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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 04:49 PM
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No Statute of Limitations for War Crimes - We are still looking for Nazis to this day
Dems can't save Chimpy. And if they try they become accessories after the fact and might very well find themselves in the dock next to George some day. About a million dead Iraqi men, women and children on these thugs bloody hands so far. I will wait with baited breath to see which Dems want to roll the dice with the Crackhead In Chief and his minions on this one.

Because some day they may pay for what they have done right along with him.

Don




http://osdir.com/ml/politics.progressive.news/2005-11/msg00116.html

As George W. Bush said about international law, "I don't know what you
mean about international law." This is a lawless world which didn't begin
with George Bush, but not in my memory has there been so much obvious
incompetence. It is as-if they don't care anymore who knows what they
intend to do to keep inequity the status quo.

Thomas Jefferson purchased the Louisiana Territory from France in 1803
doubling the size of America and he called it "the Empire of Liberty."

Freedom is on the March

"The idea that theirs was an empire of liberty (for white men) enabled
Americans to ignore some unpleasant truths about westward expansion. for
one thing, the continent was not , in fact, empty. For centuries, the West
had been a meeting ground of peoples whose relationships were shaped by
conquest as much as free choice. It was also, therefore, the site of
clashing definitions of liberty. `The life my people want is a life of
freedom,' the great leader of the Lakota Sioux, Sitting Bull, would later
proclaim. The Native American idea of freedom, however, hwich centered on
preserving their cultural and political autonomy and retaining contgrol of
ancetral lands, as incompatable with that of western settlers, for whom
freedom entailed the right to expand across the continent and establish
farms, ranches, and mines on land that Indians considered their own.
Indian removal--accomplished by fraud, intimidation, and violence---was
indispensable to the triumpt of manifest destiny and the American mission
of spreading freedom." (Eric Foner, The Story of American Freedom, 1998)

No Safe Haven

"Before embarking on international travels, David Addington and others
who are said to be closely associated with the crafting of the Bush
administration's policy on the interrogation of detainees would do
well to reflect on the fate of Augusto Pinochet." * snip

He goes on to say the legal opinions of these lawyers advising the Bush
administration have been very clearly "inconsistent" with what is
stipulated and required by international law allowing an illegal much more
aggressive interrogation on detainees. Those with a connection to the Bush
administration who may have had a hand crafting torture policy would be
well advised not to travel far from the protection of the boundaries of
the United States or they could find themselves arrested, extradicted and
tried in and international or national court.

The international torture convention also establishes the mechanism for
enforcement and the U.S. and more than 140 other countries who have
adopted and joined the convention agreed to take these actions; in fact
they must, if "any person who has committed torture is found on their
territory."

"Such a person is to be investigated, and if the facts warrant, must
either be prosecuted for the crime of torture or extradited to another
country that will prosecute." (ibid)

There must be NO safe havens in the growing reach of international
criminal law. This became infinitely clear with Pinochet when he was
arrested in England. Not only are those who gave legal advise for the use
of torture at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, George W. Bush is also
subject to prosecution and at risk if he travels when he is no longer
president.

My advice to George W. Bush: Retire to Crawford and stay there.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 04:53 PM
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1. he'll have to go further than Crawford...and he knows this...hence the Paraguay land purchase...
he'll have to go down there and stay there with his Nazi buddies.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 05:15 PM
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2. I'm offended by this analogy. The nazis killed someone who looks
just like me, but I'm not hunting anybody - and I'm not taking revenge, though I accept why my father did.

* is not even responsible for his place in history - and he is certainly didn't plan the carnage we'll clean up for generations to come. The US is too damn powerful for such weak leaders but the reference to national socialism is uncalled for.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 05:51 PM
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3. uncalled for? Hardly... war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 05:53 PM by ixion
people have been tortured, our treasury has been looted, millions have been killed...Bush's grandfather supported the nazis... how far does it have to go?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:26 AM
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4. If you're blaming * for his grandfather, there's something wrong w/u
As for the current questionably legitimate regime - it's more like the soviets than the nazis, brutal but ultimately cowardly. We haven't exterminated anyone yet, so please lay off the hyperbole.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:50 AM
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7. We haven't exterminated anyone yet?
Yeah, I guess those hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis we've killed don't count. I guess all those people we've tortured in Abu Gharib and GITMO don't count. :eyes:

And I'm not blaming Bush for his grandfather, I am saying that the family has close ties to racists and fascists and have had these ties for generations.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:10 AM
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8. The family has close ties? Sorry, but that's sick.
Apparently, you don't have a valid argument. And no, we haven't targeted any nationalities for genocide.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:30 AM
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9. When you can rebut with facts rather than rhetoric and insults, let me know
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 11:34 AM by ixion
but for now, we're going to have to agree to disagree in the extreme.

You don't launder money for a group like the Nazis, or any other control-freak group, without being close to them.

As well, the neocons have drawn from the nazi playbook time and time and time again. These are simple facts. And note that I have stated this without insulting you.

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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:44 PM
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10. * laundered money or are you back on Biblical justice?
Consider that the worst insult of all, anonymous critic. We cannot agree to disagree agreeably when you resort to lies involving those closest to me.

Your insult is degrading to the memories of those who die due to no fault of their own or their kind. Afghanistan is suffering its own civil war - all we did was arm the side that had lost to the Taliban and bomb some camps. Iraq was a fiasco, but not the invasion of Poland.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:52 PM
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14. Biblical justice?
uh, when have I ever mentioned that?

I love your semantic distinctions as well. I'm sure millions of Iraqis and Afghanis would agree, if they hadn't been killed by weaponry supplied by us.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:58 PM
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17. Sins of the fathers and all that jazz. You sound just like the Bible thumpers n/t
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:49 PM
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11. Killing civilians randomly as collateral damage
Does not count as a "Extermination". Only organized destruction of civilians based on certain principles counts as "Extermination" AKA Genocide. Torturing, however, is a different matter.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 03:50 PM
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13. gee, what a lovely semantic distinction... I'm sure all those killed would agree...
if they weren't dead.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:55 PM
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15. Those killed would agree that * is no nazi. Now go solve the real problems we face
instead of inventing easy targets for hate.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:57 PM
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16. Context does matter. National socialism was more than Germans
protecting themselves and making the comparison to modern American is insulting, if not just laughable.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:07 AM
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5. Who murdered Ben Linder and Linda Frasier? Reagan and Bush war crimes?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:17 AM
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6. Look no further than right here in our government.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:50 PM
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12. Are they still searching for Prescott Bush?
Those in Congress who have continued to support this administration even indirectly by keeping impeachment "off the table" are just as complicit in the war crimes. Perhaps Hillary Clinton will appoint Madeline Albright to become Secretary of State so she can once again assure us that it is "all worth it."

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