If Joe Biden started to move to impeach bush/cheney would you support him?

[rndmprsn]

in impeachment (of course), and in the presidential race?

curious...

(a reel of biden saying he would move to impeach bush if he attacked iran without congressional support was just on hardball, this just got me thinking)

[tularetom]

1. Yes (impeachment) and very likely (presidential candidacy)

[gateley]

2. It's been repeatedly brought up that Biden, as a Senator, CAN'T pursue impeachment

but I interpret his statements to mean he would very STRONGLY present his case to the House. He said he would use his position of Chairman of the SFRC to pursue it.

I'm pleased he's even MENTIONING it - other than Dennis, is anyone else, or is it still "on the table?"

EDIT to add I just listened to a Naomi Wolf interview and she feels impeachment isn't 'enough' - that the perpetrators need to be tried as criminals. Can we do both? I don't want Bush to be impeached they fly off to the new family estate in Paraguay (if that's true) and live happily ever after as the other Nazis did...

[Tom Joad]

14. no, a senator could call for impeachment investigation, like any citizen.

but that Joe Biden would is a total joke.
If bush were investigated for lying to the u.s. people, his enablers in congress... including people like Biden, sure would look bad.
That is bush's ace in the hole... if i go, he says, i will take you with me.

[Snotcicles]

3. I support him now. Just not for president of the USA. nt

[peacetalksforall]

4. No. He voted for the invasion of Iraq, funding it, Patriot Act, bankruptcy bill.

And more.

[Froward69]

7. no lower class.

invasion of Iraq = so did hillary both agree they were duped by W.

funding it = ensuring our troops have the armor and vehicles to keep them safe IS Supporting the troops. Joe Biden was there for funding Vietnam and the debacle of cutting off funds.

Patriot Act = YOU would have voted for it at the time High emotions and no time to read it before its vote. bush put that one past faster than anyone could denounce it. Kucinich couldn't have read it as he says as he got a copy the day before the vote. it was 500 pages long.

bankruptcy bill.= As a self employed small Business owner. I appreciate that in the eyes of the law i carry just as much need as CC company's. as well as I appreciate Dead beats having to pay their child support BEFORE me or the CC company.

what other Moot excuses could you come up with that you couldn't support him for? he would take the GOP to the wood-shed in the GE and you know it. hillary would loose. as kucinich and edwards. obama would make a good run but still loose.

how about bieng positive instead of bashing the best possible candidate for president.

[peacetalksforall]

9. Paul Wellstone

Iraq War 1 = voted NO
Iraq War 2 = voted NO

Were you around on DU during the lead up to Iraq War 2? Contributors to the list were tearing through the propaganda and knew their geography. Afghanistan was not Iraq. Heard the Rumsfeld comment about not wanting to fight in Afghanistan - the topography wasn't right for 'our' equipment. We saw the direction and figured it out. If we could do it - why couldn't insiders do it. We were watching and writing furiously during the lead up to their vote. We heard their statements and were outraged and they delivered death, invasion, plundering, and pillage and eventually, torture and loss of rights. I stand for no leader who voted yes. My privilege.

A group of those Dem leaders got together and decided to vote with it. We were outraged? Biden was a decision maker along with Schumer and Clinton and some others - all in cahoots with the DLC, probably - or I might phrase it - a get together of DLC hard nose Wash supposedly leaders.

I watch Biden plenty on corporate tv. DLC all the way. I've been impressed is some hearings. That's all I can say.

He is NOT a people's leader, imo.

Is 'lower class' an insult? I didn't quite get it.

[warren pease]

16. Duped by W into voting for the Iraq disaster?

How stupid do you have to be to be duped by the stupidest man to ever occupy the Oval Office? How many millions of people weren't fooled by this imbecile and marched in the streets all over the world to protest the inevitable? And poor Joe and Hillary were just so overwhelmed by the force of Bush's character and logic that they were blinded by the light? Spare me.

Funding it: Great for the arms manufacturers. The armored vehicle fairy tale is bullshit, btw, as the Marine Corps' top procurement officer all but admitted yesterday when he said the Marines didn't want any more of these hummers with a v-shaped bottom because they were so heavy they couldn't cross most bridges in Iraq and were constantly getting stuck in sand and mud.

And if little twinkle toes wants to keep his war on and put proper armor on the troops, he can damn well take it out of Blackwater's budget. For that matter, so could Biden when they're contemplating just how far to crawl up Bush's ass when he comes groveling back for more blood money.

The Patriot Act: I knew it was fascist bullshit from the first second I heard about. I wasn't conned by the rhetoric or the cutesy title or the manufactured sense of urgency. And I'm just a normally skeptical guy. I don't have Biden's vast experience. He should have smelled the same rat I did, since it was and still is living just a few blocks away from the Capitol in Al Gore's white house.

The bankruptcy bill: Another sop to the banks, financial institutions and credit card vampires. They could easily have separated out the small number of useful measures and murdered the rest in its crib. But no... where there's campaign "donors" to be serviced, you know who's going to get the good senator's attention. Particularly since his state is home to some of the largest, and some of the sleaziest, corporations in the country because of Delaware's favorable "business climate," which is just code for the corporate equivalent of "don't ask, don't tell."

Plus, he would lose to the mighty GOP Wurlitzer because he can't hold a rhetorical candle to a true fascist fist-pumper like the Saint of 9/11, who may be a criminally corrupt ghoul but manages to do as good a job of scaring the shit out of our poor panicked citizenry as Bush/Cheney ever did. You know the ones, those former heroes and rugged individualists who are now terrified that some dark-skinned man with a box cutter is going to invade their homes any day now.

Bah... You'll have to do a lot better than that sorry list of apologist garbage. I remain unconvinced of Biden's alleged decency, integrity, common sense, intelligence and ability to win.

Nice try, though.


wp

[KittyWampus]

20. just out of curiosity,do you remember the Biden-Lugar Amendment? The one Dean supported

in his run for POTUS?

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. That's a tough one. I would support the impeachment! The prez race? I just don't think I could.

Bankruptcy Bill....honestly, that makes a vote for him impossible. However, I will vote for whoever our candidate is in the general election. I hope it's not Biden or Hillary..... Mr. Corporation and Ms. Warmonger. No Thanks.

IMCPO, Biden KNOWS they are planning to attack Iran and this is him firing a warning shot their way.

[rndmprsn]

6. kick...

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. Definitely

[KharmaTrain]

10. If That's Your Criteria For Selecting A Candidate

Stay Home...don't waste your vote or our time.

I'm interested in a leader who can handle the massive messes that this regime will leave behind. It's not a job for an ideologue but someone who can butt heads or cajole to get our troops out of Iraq, fix a destroyed economy, restore international relations, pass the education and health care bills and try to restore some sanity to this country. Impeachment doesn't fit in that list.

I'm in favor of a defacto impeachment in a Democratic Senate and House, but I hope the ultimate justice this regime gets will be handled in the courts...both domestically and internationally. As I've long said, Impeachment is too good for these crooks...I won't be satisfied until there are real criminal prosecutions.

[magellan]

11. No, welcome as it would be

IMO Biden is just too far from the kind of person who deserves to be president.

[KittyWampus]

21. You mean a solidly liberal Democrat who is strong on foreign policy?

[Think82]

12. I am a big Biden supporter. I am glad he is using his fp credibility to stand up to Bush

[Tom Joad]

13. um.. yeah. about as likely as him coming out for full withdrawal of US troops from Iraq though.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Yes. No.

[tblue37]

17. If Joe Smith started to move to impeach bush/cheney

I would support him. I would support anyone who made that move.

[eleny]

18. He can get in line somewhere behind Dennis Kucinich

[KittyWampus]

23. well, as long as Dennis has retreated from throwing Ron Paul into the mix...

[Senator]

19. Had he done it a month ago, he'd be a frontrunner now

So you're asking a sort of chicken/egg question. Which came first, the wisdom to impeach or campaign desperation?

So for my-hypothetical-self, yes I'd support him. But I don't think many others would.

In reality, he's still Joe Biden. So this bit of "strategery" is about as close to actual leadership that he's likely to get.

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[tom_paine]

22. Yes. I already have a pretty good opinion of Biden.

And at this point, ANY Democrat with the guts to stand up and fight these Bushie Felons, and I mean not just talk about it and then surrender anyway, has my support.

[NuttyFluffers]

24. hell, i'd support Oscar the Grouch of Sesame Street for a move to impeach.

but that alone doesn't make the muppet worthy of leading my nation for the next four years. especially since there's so much real work to be done repairing what has been damaged. no, for president i have to answer to a higher standard. because for me, my people, and my nation i should expect nothing but the best for the most powerful civil servant in the land. psst... that's why the founding fathers mentioned impeachment so many times in the constitution, because it should be used repeatedly and extensively to insist on the best possible leadership we can scream for. we expect the best because we deserve the best; settling is an act of cowardice unbecoming of those who truly believe in our governmental experiment.

[librechik]

25. Joe, why don't you impeach now over Iraq? I might support you then

this offer is too little, too late and looks frankly opportunistic. If his principle is sound it certainly applies to Iraq as well as Iran, no what if about it.

[Hoof Hearted]

26. With bells on. With money. With whatever.

With a smile.