for you anyway.

3 Reach out to the right wing and conservatives - see above


This isn't snark or a joke. I've worked on campaigns that were solicited by the DLC selling this strategy. It might have been marginally viable in the 1990's, but not now.

[idgiehkt]

65. isn't the money going in the wrong direction here?

that would mean Clinton's strategy is something like 'look, do me a favor, then pay me.'

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

36. What a total whitewash of the Arkansas Project and true history. Crimes by Rs led to impeachment

of Clinton. Had the Rs not committed crimes, funded by Scaife, Clinton would not have been impeached. People were paid to lie.

Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1029113

[Frank Cannon]

43. Maybe Bill is just trying to get Dick in a room alone...

so he can kick him in the balls as hard as he can.

[guruoo]

49. With all due respect, I believe the OP has it backwards

" If you can't beat them, join them!" -Which is what SCAIFE is trying to do.

[L. Coyote]

55. Hindsight is why every horse's ass wishes it had eyes!

[L. Coyote]

56. How do the architects of the Arkansas Project, and those who told the lies, think about today

and how approving are they of present day politicos they supported? Restated, How do the liars like the liars?

[idgiehkt]

64. I think if there is anything 'behind' this, that is it

is might be some kind of jab at Bush.

I think repukes like cover...they like to be able to go about their affairs of raping and pillaging the world with everyone thinking things are just chugging along hunky-dory. That is why they pick actors and dufusses like Bush to run, so as not to arouse suspicion and put the spotlight on them. Bush 2 is killing way too many working-class sons, which eventually is going to backfire, which will lead to possibly another Bill Clinton type presidency. I don't know how that worked out for other people, but I kind of liked those 8 years of peace and prosperity.

[L. Coyote]

74. Far right people are saying the "good old days" are when we worried about sex

in the oval office, instead of criminals.

[blm]

51. The whole dog and pony show in the 90s obscured all the dirty FINANCIAL DEALINGS

and the altering of banking policies.

Oh look, media - - SEX!!!!

Now, while the media and the country is looking the other way, let's change the rules for our fascists masters' banking and finance agenda.

[Disturbed]

57. New odd couple: Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich

New odd couple: Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich - International ...

The two former rivals have teamed up on a number of issues, including health care and the New York senator's presidential prospects in 2008.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/13/news/clinton.php

[wisteria]

61. Yuck. What a pair. n/t

[idgiehkt]

62. so this is what happens when assholes go senile? They get nicer?

I don't know, but AIDS in Africa is the worst thing to happen to the human race probably ever and I can't judge Bill for sitting down with someone with that kind of dough looking for a donation. By 2010 AIDS is predicted to surpass the Black Plague as the worst epidemic in the history of the human race, and most of those deaths will be in Africa. I didn't know Clinton had a foundation vs. AIDS in Africa, that is really cool.

[Greyhound]

66. I see that the usual moles have wasted no time at all in coming into the

fray. The saddest thing is that there really are people dumb enough not to spot you, or worse still, that want you here.

[flyarm]

67. remember that bastard went on attack with his newspapers at Teresa Kerry and he lied about John

as well ..he is a prick..and he does not give to any Dem unless he wants something..and i don't give a rats ass what he is giving it for.

He is the one who set up Judicial Watch to go after Bill Clinton about Paula Jones..and who paid for Paula's over haul in the looks dept ..does anyone else remember that??

this smells ..rotten.......

fly

[Hell Hath No Fury]

76. Rotten...

to the core. :(

I am seeing something fascinating going on here at DU.

For 6+ years we have mocked those who voted for George Bush, even though there were plenty of warning signs for those who bothered to look that he would be trouble.

We wondered how could they be so willing blind?

I guess we are seeing a glimpse of just how that kind of thing happens...

[kelligesq]

68. That's it. First buddy buddy with pappy, now Scaife -

those guys are the power brokers - deals have been made to smooth the way for Hillary. No question about it. Remember the third way? Centrist. Achieve
the goals of the globalists. Bill has always been a
globalist with the Nafta treaties and others similar.
We just didnt realize it.

And his pronouncement: "There will be no impeaching, that's the past".

Too bad. Really sad that they have joined the "vast right wing".

They must feel they dont need the liberal democratic base anymore. And that's good, cause I dont think the
liberal democratic base is going to support them.

I cant wait to get a copy of this newsweek and bring it to the next local Democratic Executive Committee.
Maybe it'll stop them because they've already decided
this state's delegates are going for Hill.

[Greyhound]

72. Many of us did realize it and have telling you for 13 years or more. Does the phrase,

"Ignore what he is saying, look at what he is doing", ring any bells?

[Perry Logan]

70. Bill knows that if Scaife is in the tent, he won't piss in the tent.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

77. Does BIll understand...

that the crew he is playing with want to own the damn tent?

[Lilith Velkor]

73. After 7 years of Bush, Clinton looks good even to Felon Shite

:crazy: