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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:49 PM
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David Sirota: Was Ross Perot Right?
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David Sirota
Was Ross Perot Right?
Posted November 26, 2007 | 01:29 PM (EST)



Was Ross Perot right about the North American Free Trade Agreement and its effects on workers and immigration? That is the subject of my newest nationally syndicated newspaper column out this past Friday. This is a key question in the wake of Hillary Clinton trying to laugh off the topic at the last presidential debate (see the interchange here on YouTube).

Roughly 20 million Americans in 1992 thought that he was, in fact, right. Those are 20 million independent swing voters - a Ross Perot voter demographic that remains absolutely critical. Just take a look at this map - and make sure to roll your cursor over the states. Notice anything interesting? Yes, that's right: The states where Perot did best are some of the most closely divided and therefore politically important states in the country - states like Nevada, Colorado, Maine, Arizona and Oregon.

The Wall Street Journal notes, the debate over NAFTA is becoming ever more intense in the Democratic caucus race in Iowa. Ben Smith at the Politico puts the whole political question in stark relief in a story published one day after my column:


Though Perot has been off the stage for a decade, strategists in both parties recognize that his supporters remain a key bloc and that voters' dissatisfaction at the end of the administration of the second President Bush has echoes of the mood when his father was booted from office. What's more, neither party has geared up to focus on pet issues of the Perot crowd: opposition to immigration, unfettered trade and foreign wars.



Substantively, whether Perot was right is pretty clear. Though the Washington Post this morning trumpets "NAFTA's record of raising living standards here and in Mexico," as my column shows, the actual facts prove that's a typical lie manufactured by the the same paper that, as economist Jeff Faux documents, worked overtime to silence all criticism of the original NAFTA. Since NAFTA passed, Mexican wages have plummeted increasing illegal immigration pressure at the southern border. Meanwhile, American wages have stagnated, and a million American jobs have been eliminated. That says nothing about the environmental degradation that NAFTA helped accelerate. .....(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/was-ross-perot-right_b_74148.html



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:51 PM
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1. So Far, I Haven't Seen Any Evidence Saying He Was Wrong
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:56 PM
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2. I think most of us have heard that giant sucking sound

that Perot predicted.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:57 PM
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3. Of course he was right (on the issue of job suckage). (NT)
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:58 PM
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4. No question about it
He was right then. He is right now.

NAFTA, GATT, H1B, wholesale exporting of jobs and opportunity in return for a big pile of shit.

The bigger joke is the jobs and manufacturing that went to Mexico didn't stay long. Off to China they went.

You couldn't make this sad story up if you had worked at it.

It is a breathtaking mess.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:59 PM
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5. I think Ross was a pretty smart guy.
And as mentioned, so far, no one has proven that what he said was wrong. In fact, much of what he warned would happen has happened.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:01 PM
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7. Those funny lookin', plain-spoken guys often *ARE* the smart ones.
There's a lesson in that for the Democrats, but they're too
pig-headed to take it.

Tesha
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 04:15 PM
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9. I always loved his quip
If his wife can't trust him, I won't either!
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:59 PM
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6. He was portrayed as a crazy old coot
but he was dead on accurate about NAFTA.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:07 PM
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8. Funny, isn't it?
Those who have challenged the "we know better than you, so shut up and do as we tell you" of the Two Party ended up being right. Crimeny, I was seeing here just a few weeks ago where dyed-in-the-wool Democrats were wondering out loud that maybe -- just maybe -- Ralph Nader was right.

Funny, isn't it?
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