**** OFFICIAL HEARTLAND PRESIDENTIAL FORUM THREAD 1 C-SPAN 1 NOW ****

[helderheid]

On C-Span NOW:

http://www.movementvisionlab.org/blog/the-heartland-presidential-forum

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[helderheid]

1. opening prayer

[helderheid]

2. 33 days 'till the Iowa Caucuses!

[patrice]

3. Thanks! Solidarity ALL!! nt

[Breeze54]

4. Is this a debate by the Dems?

:shrug:

[helderheid]

7. I believe so!

[MadBadger]

5. Who is this guy speaking?

Shat on politicians a little.

[MadBadger]

6. How will this all work?

[Catchawave]

8. Should last 3 hours.....

People drove 12 hours to get there....this should be a fun afternoon!

[helderheid]

9. you can feel the excitement!

[MadBadger]

10. Jersey Rocks

Gotta post somebody to keep this up.

[helderheid]

11. I'm really surprised more DUers aren't watching this with us.

[MadBadger]

Im surprised I am myself

Big sports fan and huge college football day.

[gateley]

12. Wish I was there even though my candidate isn't. There's another big shindig

I'll benefit from this because I usually only focus on Biden these days and only really hear the others during the debates, so I'm looking forward to this.

There's another big shindig later on today, too -- the Brown and Black, so we'll definitely get our fill today. Thanks for posting this!

It's on C-Span for those who didn't know...

[helderheid]

13. They extended the invitation to all the Republican and Democratic candidates - only 1 Republican

responded and their lawyers said that wouldn't be good to only have 1 Republican so there are 5 candidates - all Democrats. They just said this isn't a debate.

[Catchawave]

16. Which Republican?

Too bad all the Dems couldn't show?

[Catchawave]

22. Cspan scroll stated no GOP accepted invite

They'd be eaten alive by this crowd :evilgrin:

[MadBadger]

14. Thats how CNN should open their debates

Hold your applause or disapproval.

[MadBadger]

15. Ummm, touchy subject

Is she black?

[MadBadger]

17. Edwards is up

[Catchawave]

18. "Tearing the Wall down" good to hear that again!

[DURHAM D]

19. It looks like the room is not full.

Did I see it wrong?

[MadBadger]

21. Midwest is getting pounded with a snow storm.

Iowa too.

[DURHAM D]

24. Thanks. n/t

[question everything]

30. Even the airport was closed this morning (nt)

[Catchawave]

20. Q: Factory farming muscling out small farmers and ranchers

[Catchawave]

25. JE's done his homework.....mentioned CAFO's

[Blackhatjack]

23. Edwards --"How long are we going to let these people run OUR DEMOCRACY?"

[Breeze54]

26. "Take that power away from them!

That's what this election is about!" ~ John Edwards ~

:applause: :applause:

[patrice]

27. Edwards just *nailed* it. Set the bar pretty high.

That's going to be hard to beat.

[MadBadger]

28. Gotta be able to prounounce each candidates name

C'mon moderator woman!

Then DK showed up late.

[Catchawave]

29. The format's wasting time....

The "stories" and "questions" are taking longer than the candidate's allotted response time.

[Pirate Smile]

33. I think part of the point of the forum was to have the candidates hear from

people about the real issues and problems they face in their communities instead of just news anchors asking questions in debates.

[Breeze54]

41. It's about time the regular people got to speak!

Instead of CNN & the M$M screening the questions!

[patrice]

55. "Wasting"?!!

Looks like you are part of the dinosaur party.

[Breeze54]

31. Woot!! Go Kucincich!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

:applause: :applause:

[Breeze54]

32. "This is still a government by and for the people! Let's take it back!"

~ Dennis Kucinich ~

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[patrice]

34. This is pretty cool. Will the Republicans do it too? nt

[MadBadger]

35. Maybe Clinton is surrounded by advisors right now.

She could probably get away with it.

[Breeze54]

36. To bad she's not there in person like the rest.

Why did they bring up the 'hostage' event yesterday? :shrug:

[Clintonista2]

37. To explain why she's not there in person

She went back to NH and couldn't make it back to Iowa on time. Pay attention please.

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[Breeze54]

43. You are very immature.

Does your Mommy know you are on DU today?

[Clintonista2]

44. That's what I thought.

Have a great day :hi:

[Breeze54]

48. How is it

an "idiotic" statement saying that it would've been good for her and everyone for her to be there in person?

You make no sense, as usual.

[journalist3072]

50. If you had a clue, you would have heard Kathy Hughes explain why Sen. Clinton couldn't be there in

person....

[Breeze54]

51. Excuse me??

Who the hell are you? Are you at my house? Do you know what I'm doing or have been doing?

My statement that it would have been good if she was there in person was offensive how?

Do you have a tight grip on reality? I think not. Get a grip.

[LWolf]

38. This is so much better than the so-called "debates"

televised during prime time.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MadBadger]

39. You get more from the candidates, however

I find these much more boring.

[LWolf]

57. I don't understand that.

The whole point of a debate is to hear the candidates respond to IMPORTANT questions and issues. With this format, the important questions and issues have been decided, not by corporate mainstream media and their talking heads, but by actual groups of Democrats. We get to hear people talk from where they really "live," rather than have the issues, and the spin, decided for us by corporate media. Then we get to hear the candidate respond with a substantive answer.

We don't have to sit through half an hour of Clinton/Obama before we get to hear the rest of them speak, or hold our bladder desperately, because we're afraid that if we leave the room for a minute or two, we will miss the only time one of the others gets to speak. We don't have to sit idly by while we get questions about UFOs and diamonds vs pearls.

I don't tune into a debate to be entertained, but to be informed.

Hopefully, we won't have to listen to any talking heads analyze what we heard and tell us what we should think about it, either. Treating debate listeners with enough respect to allow them to do their own analysis would be refreshing.

Most importantly, I don't think CSpan will run polls to see who "won." In this format, it's not about "winning," it's about informing, and being informed. The "winning" in Iowa happens at the caucuses.

[MadBadger]

45. What were they booing about?

[patrice]

47. I think some of those people thought her answer about legislation

in the first hundred days was an answer to whether she would meet with them or not in the first hundred days.

They don't understand what she said and they are booing her. That's pretty fucked up.

[patrice]

46. Now, wait a minute . . . WHAT are they booing HC for?

Her answer regarding immigration reform legislation?

She CAN'T create it by fiat! Of course Congress MUST pass it.

Why are they booing that answer? They are not being fair to her.

[journalist3072]

49. Exactly! I just thought that was all types of wrong, to boo her for that answer. She was

absolutely correct....Congress has to pass the legislation.

[patrice]

52. I'm kind of disappointed in the hosting organization.

They need to talk to their member organizations about their priorities: Political advantage? - or - Truth? Because they WILL self-destruct if the attitude that they just displayed is their norm.

[journalist3072]

56. I agree. What's more, they really need to apologize to Sen. Clinton

First of all...she could have not bothered addressing them at all. But the fact that she did it via phone shows that she cares about addressing their concerns.

And for them to treat her like that, was absolutely disgusting.

[patrice]

58. I agree. They owe her an apology or a response.

The satellite phone was a risk for her; she took it anyway because they matter.

If they don't apologize, they ought at least offer to clarify what got confused when that guy who asked about immigration reform legislation ALSO asked about a hundred days (when the 100 day question was the hostess's job) and the audience booed an answer that they quite possibly did NOT understand.

Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement should mail their membership and clarify what happened to HC and explain that she, indeed, cannot create immigration reform legislation in the first 100 days by fiat.

[TahitiNut]

60. !

[patrice]

61. Here's their email

http://www.communitychange.org/contact/

[TahitiNut]

59. Perhaps because she didn't define the kind of legislation she'd send to the Hill?

She gave a canned, non-committal answer and then ran for cover - evading the question. Yes, EVERYONE knows that Congress is in control of legislation, but EVERYBODY also knows that the President can send a bill to Congress for its approval. But God forbid that Hill be held to the same expectations that other candidates are held to, huh? (After all, she's just a girl, right?)

Here's a clue: When folks ask a policy question and get a process response, they rightfully feel dissed.

:eyes:

[journalist3072]

62. Uh, hello......she GAVE a policy respone....She said 2 times, I believe, that she was FOR creating a

path to citizenship. Now, I am supporting Sen. Clinton's candidacy. I am voting for her. But on that particular issue, I disagree.

I am not for creating a path to citizenship for people who haven't even attempted to enter this country legally.

However, she gave a policy response.

So your criticism of her, is unfair.

Moreover, PROCESS is important as well. People need to know HOW their government works as well.

[MadBadger]

53. Can anybody say crowd favorite?

[Breeze54]

54. There seems to be more than one

imho.

[malaise]

63. CSpan 1 taking calls on the forum now n/t

[davsand]

64. Some puss sack on the phone bitching about Dems going "Socialist."

Gawd. He's actually saying "if you can't afford them don't have so many kids..."

I have No Idea what rock this idiot crept out from under.


Laura

[malaise]

65. They're sure crawling out

Damn.