Hillyrun Kenobi: "These Aren't the Donor Lists You're Looking for..."

[CorpGovActivist]

With a free subscription to GuideStar, you can view the Form 990s for the Clinton Foundation, including the redacted contributor schedules, going back to 1998.

To see the currently-secret donor list of 7 and 8 figure contribution amounts for 2005 and 2006 without signing up for GuideStar, click here.

"These aren't the donor lists you're looking for."



Other weak-minded fools may fall for that old Jedi mind trick.

But to mix my Star Wars metaphors, seemingly invincible campaigns can be brought down by one plucky, subversive little data transfer and an inattentive campaign officer.

Meanwhile, back at the Rebellion's home base ...

- Dave

[sniffa]

1. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[CorpGovActivist]

23. Glad It Tickled Your Funnybone; Hope It Informed, Too (n/t)

[DainBramaged]

2. Is this a concentrated effort to bash a Dem tonight or are you just bored?

[CorpGovActivist]

3. The UAW, UMWA, AFL-CIO, and Teamsters All Know...

... that pay-to-play practices and follow the money is important: http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=afl-cio+damon+silvers+associate+general+counsel+%22pay+to+play%22

The list of regulatory comments that the unions have filed on related matters is pretty long.

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

6. And?????

I'm ex-UAW. I will support the candidate selected by the Primary process as our next candidate for President and Vice-President. I REFUSE to bash ANY of them either now or later, because most of us who are level headed and LIFELONG Democrats don't fall for this bashing bullshit.


Would knowing we don't need this here make you happier or is it simply to draw attention to your hatred for Hill and Bill???

THIS is what we got because so many jumped the fence and voted for anyone but Al Gore

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

9. Spar with someone else we're done here.

Like I said, they all have their faults, and only one is a woman.


Good luck in your crusade.:spank:

[CorpGovActivist]

38. The Democrat Least Subject to Blackmail by BushCo....

... is the Democrat most likely to work with key members of Congress to take the steps necessary to bring it all to light.

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

45. I want the BFEE cabal convicted and imprisoned, you sure read me wrong.

[CorpGovActivist]

52. Which Candidate Do You Think...

... is most likely to cooperate with like-minded Members of Congress to pursue the matters?

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

51. Which Candidate Do You Think...

... is most likely to espouse open government, BLM?

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

8. Further Reading

This affects both defined benefit and defined contribution pensions: http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=pay+play+contributions+nonprofit

"We mine the coal. The good folks in Pennsylvania turn it into steel. Then our brothers in Detroit turn the steel into cars. We take our wages, and buy American cars."

Actually, in his case, my grandfather always bought trucks. But the lesson stuck.

And he didn't wait until the general to get involved.

- Dave

[frylock]

10. that's what we got because gore ran a shitty campaign..

with a piece of shit for VP, as well as election fraud. But why ruin a good myth with facts?

[DainBramaged]

12. ...........

You really believe that? Do you rember a jackass named Nader?????


Go visit the Tinman, you two need to talk.

[frylock]

30. oh brother..

read some fucking palast for cripe's sake.

[DainBramaged]

32. I do, and Nader supporters share most of the blame for 2000

If just 1000 had voted for Gore in Florida, we would be in a continuing era of peace and prosperity for all, not war and hate benefiting the super rich only.


I hope your day is as sunny as your reasoning.:banghead:

[depakid]

33. It's strange how some people never learn

You go ahead and keep thinking those sunny, irrational thoughts and pine away for 1999.

[CorpGovActivist]

37. Applying the Lessons of 2000...

... and mindful that there well could be a third-party candidate again, who do you think has the best chance of securing 270+ Electoral College votes in 2008?

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

43. How many votes did Gore need to beat * to prevent the recount?

That's all you need to focus on, not Palast's meandering diatribes that didn't do shit once the Supremes said fuck you America.


You stay delusional, we'll all be better off!

[CorpGovActivist]

48. The Letter I Wrote to Scalia and the Supremes...

... probably has me on "the list."

:rofl:

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

40. Think Bloomberg and/or Hagel Runs This Time? (n/t)

[DainBramaged]

44. Roll he dice, I think it's horseshit by some media guy

looking to stir up shit.

[CorpGovActivist]

47. Never Underestimate a Bombastic Billionaire's Ego...

Exhibit A: Ross Perot

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

77. Recent News re: Bloomberg

http://news.google.com/news?tab=wn&hl=en&scoring=d&q=%22mayor+michael+bloomberg%22+candidate+president&btnG=Search

[CorpGovActivist]

29. Return of the Gore-di

Revenge of the REGO Nerd: How Al Gore's Foresight May Repay Mark Penn

Bitter defeats often contain the seeds of ultimate, spectacular victory.

Empire Strikes Back ---> Return of the Jedi

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

36. Which Democrat...

... do you think can secure 270 Electoral College votes?

- Dave

[bvar22]

64. Ex-UAW?

Job went to Mexico with the Clinton NAFTA? That really sucks, man. I feel for you.
The Free Traders (Democrats AND Republicans) really fucked a lot of good American Workers.
Upper Management and CEOs have made out pretty good though, so I guess it balances out.


I respect your Party loyalty, but I can't bring myself to vote for someone who works against my own ecomomic interests, Democrat or not.



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[CorpGovActivist]

66. " can't bring myself to vote for someone who works against my own ecomomic interests"

For me, it was less that, and more that she works against all of the key policy issues about which I care most deeply.

But I sure have a lot of friends and family members who are in total agreement with your statement.

- Dave

[Selatius]

11. How is posting campaign contribution records bashing? How is posting facts bashing?

The facts speak for themselves.

[CorpGovActivist]

13. Faith-Based Voting...

... is trumped by fact-based voting, in my book.

; )

- Dave

[redqueen]

15. When the facts reveal ugly truths, that's bashing!

[CorpGovActivist]

28. Mark Penn's War Council...

... is all about the facts.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/family-guy-explains-the-death-star-flaw-310583.php

- Dave

[hedgehog]

4. Now, now, I'm very certain that every one of those donors was

merely interested in preserving the history of the Clinton years and would never even think of expecting any consideration in return. Why, I bet those were all anonymous donations!

[hedgehog]

5. Now, now, I'm very certain that every one of those donors was

merely interested in preserving the history of the Clinton years and would never even think of expecting any consideration in return. Why, I bet those were all anonymous donations!

[CorpGovActivist]

18. From Church-Going Retirees...

... who never once ran a hedge fund into the ground.

- Dave

[progressivebydesign]

14. Oh.. the Senator Clinton-haters are out in full force here.

I used to LOVE DU.. having been here since the beginning many years ago. Now it's become a cesspool of stealth freepers, out-of-touch liberals who think they're accomplishing something by tearing apart democratic candidates, and Karl Rove's minions.

Does anyone remember a happy time at DU when we used to trash Republicans???? This is the worst primary season on DU yet.. .the ugliest and the meanest.

[CorpGovActivist]

16. I Was Leaning toward Senator Clinton...

... until just a few weeks ago.

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

21. My candidate isn't running, but sloppy seconds is just fine whomever they are.

[CorpGovActivist]

22. I Think I Just Heard John L. Lewis Scream in Agony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L_Lewis

http://www.leefendallhouse.org/about_residents_lewis.html

"I have pleaded (labor's) case, not in the quavering tones of a feeble mendicant asking alms, but in the thundering voice of the captain of a mighty host, demanding the rights to which free men are entitled."

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

24. He screams every time a Repuke hurts a Union, not my political leanings

[CorpGovActivist]

25. "Solidarity Comes after the Primary"

A very wise man once told me that.

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

26. I have to get up at 6 for work, goodnight

:boring:


I just don't have the energy for this tonight (or any other night, for that matter).


I would rather have spent my time playing Guild Wars.

[CorpGovActivist]

27. Night...

... and all best wishes.

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

31. I hope more than anything that holds true

Good morning, off to work in a bit.:hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

35. Morning, and It Will!

BTW, the UMWA miners used to go down to whichever automaker's local dealer was facing a UAW strike, spend time test driving, etc. - and then tell the sales rep that as much as they liked the vehicle, they didn't buy across picket lines.

The dealers in West Virginia and other UMWA-heavy areas used to scream bloody murder to the automaker's HQ.

- Dave

[DainBramaged]

19. Me too, hear hear

I'm tired of logging in here and seeing hate for Dems. Fucking Bush and his cronies DESTROYED the middle class, the environment, and the Constitution and some people here want that to continue with Fucking Rudi or Huckabee?

And the assault on women's rights, what the fuck is going on here???

Wake UP America, it isn't worth another 8 years of Repuke rule.

[CorpGovActivist]

41. It's OK for Different Unions/Primary Voters at Large...

... to argue vociferously in the primary stage:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-10-08-3865972823_x.htm

- Dave

[JackORoses]

42. You are seriously deluding yourself if you think those who dislike Hill are either FRs or Super-libs

We are Democrats,
Who voted for Gore and Kerry.

We just have alot of trouble voting for someone we don't trust.

DU is a good representation of the opinion of politically active Democrats.

At some point you must accept that most of us here and abroad would rather not vote Clinton in '08.

[CorpGovActivist]

46. I Voted for Gore in 2000 GE, and Kerry in the 2004 GE...

... and was inclined to support Senator Clinton in the primary this go-around until a few weeks ago.

- Dave

[Elidor]

49. When did you stop believing in transparency?

Can you come up with a compelling reason why this information should be secret? No, I didn't think so. "Oh, they're publishing donor names! Let me clutch my pearls!"

[CorpGovActivist]

50. But Who Will Save the Diamonds? (n/t)

[creeksneakers2]

63. Sure

Lots of big donors are businessmen who fear losing business if they are associated with the Clintons. Foreign nationals also donated but wanted their names kept out. Some people don't like to be thanked for donations because for every one the public learns about they'll be asked for 1000 more. I give $25 occasionally to the DNC or a candidate and now I get mail daily from groups I've never given to that ask for contributions. That wastes the money of outfits I like. I wish whoever I gave to kept my name secret.

What is the big deal? This is money for a library, not bribes to go in the Clintons' pockets. Its money for a good cause. What's wrong with that? If Karl Rove donated a million bucks to the library I'd think that was fantastic and I'd give credit to Karl Rove.

Would the Clintons steal to get money for the library? What would they get out of that? Would they make some kind of corrupt deal to finance a library that was going to be built eventually no matter what?

The Clintons are inspected microscopically and endlessly. Its disgusting. No wrongdoing is ever found. Some people just can't accept the fact that the Clintons are honest.

[CorpGovActivist]

65. What if a Donor Was a Pardon Recipient? (n/t)

[creeksneakers2]

69. That would be OK unless there is a quid pro quo

Pardons aren't sold for donations to libraries though. They are sold for hard cash or campaign donations.

[CorpGovActivist]

70. If You're Marc Rich...

... you might think there's a pretty big pro to the quid of a pardon.

- Dave

[creeksneakers2]

71. That was investigated and debunked

Lots of reasons to pardon Rich. Money wasn't one of them.

[CorpGovActivist]

72. How Close to York, PA Are You? And...

... where can I find the article debunking the idea that Marc Rich and/or one of his surrogates gave to the foundation?

- Dave

[creeksneakers2]

73. I'm in Harrisburg

I don't think Marc Rich gave anything. I think his ex-wife did and much was made of that. What was given did not influence the pardon though, or at least was not the only possible reason for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

Clinton explained his decision by noting that similar situations were settled in civil, not criminal court, and cited clemency pleas from Israeli government officials, including Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Federal Prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate. She stepped down before the investigation was finished and was replaced by James Comey. Though Comey was critical of Clinton's pardons, he could not find any grounds on which to indict him.

During hearings after Rich's pardon, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who had represented Rich from 1985 until the spring of 2000, denied that Rich had violated the tax laws but criticized him for trading with Iran at a time when that country was holding U.S. hostages <3>. In his letter to the New York Times, Bill Clinton explained why he pardoned Rich, noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center concluded that no crime was committed, and that the companies' tax reporting position was reasonable <4>. In the same letter Clinton listed Libby as one of three "distinguished Republican lawyers" who supported Rich's pardon. His pardon was curiously supported also by the king of Spain, Juan Carlos I.

[CorpGovActivist]

74. Did Clinton Require Rich to Agree to Toll the Civil Statutes of Limitations?

Did you find anything indicating whether part of the deal required Rich to face potential plaintiffs when he came back to the U.S., with the lawsuit clock rewinded to zero?

- Dave

P.S. I get up your way quite a bit. Your state had a "pay for play" scandal around Y2K. Remember the Knolls?

[creeksneakers2]

75. Presidents can't grant civil pardons

And all the tax money that was in question in Rich's case was paid in full by his corporation. Anyway, even if presidents could grant civil pardons, there still was no deal with Rich.

[CorpGovActivist]

76. "was paid in full by his corporation"

... which is to say, that it was paid for by the owners, using OPM - Other People's Money.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

78. Remember the Knolls in PA?

http://www.google.com/search?q=catherine+mina+baker+knoll+treasurer+pennsylvania+pay+play+%22state+street%22&complete=1&hl=en&filter=0

http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=catherine+baker+knoll+endorses+hillary+clinton

- Dave

[mmonk]

67. Know your candidates.

Should one fact check or call people names?

[CorpGovActivist]

68. Primaries Should Be a Crucible...

... and the candidate who emerges should be able to withstand the slings and arrows of the GOP.

The donor lists issue is top-shelf material that the GOP is waiting to use. Dems should lance that boil and rob the GOP of the issue.

- Dave

[Ilsa]

17. And the clones all say: Nothing to see here... move along...

[CorpGovActivist]

20. LOL...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://theforce.net/swtc/insignia/stormtrooper.html&h=480&w=856&sz=78&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=Xf5LbPUjoZhDKM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=145&prev=

- Dave

[Ilsa]

34. That's the one! Thanks! (and move along, move along) nt

[CorpGovActivist]

39. Mark "Motti" Penn

MOTTI: Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a
useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. This
station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use
it!

http://www.blueharvest.net/scoops/anh-script.shtml

:rofl:

- Dave

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. so are you referring to that non-profit organization?

Through the William J. Clinton Foundation, President Clinton promotes the values of fairness and opportunity for all. His vision is the Foundation's mission: to strengthen the capacity of people in the United States and throughout the world to meet the challenges of global interdependence. Together with the generosity of citizens and volunteers, President Clinton and the Foundation are vigorously working to advance those principles that move us beyond differences to a common future of shared responsibility, shared benefits, and shared values.

World AIDS Day 2007
In commemoration of World AIDS Day on December 1, the Clinton Foundation is remembering not only those who have died of AIDS, but also celebrating the strength of the 33.2 million people who are currently living with HIV worldwide. >>


This is what you are referrring to? That non-profit organization that is helping millions of people worldwide?

What is your issue again? That people from all walks of life support it? How does the Bill Clinton non-profit orgainzation have anything to do with Hillary Clinton's run for president?

[CorpGovActivist]

54. Republican State Treasurer Gives Contract to Firm...

... after the firm's CEO donated an 8 figure donation to the Treasurer's husband's or wife's charity.

Spouse and other key officers vote selves raise, take charity-funded trips.

- Dave

[Evergreen Emerald]

55. I hear that they made a killing in whitewater

and they killed Vince Foster (clinton had an affair with him, of course you knew that).

[CorpGovActivist]

56. So, If a Republican State Treasurer Gave a Contract to a Pension Fund Firm...

... after said firm made a 7-figure or 8-figure donation to the Treasurer's spouse's charity, you don't think the state and municipal employees should raise questions about that?

- Dave

[Evergreen Emerald]

57. What exactly does this have to do with the Clinton non-profit organization?

Are you Dick Morris?

[CorpGovActivist]

58. The Principle Is the Same...

... whether it's a Democrat or a Republican.

BTW, this practice - known as "pay for play" - has snared state and municipal treasurers, auditors, controllers, and comptrollers on both sides of the aisle, and has included this exact "surrogate giving" practice. Some of these officials were Dems; some were Republicans.

I'm an American who cares enough about the next election to do - and share - my homework before I cast my vote.

- Dave

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. But you are taking a perfectly legitimate and frankly honorable

endeavor and attempting to make something illegal out of it--when there is nothing illegal there. Do you homework, certainly. Vote your conscious.

But, every single candidate has the potential for illegal improper behavior. The Clintons have been vetted since 1990--and nothing illegal was found (until he lied about the blow job).

So go ahead and spread innuendo and false connections to nothing just like Ken Starr did.

[CorpGovActivist]

60. So You Think Public Employees Whose Pensions Are Sold out...

... by the state or municipal Treasurer should avoid asking those questions and demanding answers?

When the donor lists become public, is there any single name on it that could cause you to reconsider?

- Dave

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. A public employee's pension has nothing to do with a non-proift

organization that Bill Clinton heads.

Name on the list of donors that would cause me concern? Hmmm....if Bill Clinton got the devil to donate to his global initatives, I say--good for him!

[CorpGovActivist]

62. The 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001 Filings...

... when he was still in office ...

... before he'd taken on his new role ...

Those wouldn't concern you from a quid pro quo standpoint?

- Dave