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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:34 PM
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WOW F**king AMAZING!!!
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 10:35 PM by whereismyparty
After only, um...let's see now, not 100 hours, no. Not even after the 6 month grace period...but after...oh let's say about 11 months...the democratic controlled congress is going to...get this..."limit CIA interrogators to military-approved techniques" AND "bar waterboarding"!!!

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Lawmakers_agree_to_limit_CIA_interr_12052007.html

OMG!!! WHAT AN AMAZING ACHIEVEMENT in only, um, 11 months...and one confirmed AG Mukasey...

Still no mention of ...

habeus corpus
renditions
gitmo
illegal wars
OR
impeachment

But DAMN!!! Are they on fire or what!?!?!? :sarcasm:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:38 PM
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1. yep. dem's pants are on fire!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:40 PM
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2. Let's all bask in the glow of VICTORY!!!!! n/t
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:44 PM
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3. DC is Slow When One Party is in the Executive Branch and the other in the Legislative
Kind of why the whole system was created the way it was.

Kind of why we need the White House.


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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:06 PM
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4. I share the poster's frustration with the pace of change...
however, the unfortunate fact is that in the senate, the democratic majority is as thin as can be, and since the days of the simple majority vote are long gone, they are unable to do everything (sometimes seemingly anything) voters elected them to do. So they are in the untenable position of having their own party piss and moan about everything they aren't doing or having the opposition party paint them with the "do=nothing" brush when they are passing legislation that is not veto-proof so the megalomaniacal little fuck-wad in the WH can make the will of the people go away with the stroke of a pen. The repukes had most of the past 7 years to take us where we are now, and under these circumstances for democrats to engage in the old circular firing squad because the Dem's haven't fixed it all since the last election is like bitching about not understanding DNA replication after one biology class....pointless! :rant:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:10 PM
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6. No excuse for Mukasey confirmation.
This is just posturing and everyone knows it.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:27 PM
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7. no excuse for ANY Dems voting for telecom immunity either!
as a matter of fact, what's an excuse good enough for those Dems who are voting with the rpugs week after week?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:08 PM
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5. I guess the only thing that would be worse would be if the R's had retained control.
Let's see:

IWR retooled for Iran, Patriot Act multiplied x 10, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Card, Rove, Miers, Hughes, and so forth still part of the cabal, Hastert, Lott and even, possibly, Santorum, going strong...

OK, damnit, we're stuck with the slow mo Dems.

At least they're (too f***ing slowly) headed the right direction. MKJ
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:32 PM
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8. What a stupid idea
There is no need for legislation banning waterboarding. It is already unconstitutional.

If Congress bans waterboarding, then they have to draft separate pieces of legisation banning dog attacks, sexual humiliation, stress positions, hypothermia, thumbscrews, the rack, the Boger swing, and everything else.

So this is how the Fifth and Eighth Amendments die - appropriately enough, by yet another torture technique known as leng t'che, or "death by a thousand cuts."
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 06:41 AM
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11. Thank you.
They have admitted a technique as part of the debate. They have already lost the war. There is no limit to the imagination of man. There are no limits to the ways to torture a person.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 05:51 AM
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9. And don't forget that little S. 1959 bill
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 06:18 AM
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10. more like 1984
:(
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 06:42 AM
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12. Congress has done a lot. You just missed it.
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 06:42 AM by Perry Logan
There are countless investigations going on. Healthcare is on the table. The internet is safe for now. Our wounded vets are no longer lying around in their own urine. The Senate Ethics Committee is back in action. Many 9/11 Commission recommendations are being passed. A bill to increase financial aid for colleges has passed--the single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill. The President's signing statements are being investigated. Legislation to restore habeus corpus has been approved. The Senate Armed Services Committee has passed legislation "that would grant new rights to terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay. The unions have a voice in the government now—as do gays, women, and minorities. The environment has a fighting chance. The House passed the Taxpayer Protection Act, to protect taxpayers against "identity theft, deceptive Web sites and loan sharks." It also makes it "easier for taxpayers to retrieve property lost as a result of a wrongful Internal Revenue Service levy and directs the IRS to notify lower-income people that they qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit." The House approved a bill spending $1.7 billion over five years for cleaner water. There's a new House committee devoted solely to addressing the issue of global warming. And so on.

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any
other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner
and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous
record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a
mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the
chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000
votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison,
the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in
1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn’t on pace to break any
records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives. Approximately “1 in
6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes,” noted a JulyMcClatchy report. “If this
pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous
record number of cloture votes.”
It’s interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under
his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record
“for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II.”
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 07:02 AM
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13. no mention of Habeas or renditions or gitmo?
Simply not true. There are all kinds of bills that have failed in the Senate on Habeas, Gitmo, the war, renditions. There are even more that have passed through committee.

Ever hear of the Habeas Restoration Act?
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