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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:51 AM
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BREAKING: Turkish Army has entered Northern Iraq
To attack PKK Kurdish rebels.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:53 AM
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1. Oh great!
Let's have destabilization in a part of Iraq that was relatively stable!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:58 AM
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2. Mr Barzani leader of Kurds Turkish objective was not the PKK but Iraqi Kurdistan
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 09:58 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick10292007.html

Barzani Defies Turkish Invasion Plans
The High Stakes in Iraqi Kurdistan
By PATRICK COCKBURN

Iraqi Kurdistan

Masoud Barzani, the leader of the Kurds of northern Iraq, expressed defiance yesterday in the face of a threatened invasion by 100,00 Turkish troops, and was scornful of Turkey's claim that it wants only to pursue Turkish-Kurd rebels.
"We are not a threat to Turkey and I do not accept the language of threatening and blackmailing from the government of Turkey," he said from his mountain fortress of Salahudin 10 miles north of Arbil. "If they invade there will be war."

....

He was in no mood to buckle under Turkish pressure to take military action against the guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) who have their hideouts in the mountain ranges along Iraqi Kurdistan's borders with Iran and Turkey. "My main mission would be not to allow a Kurdish-Kurdish fight to happen within the Kurdish liberation movement," he declared.

Mr Barzani said Turkey's attempt to solve its Kurdish problem by military means alone had not worked in the past 23 years and would not work now. It was in 1984 that the PKK took up arms, seeking independence or autonomy from theTurkish state that refused to admit that it had a Kurdish minority of 15 million.

Mr Barzani also said that he was increasingly convinced that the Turkish objective was not the PKK but Iraqi Kurdistan, which has achieved near-independence since 2003. He said he was convinced Turkey's claim that its target was the PKK "is only an excuse and the target is the Kurdistan region itself". When the KRG put its peshmerga (soldiers) on the border with Turkey to control the areas where the PKK has sought refuge, Turkish artillery had shelled them, he said.
Mr Barzani appears to believe there is no concession he could offer to Turkey which would defuse the crisis because he himself and the KRG are the true target of Ankara.

Turkish military action might be largely symbolic with ground troops not advancing very far, but even this would have a serious impact on the economy of the KRG. The Iraqi Kurds would also be badly hurt if Turkey closed the Habur Bridge, the crossing point near Zakho through which passes much of Kurdistan's trade. Some 825,000 trucks crossed the bridge in both directions last year. Asked what the impact of the closure of Habur Bridge would be on Iraqi Kurdistan, Mr Barzani said determinedly: "We would not starve."

....

For the moment, the villagers are staying put. Many of them in this area are Syriac Christians whose parents or grandparents emigrated to Baghdad but had returned recently because of fear of sectarian killing in the capital. Omar Mai, the local head of Mr Barzani's Kurdistan Democratic Party in Kani Masi, said that seven villages in the area had recently been shelled.

He said that there were no PKK in the villages and that they stayed permanently in the high mountains. Another reason for the PKK guerrillas making themselves scarce in this area is that there are Turkish outposts and garrisons already inside Iraq, set up during previous incursions. At one point near the village of Begova the snouts of Turkish tanks point menacingly down the road.

....

http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=450886&lng=1

Turkey has staged a show of strength as it prepares for military strikes on northern Iraq. The display of military might on the country's national day comes as diplomatic efforts continue to avert a cross-border operation against Kurdish rebels. Turkish nationalist fervour has been rising since the deaths of 12 soldiers in recent fighting with the PKK group along the border. The Turkish leadership is coming under increasing domestic pressure to take action against the Kurdish militants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h-5Fz1H6c8



http://www.slate.com/id/2176842 /

Divide and Conquer
The United States should be squeezing Turkey, not the other way around.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Oct. 29, 2007, at 11:36 AM ET

Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan and Iraqi President Jalal Talabani
In the past century, the principal victims of genocide or attempted genocide have been, or at least have prominently included, the Armenians, the Jews, and the Kurds. During most of the month of October, events and politicians both conspired to set these three peoples at one another's throats. What is there to be learned from this fiasco for humanity?

To recapitulate: At the very suggestion that the U.S. House of Representatives might finally pass a long-proposed resolution recognizing the 1915 massacres in Armenia as a planned act of "race murder" (that was U.S. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau's term for it at a time when the word genocide had not yet been coined), the Turkish authorities redoubled their threat to invade the autonomous Kurdish-run provinces of northern Iraq. And many American Jews found themselves divided between their sympathy for the oppressed and the slaughtered and their commitment to the state interest of Israel, which maintains a strategic partnership with Turkey, and in particular with Turkey's highly politicized armed forces.

To illuminate this depressing picture, one might begin by offering a few distinctions. In 1991, in northern Iraq, where you could still see and smell the gassed and poisoned towns and villages of Kurdistan, I heard Jalal Talabani of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan say that Kurds ought to apologize to the Armenians for the role they had played as enforcers for the Ottomans during the time of the genocide. Talabani, who has often repeated that statement, is now president of Iraq. (I would regard his unforced statement as evidence in itself, by the way, in that proud peoples do not generally offer to apologize for revolting crimes that they did not, in fact, commit.) So, of course, it was upon him, both as an Iraqi and as a Kurd, that Turkish guns and missiles were trained last month


http://voanews.com/english/2007-10-29-voa15.cfm

Turkish attack helicopters fired at Kurdish rebel positions in southeast Turkey Monday.

The fighting came after state media reported that troops surrounded about 100 Kurdish rebels in a mountainous region near the border with Iraq.

The official Anatolia news agency said Turkish forces trapped the rebels in the province of Hakkari by blocking their escape routes to bases in northern Iraq.

Turkey's foreign minister says all options remain open in the fight against Kurdish rebels and terrorists based in northern Iraq.

In an interview with the BBC, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari warned about "disastrous consequences" if Turkey launches an incursion into northern Iraq to pursue the rebels with the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK.

At least two Turkish soldiers were reported killed Monday, including one by a land mine believed to have been planted by rebels in the eastern province of Tunceli, far north of the Iraqi border.


Turkey: U.S. Won't Stop Iraq Invasion
Posted by tekisui on Thu Oct-25-07 06:33 PM

Turkey rejected US calls of restraint. They declined the US offer to take on the bombing campaign. Turkey says the US owes them support in this incursion due to Turkey's support during the Afghanistan invasion.


"Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Thursday that U.S. objections would not stop Turkey from crossing into Iraq to eliminate Kurdish rebels. The Turkish military said it had killed more than 30 insurgents who were poised to launch an attack on the border.

"President Abdullah Gul said Turkey is running out of patience with the Kurdish separatist attacks. A steady stream of U.S.-made Turkish fighter jets roared into the skies near the Iraqi border, loaded with bombs.

The Turkish military said it had spotted a "group of terrorists" near a military outpost in the province of Semdinli close to the border with Iraq on Tuesday and fired on them with tanks, artillery and other heavy weaponry. It said the group had been preparing for an attack.

"In a statement posted on its Web site, the military said the troops kept firing on the group as they escaped toward the Iraqi territory. The report increased the official number of alleged rebels killed since Sunday to at least 64.

"The Bush administration is urging Turkey not to launch an incursion that would destabilize Iraq's autonomous Kurdish north, the country's most stable region. But Erdogan said the U.S. desire to protect the north would not hinder Turkey's fight against the rebels from the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, who use mountain bases to rest, train and get supplies in relative safety before returning to Turkey to carry out attacks against government forces in the heavily Kurdish southeast.

"They (the Bush administration) might wish that we do not carry out a cross-border offensive, but we make the decision on what we have to do," Erdogan said during a visit to Romania. "We have taken necessary steps in this struggle so far, and now we are forced to take this step and we will take it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/25/iraq/main3408593.shtml?source=mostpop_story
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:02 AM
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3. Turkey bombs suspected Kurdish rebels
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2124475



I think we should be aware - cause it sure seems to be MIA on
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2355978



Turkey bombs suspected Kurdish rebels

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3023126#3023126
3023126, Turkey bombs suspected Kurdish rebels
Posted by shain from kane on Wed Oct-10-07 01:27 PM

Source: Associated Press


By SELCAN HACAOGLU
Associated Press Writer


SIRNAK, Turkey --Turkish warplanes bombed positions of suspected Kurdish rebels Wednesday, and the prime minister said preparations for parliamentary approval of a military mission against separatist fighters in Iraq were under way.

A cross-border operation could hurt Turkey's relationship with the United States, which opposes Turkish intervention in northern Iraq, a region that has escaped the violence afflicting much of the rest of the country.
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Turkey and the United States are NATO allies, but ties have also been tense over a U.S. congressional bill that would label the mass killings of Armenians by Turks around the time of World War I as genocide. President Bush strongly urged Congress to reject the bill, saying it would do "great harm" to U.S.-Turkish relations.
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Turkish troops blocked rebel escape routes into Iraq while F-16 and F-14 warplanes and Cobra helicopters dropped bombs on possible hideouts, Dogan news agency reported. The military had dispatched tanks to the region to support the operation against the rebel Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, in response to more than a week of deadly attacks in southeastern Turkey.



Read more: http://www.bnd.com/283/story/149436.html





Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344





Turkish PM clears way for Iraq assault
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2010021&mesg_id=2010021




Ruffling feathers - will Turkey invade northern Iraq?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1608046

Turkey sent 350 special ops forces south into Kurdistan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1544571

This is so pissing me off -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1547409

Turkish Commandos Inside Iraq?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1529843

Novak: Bush considering secret military action in Turkey
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1474571
This is my fourth and last time
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429288

It is really a little too quiet up north right now -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1472171

Please- watch the north in Iraq - this is going to blow shortly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429138

Turkish PM threatens to invade northern Iraq - 250,000 men in the region
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1393490

Turkish security services in possession of videotapes of weapon deliveries by US military to PKK
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1327965



RE: The US/Turkey/Kurdistan issue. Seymour Hersh from 2004: Plan B....
Posted by seemslikeadream on Thu Oct-25-07 08:26 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2024996

....

In a series of interviews in Europe, the Middle East, and the United States, officials told me that by the end of last year Israel had concluded that the Bush Administration would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq, and that Israel needed other options. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government decided, I was told, to minimize the damage that the war was causing to Israel’s strategic position by expanding its long-standing relationship with Iraq’s Kurds and establishing a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan. Several officials depicted Sharon’s decision, which involves a heavy financial commitment, as a potentially reckless move that could create even more chaos and violence as the insurgency in Iraq continues to grow.

Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports.

....

The Israeli decision to seek a bigger foothold in Kurdistan—characterized by the former Israeli intelligence officer as “Plan B”—has also raised tensions between Israel and Turkey. It has provoked bitter statements from Turkish politicians and, in a major regional shift, a new alliance among Iran, Syria, and Turkey, all of which have significant Kurdish minorities. In early June, Intel Brief, a privately circulated intelligence newsletter produced by Vincent Cannistraro, a retired C.I.A. counterterrorism chief, and Philip Giraldi, who served as the C.I.A.’s deputy chief of base in Istanbul in the late nineteen-eighties, said:

Turkish sources confidentially report that the Turks are increasingly concerned by the expanding Israeli presence in Kurdistan and alleged encouragement of Kurdish ambitions to create an independent state. . . . The Turks note that the large Israeli intelligence operations in Northern Iraq incorporate anti-Syrian and anti-Iranian activity, including support to Iranian and Syrian Kurds who are in opposition to their respective governments.


hadn't realized Blackwater has been accused of selling weapons to the PKK
Posted by seemslikeadream on Thu Oct-25-07 08:36 AM



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2045005

Feds probe whether Blackwater smuggled weapons into Iraq

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal prosecutors are investigating whether employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA illegally smuggled weapons into Iraq that may have been sold on the black market and ended up in the hands of a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, officials said Friday.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Raleigh, North Carolina, is handling the investigation with help from Pentagon and State Department auditors, who have concluded there is enough evidence to file charges, the officials told The Associated Press. snip

According to officials in Washington, the investigation grew from internal Pentagon and State Department inquiries into U.S. weapons that had gone missing in Iraq.

It gained steam after Turkish authorities protested to the U.S. in July that they had seized American arms from the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, rebels.

The Turks provided serial numbers of the weapons to U.S. investigators, said a Turkish official.

The Pentagon said in late July it was looking into the Turkish complaints and a U.S. official said FBI agents had traveled to Turkey in recent months to look into cases of missing U.S. weapons in Iraq.

Investigators are determining whether the alleged Blackwater weapons match those taken from the PKK.

It was not clear if Blackwater employees suspected of selling to the black market knew the weapons they allegedly sold to middlemen might wind up with the PKK. If they did, possible charges against them could be more serious than theft or illegal weapons sales, officials said.

The PKK, which is fighting for an independent Kurdistan, is banned in Turkey, which has a restive Kurdish population and is considered a "foreign terrorist organization" by the State Department. That designation bars U.S. citizens or those in U.S. jurisdictions from supporting the group in any way.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:04 AM
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4. Turkish Armed Forces given full reign over invasion of northern Iraq
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/7794924.asp?gid=74&sz=31497

PM Erdoğan said on Friday that he has given full authority to the Turkish Armed Forces to conduct a cross-border operation in northern Iraq. This authorisation means that the Turkish Armed Forces has the legal right to organise a cross-border military operation without further consultation with the government.


Gül gives consent

The government waited for President Gül’s return from Paris to present him the directive. Gül signed it on November 28th and sent it to the General Staff.


Prime Minister Erdoğan responded to the question, “Is the process going to continue like this, or is the official communication going to be put to use?”, by stating, “As you know, we got the communication from Parliament on 17th October. On 24th, I wrote to the General Staff about their demands, who replied on 1st November. We then took our own decision with the Council of Ministers on 28th November. The authority has since, with the President’s consent, been given to the Turkish Armed Forces.”
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:06 AM
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5. Hmmm, and the US didn't even have to provoke them by passing the Armenian genocide bill
Funny how that worked out...
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:06 AM
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6. This can't end well
U.S. State Department? Hello? NATO ally invading our colony. Who could have forseen?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:07 AM
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7. I hope everyone is buckled in 'cause this is gonna be some kind of a rough ride
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:12 AM
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8. THE US HAS AGREED TO SHARE INTELLIGENCE WITH TURKEY TROOPS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7121396.stm

Turkey cabinet backs Iraq attack

The US has agreed to share intelligence with Turkish troops
Turkey's cabinet has voted to allow the army to enter Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish rebels, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced.
He gave no indication as to whether the decision meant that a military operation was now imminent.

Mr Erdogan says Turkey needs to be able to respond to a recent rise in bomb attacks blamed on PKK rebels from Iraq.

In October, the Turkish parliament voted overwhelmingly to allow military operations to go ahead.

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:17 AM
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10. and then the road gets rockier
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:20 AM
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12. I thought we were getting Peace in the ME?
What happened in Annapolis?

IMO, the members of the 40 nations sat around under false *peace* pretenses and finalized war plans.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:21 AM
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13. sat around under false *peace* pretenses and finalized war plans.
That was just enough time for a photo
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:32 AM
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17. the filling is in the pie
how many day hence, sure looks suspicious to me
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 12:34 PM
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23. what a complete clusterfuck
How much more idiotic can the Bush policy be on the Middle East?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:16 AM
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9. Ex-Leader: Rebel Kurds Have Left Iraq

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgHlNyqkkFl1OfEaM9pFNeolkWDAD8T829F00

Ex-Leader: Rebel Kurds Have Left Iraq
By YAHYA BARZANJI – 1 day ago

KOI-SANJAQ, Iraq (AP) — Kurdish separatists who have found haven in northern Iraq in their fight for autonomy from Turkey have returned to their homeland in the past two weeks and Iran-based rebels have taken their place, the rebel leader's brother said.

A spokesman for the Kurdish government in the self-ruled region could not confirm Osman Ocalan's claim that the members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, known by its Kurdish acronym PKK, had withdrawn, but said Thursday the government would not accept "any armed struggle to be launched from our territories against any neighboring country."

Ocalan, the younger brother of the jailed PKK founder Abdullah Ocalan, told The Associated Press that members of an Iranian-based rebel offshoot have replaced the rebels based in Turkey.

He said the rebels were leaving "to ease the burden" on the Kurdish regional government, which has been pressed on all sides — by its U.S. supporters, Iraq's central government and Turkey — to move against the separatists.

"The PKK fighters have evacuated their posts in Iraq's Qandil mountain chain, and gone to Turkish Kurdistan," Ocalan said, adding that the PKK fighters were largely replaced by fighters from the anti-Iran Free Life Iranian Kurdish Party.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:18 AM
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11. Love the US response to this, or rather our Brain Trust "Bush"
And our offer to BOMB for them!

Reminds me of Milo in "Catch 22", when he Bombed the US base as a business venture, to save the Germans MONEY :)

I agree, fasten those seatbelts, the SPIN on this Alone may kill you :)

Fucking Crazed for Mkney and Corporate Power installed Puppets we got here running America into the ditch, raping the Treasury.. Man, when I pledged an Oath upon entering the Military during Nam, it was NOT to Defend these War Criminals, we would have had to Remove them from the White Haus, as we were pledged to remove Enemies from WITHIN, as well as Without...

Wonder if they've removed that part of the Oath, just in case? Hmmmm...

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:24 AM
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14. Hijacking Catastrophe:
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:26 AM
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15. Not a surprise.
And not a surprise that Shrub has created this disaster. Is the Bush administration trying to destroy the US?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:28 AM
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16. Democracy?
YES
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:34 AM
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18. I think they are trying to destroy America entirely: economically, politically, morally
It's like the wrecking crew came in and started detonating everything in sight. How else do you explain doing something as stupid as invading Iraq.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:43 AM
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20. And what will happen when we are destroyed economically politically and morally?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 12:03 PM
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22. We'll be convinced that our only salvation is being part of the North American Union
lose sovereignty, adopt the Amero, and lose civil rights.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:39 AM
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19. No doubt the Kurds are flinging roses at their "liberators" and welcoming "democracy".
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:03 AM
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21. Turkish military fires on Kurdish rebels inside Iraq
By
AP / December 1, 2007
Istanbul, Turkey—The Turkish military said Saturday it fired on 50 to 60 Kurdish rebels inside Iraqi territory, inflicting "significant losses."

It did not say whether Turkish troops crossed into Iraq.

The military said on its Web site that the rebels were detected following intelligence work and that military operations in the region would continue if necessary.

The military statement came a day after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the government had authorized the military to launch a cross-border offensive against Kurdish rebels based in northern Iraq at any time.

"There was an intensified operation against the mentioned terrorists using fire support vehicles," the statement said. "The terrorist group suffered significant losses as a result of the operation," it added.

"If necessary, there will be other operations in the region using other means."
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 12:35 PM
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24. nvm
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 12:48 PM by Flabbergasted
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:24 PM
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25. The enemy of my ally is my ... um, my puppet ally?
Yesterday's "bulwark of democracy" is today's bombing coordinates.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:30 PM
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26. Research the PKK.
The Bussholini Regime will not protect them & fight the Turks.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:45 PM
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27. That would violate the Opportunists' Code Of Conduct, so no, they won't. nt
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