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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:15 AM
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If every household in Canada replaced 1 incandescent w/ a flourscent bulb = 66,000 cars off the road
How many cars would it be if USA did that?

Lessee....10X population in US so that's 660,000 cars off the road.

One bulb.


:woohoo:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:35 AM
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1. I replaced all of mine! And well before Gore's movie came out too.
:thumbsup:

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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:42 AM
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9. Incandescent light gives you full spectrum light.
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 01:43 AM by liberaldemocrat7
Flourescent does not as I recall.

If every household in the United States replaced a GE bulb with a Sylvania or other brand of bulb and then call GE and say Get your CEO to get the GOP to stop the war or we will not buy your products anymore, we could end this war within 6 months.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:26 AM
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18. Truth be told, neither one gives "real" full-spectrum light, though incandescent is closer.
I wish they'd make some skinny-necked fluorescents so I could replace the bulbs in the living room light fixture. It won't fit regular CFLs.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:50 AM
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27. Wrong.
Compact flouros come in color ranges of 2,700k all the way to 9,000k. All flouros now come in that wide range from a nice orange glow of a 2,700k, to absolute stark white of a 9,000K.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:48 AM
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31. CFL also is full spectrum
http://www.cetsolar.com/compactfluorescent.htm

And the spectrum chart here - http://www.cetsolar.com/colortempchart.htm - shows that CFLs cover a broad range of spectrums including natural light.

We use them throughout the house. Two easy mistakes to make: buying an output wattage that's too dim (we initially purchased 60w output and were unhappy with them); buying CFLs with too high a kelvin, thinking that meant the color was warmer. It doesn't. The lower the kelvin, the warmer and more like incandescent the light.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 11:03 AM
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33. Gift-giving idea
New neighbor? Birthday? Christmas? Just because? Buy a pack of 100w CFLs with a low kelvin temp for the person. (The lower the kelvin the more like incandescent the light, and the idea is to make the switch painless so they might be persuaded to buy CFLs on their own.) If you can't afford to give the whole pack away, wrap one up as a little present and use the remainder yourself.

If every home replaced a standard light bulb with one CFL, it would
save energy equivalent to removing 1 million cars from the roads.

Put another way, replacing 4,984 standard light bulbs with CFL’s would save 1,305,800
lbs. of carbon from the atmosphere.

If Walmart changes the bulbs in ceiling fan displays in their stores to CFL’s, they will
save $6 million dollars per year in energy costs. If they sold 1 CFL to each of their
million customers, that would be 261,160,000 lbs. of carbon saved each year.


http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:i-Gu4X3_K5oJ:www.mattea.com/Book.pdf+if+everyone+in+America+used+one+cfl&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us&client=firefox-a

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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:37 AM
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2. I wish it were that easy, love...
I really do, but unfortunately, there are people who can't do flourescent.

Those of us with photosensitive epilepsy must avoid flourescent lighting as much as possible, as the flicker of flourescent bulbs (visual perception doesn't detect it, but brain does) can trigger a seizure.

Many people get headaches or migraines from flourescent lighting.

I make an earnest effort at doing my share with regards to environmental issues. But flourescent lighting causes me problems...can't do it.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:55 AM
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3. I will replace one for you.
:)
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:21 AM
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5. Cool!
Thank you! :-) :hug:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:24 AM
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6. Love that. Together, we can do it!
Global Warming is easy to beat, it just takes all of us doing what we can together.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:58 AM
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4. There are work-arounds for some of those things, no?
I'm sure you're aware that the latest fluorescent bulb lighting is not of a white color and has improved balesting.

Also, for the flicker, a cover will get rid of that.

If none of that helps you, then no doubt you do what you can which likely indludes:

- training the brain against the natural tendency to turn on a light when it's not really needed

- using the lowest wattage you possibly can

- doing all of the other GHG reduction things you can.

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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:36 AM
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8. Training the brain,
I believe, can be effective for those who have issues with headaches/migraines, but doesn't work with epilepsy (due to the nature of the condition).

My glasses are tinted, for when I go shopping/whatever, which helps. Covers don't really help (as the light shining through the cover still flickers).

However, I use fabric bags when I shop. I use "Seventh Generation" dish soap and laundry detergent, Avalon Organics shampoo and conditioner, and wash myself with castile soap (all are veggie, rather than petroleum, based).

My apartment building doesn't have recycling services so I keep recyclables separate from the trash, and every other week, I haul it over to my friend's house (when I visit), as her trash pick-up includes recycling services every other Tuesday.

The plastic bags used for purchasing veggies at the market--when the veggies are gone, I save the bags for use when scooping the cat box.

Among other things... :bounce:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:05 AM
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22. Have you tried LED bulbs?
I haven't tried them myself yet, but plan to soon. Word is they're as efficient as fluorescents and last forever. Expensive (for now), but they don't burn out either. Anyhow, just a suggestion.
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:42 AM
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10. Say, did you know...
...that a major source of greenhouse gasses is....

TERMITE FARTS!

:rofl:

It's true!

I told my friend not to let the Republicans know this fact...otherwise, they might call for mass extermination of TERMITES as a means of reducing greenhouse gasses!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:43 AM
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11. WTF?
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 01:45 AM by Harper_is_Bush
:wtf:

Do you understant that humans are THE cause of our current global warming?
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:49 AM
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14. Yeah, termite farts!
Termites eat wood, but can't digest the cellulose (?)...the fiber. As happens with cows and humans, this indigestion results in intestinal gas, resulting in farting.

Just like there are millions of people who could change one bulb, resulting in tens of thousands of barrels of oil being saved (and significant reduction of greenhouse gas production), there are lots and lots of termites on the planet, doing lots and lots of farting...!
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:51 AM
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15. Yes, I do understand...
...that Humans are THE cause of the current problem. You get absolutely no argument from me on that.

That's why I was (joking?) to my friend about not telling the Republicans about the termites...because then they would get the propaganda machine going and blame all the climate change on the termites!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:25 AM
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7. keep your incandescents if you must. What else can you do??
? :)

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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:32 AM
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28. Well, he's asking for a 1 bulb per house average
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 10:33 AM by DarkTirade
and we've replaced at least six or seven in my apartment... so I gotcha covered. :)
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:53 AM
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32. that is no longer true to a great extent
electronic ballasts have eliminated the 60 hertz cycles of old style fluorescent lighting.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:44 AM
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12. K&R.nt
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:47 AM
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13. Winning the Oil Endgame by Amory Lovins
is available online now

www.oilendgame.com

and Plan B 2.0 is too at

http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB2/Contents.htm ('Learning from China' is a good place to start btw)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:33 AM
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34. ...On the other hand...Is It Good that Big Businesses Are Going Green?
Is it goog big businesses are going green ?
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/48093/
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:04 AM
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16. I'm up to six so far
Not only will they reduce emissions but they'll save a bundle of electricity and $.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:07 AM
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17. I have none left. Once the truth of the problem presented they were all replaced, old ones tossed..
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:37 AM
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30. Yeah, my power bills have been down lately too.
Although I'm not sure how much of that is because it's wintertime so we're not running the AC all the time... :)
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:31 AM
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19. kr.eom
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:38 AM
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20. Light bulbs are INSANE
Just the fact that my lil' macbook, listening to music talking to people all over the world uses the same amount of energy than my 60 watt lightbulb!!!!

At the same time we shouldn't forget that cars are 10,000-20,000 watt energy consumers.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:37 AM
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35. Delete.
Edited on Tue Feb-20-07 11:38 AM by roamer65
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:38 AM
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21. Source? Evidence?
It would be nice it were it were true, but ... source and evidence please.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:07 AM
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23. Canadians you say?
Your post gives me an idea. We should focus on getting Canadians to be energy efficient. They're more likely to give a damn and actually do it.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 07:49 AM
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24. How many cars are thee in the US?
Replacing one light bulb is not nearly enough to resolve the problems of pollution and energy use.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:09 AM
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25. I bought CFL's to replace my incandescent bulbs, but...
...I'm still wondering how I'm going to safely dispose of them whenever they burn out. It seems that CFL recycling centers are as rare as panda porn. I'd really rather not put more mercury into landfills, so what do I do when a CFL burns out -- just toss it in a box in a closet and pretend it's not there?

Not arguing against CFL's at all...but I think there should be some regulation requiring retailers who sell CFL's to also collect used ones to be recycled. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Does anyone know of any online resources that direct consumers to places that recycle CFLs?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:44 AM
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26. I've replaced about 50
I wonder how many cars (or fractions thereof) that is?
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:35 AM
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29. So far the only incandescant lights left in my apartment are
the ones in the bathroom (can't find flourescants that fit there, but the light in the closet in the bathroom has been replaces so I'll use that whenever I'm doing anything that doesn't require me to have bright light in the room) and the one on my lizard's terrarium (which A) isn't being used because she died a few months ago, and B) needed to be incandescant because it's there for heating purposes more than lighting purposes.)
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:39 AM
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36. Only incandescent left for me are the dining room lamp...
that takes those oddball small elongated bulbs. They are expensive in CF if you can find them. Nice thing about the CF's is that they last a long time. I replaced nearly a year ago and not one has burned out yet.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:45 AM
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37. I would add that by replacing we are lessening the need for new coal fired...
generation plants. A lot less CO2, soot and mercury in the air and environment. Cars are even cleaner than coal fired plants.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 11:49 AM
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38. I've replaced several with CFLs
I'm not real sure I'm happy with the light, but I'll get used to it. I had no idea about the "kelvin" thing.

Bake
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