Leeland Eisenberg won't see the light of day as a free man ever again.

[liberalnurse]

This man will either die in prison or in a mental institution. Maybe he and Squeaky From can become friends. :hide:

Why? Well directly or indirectly he is now a known threat to any Presidential Candidate, placing all of them at risk today and into the future if this guy can breathe free air.

Regardless if he was not targeting Hillary Clinton, he came too close for comfort. He did hold her staff volunteers hostage and made demands to actually speak to Hillary Clinton.

Bye Bye for ever Leland.........:hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

1. Leeland is ill and should be treated, not mocked...

I feel sad for him, and glad that everyone made it out alive.:thumbsup:

[pretzel4gore]

2. if he's busheviki, then cool; but if he's insane...

insanity is real-people really do go daft. and punishing someone for insanity's just...that's just too bushevik, too born agin christian, imho....

[liberalnurse]

4. No turning back now.........

His fate has been determined....he will follow the rules of the institution until he takes his last breathe.

His escapade will only briefly shine light on the mental health services crisis. He no doubt has recieved the option of some mental health care within the community, then decline to comply with the plan of care which frequently happens due to the illness itself. This will be the comeback jargon by the repugs, he didn't use the services available to him.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Our Mental Health/Penal System Is Utterly Fucked

My sister's a psychologist, spent some time as a prison shrink. Prisons are filled with the mentally ill, and prison is the absolutely worse place for the mentally ill. In effect, over the past few decades, we've moved the mentally ill from institutions to prisons.

(And my sister's no bleeding-heart liberal - she's also worked with families in poverty, and has sometimes voiced the opinion that the children of the very poor should be taken from their parents and put up for adoption. She's tough!)

[liberalnurse]

7. Our County has a Judge who just listens

to criminal cases of the mentally ill....His docket is always full. The community mental health services are also present in Court, providing Social Workers, Psychologist and other such care givers. He works with them in effort to get them back on their meds, psych care etc.....

[MannyGoldstein]

11. That's Great!

Which Blue state do you live in?

[SpiralHawk]

5. "Free Squeaky Now" - The SLF (Squeaky Liberation Front)

[liberalnurse]

9. Do you know where Squeaky is today?

I don't....Let me do a google.

I'm back.............

She is still alive and incarcerated...Here is a Petition to *bush to let her free.

The language in this Petition demonstrates just why Leland is now an intitutional citizen from this day forward. A misunderstanding means nothing.

http://www.petitiononline.com/FLSFN/petition.html

To: The Government (President Bush)
This petition is here to urge the government to release Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme from the jail that binds her from freedom. Like most of us, Lynette was falsely accused and wrongly jailed all because of a big misunderstanding and it is time for her to be set free NOW! She was just someone trying make a statement and stand up for what she believed in but unfortunately, the law misunderstood her intentions and locked her up without giving her the chance to speak in her own defense and make some sense out of the situation. Yes, her actions were extreme but clearly justified. She just wanted to be heard and saw her actions as the only alternative. It's time to make a stand now and see that justice is truly served. She has served enough time in prison and it is time NOW to allow her to live once again in peace. The time has truly come.

Sincerely,

[H2O Man]

6. Hard to say.

At this point, there does not appear to be evidence that he has a serious and persistent mental illness that is treatment-resistant. There are some reports which, if true, indicate that he was scheduled to appear in court to answer for anti-social behaviors, and in that context, his curious manner of seeking treatment has a peculiar flavor.

[liberalnurse]

8. He crossed the line completely this time.

The Secret Service will not let him loose....Ultimately, "they will make it so".

If this was a McDonalds or WalMart....sure, he gets treatment, complies with after-care, stays on meds.....out on probation.

[H2O Man]

10. Again, hard to say.

There are, unfortunately, a number of people who have made threats against politicians. I am not aware of anything that indicates they all get life sentences.

This fellow took a specific action which will be dealt with in the justice system. Considering that it posed no direct risk to Senator Clinton, it seems unlikely that the Secret Service would play any meaningful role in how the court handles it. Certainly, if the fellow were to be released in the future, he would be subject to the attention of a variety of police agencies -- as he should be.

It isn't clear if he has any SPMI that would be well-treated with medication. Certainly it is possible that he does. A prolonged period of sobriety, which he now faces, should help to answer that question. It may be that he is someone with a personality disorder who has addiction issues and anti-social behavior. In my experience, those folks tend to act out more dramatically -- especially as court looms closer -- than those people with serious Axis 1 mental illnesses. In fact, people like the fellow yesterday give the mentally ill a bad name.

[liberalnurse]

12. It will be interesting indeed to follow.

I call it as a "take no risk decision".... I recognize the disease component but am extremely doubtful the Federal Judicial System and/or Secret Service undertone will risk his potential to actually get a bomb the next opportunity. I have attended to "Housed Forensic" clients who are visited frequently by the Secret Service during any General Election and Presidential visit to our community. Some of them only wrote threatening letters to the Executive Office. They also have other mental health issues as well which place them in a Forensic setting but...I got a picture of their intent to protect at all cost.

[H2O Man]

13. This fellow

has plenty of things which indicate a likelihood of substance abuse and anti-social personality disorder, and that yesterday's adventure was an attempt to manipulate in order to avoid a court date for abusive behavior. If that's the case, he is very different from those poor souls who are tortured with paranoid symptoms and who vent their inner demons in disturbed letters. Of course, the Secret Service has a duty to be aware of the potential threat that people in both groups could pose.

[liberalnurse]

14. There are many layers to this case now.

I doubt he can afford expensive legal counsel. Good leading court appointed attorney's are fine and may be adequate. :shrug: It all depends who is taking the lead in the prosecution, the charges filed and so on.........He will be in Jail for at least 1-2 years is my guess before Trial. The evaluations, time for medication compliance, stabilization then re-evaluation....lots of details in this one.

I'm interested in seeing just who comes to his defense, civil liberty groups, human rights groups and opportunist...This story may even just get buried too..........:shrug: OJ is top billing ya know.

[H2O Man]

15. At this point,

there is little to indicate that there will be anything complicated about his case. His past history will probably be helpful for the evaluations. Lawyers can always find a doctor who will testify to anything, and there are always people who will prescribe medication, even when there is no evidence it is needed. It may be that there is a need for medication in this case, but at this point, there is nothing that indicates it is needed.

[troubleinwinter]

16. I wouldn't count on it.

Brett Kimberlin... after six prior felony convictions, and admitting to smuggling literally tons of drugs, was convicted of setting off eight bombs (one in a school parking lot which blew a man's leg off and severely injured his wife), illegally posessed and wore DoD insignia and the Presidential Seal, illegally attempted to obtain military license plates and military driver's license while impersonating a DoD official, and called news conferences from prison during a campaign claiming to have sold drugs to VP Dan Quayle... is out of prison.

Kimberlin actually set off numerous REAL bombs, and one of his victims died as a result. He showed a peculiar interest in VP Dan Quayle. He impersonated a high gov't official.

He claims he was never given a trial, that "right-wingers" and the government put him in prison as a "political prisoner".

Is he mentally ill or just a bad criminal? I haven't a clue. But he is now out here among us.

... thirty-four counts stemming from a series of bombings in Speedway, Indiana. Counts 1 through 16... illegally possessed and manufactured firearms in connection with the bombings; Counts 17 through 22 ... maliciously caused damage by means of explosives; Counts 23 and 24 ... a convicted felon, possessed explosives; and, Count 25 ... illegally transported ammunition in interstate commerce. Counts 26 through 30... unlawfully possessed an official insignia of the Department of Defense and a Presidential seal, and Counts 31 through 34...falsely impersonated a Department of Defense official.

He served 15 years, was paroled, violated parole, served a bit more and has been out on the street among us since 2001.

Sqeaky is still in prison perhaps because she attacked a fellow inmate with a claw-hammer. She escaped prison in 1987, attempting to meet Charlie Manson. "Though she has been eligible for parole since 1985, Fromme has consistently waived her right to a hearing."

The man in NH didn't even have a real bomb. I suspect he'll do some time. Probably won't get off on insanity. Betcha he's out in three or four years.

NH crimes weren't that much different than what OJ is charged with, except real weapons were involved with OJ. If OJ is convicted, he'll likely get a long sentence, but parole after a few.

Kimberlin was sentenced to 50 years, but got out after 15. Eight bombs, a dead man, a fixation on gov't/politician.