What is the Mormon underwear issue?

[Cyrano]

I thought I was up to date on most of this year's mud slinging. I'm sorry to sound dumb, but I've read about "magic underwear" and other such (seeming) slurs. Can anyone please tell me what this is all about?

[Bluebear]

1. Mormons evidently wear special undergarments...

To millions of Mormons around the world, garments are a special piece of clothing worn as a symbolic gesture of the promises that they have made to God. The garment is always worn under other clothing, next to the skin. For most people who wear it, the garment takes the place of regular underwear. (For this reason, some people refer to the garment as Mormon undergarments or as Mormon underwear. Most LDS prefer simply using the term "garment" instead.)

The garment is directly related to Mormon temples. It is there that faithful members first receive the garment after individual instruction on what it stands for and how it should be cared for. The garment is worn as part of a special ceremony called the temple endowment. The garment is worn at all times (day and night) by members as a constant reminder of the promises they have made to God in the Temple to be honest and faithful to the commandments of the Lord.

http://www.mormon-underwear.com/

[Cyrano]

7. Thank you for the info. It sound's a bit strange, but everyone is

entitled to their own beliefs.

[insanad]

51. Itchy, uncomfortable, sticky in the butt saggy yellowed skanky underwear

Holy Joe Smith came up with these as some bizarre marketing tool to help separate the ones who'd been through the freaky temple ceremonies and those who hadn't, although back in the early days you couldn't tell who was wearing them and who wasn't. Now the Mc Mormons wad them up under their shorts or try to keep them from twisting and binding under their t-shirts, but ultimately they're just funky uncomfortable underwear.

They have little symbols sewn into them that represent promises made in the temple ceremonies and they're designed to be mostly modest, covering the torso to an appropriate neckline (no cleavage should show) and to the top of the knee. They used to be longer and went to wrist and ankle. The old style with the split back (not like kinky panties) were a one piece with a huge sloppy slit in the back where you would separate it to do your dirty business in the back.

They have been made from wool, cotton, and nylon or other man made fabrics. The new ones are two piece and just look like badly designed long underwear. For the ladies, they're so poorly fitted that the seam at the bodice writhes it's way up across the nipple and causes a nasty rash on some as it rubs and scratches. Perhaps it's some kind of penance for some but for me (when I was in the church for 30 some grueling years) it was torture. The bottom section is so poorly designed that when a woman is on her cycle the pad tosses around like a dryer sheet and ends up in the pant leg or sock, making for embarrassing moments.

The reason some think Mormons only get one pair is because so many of them wear them long past their prime. Perhaps because they're sort of expensive or because they think they're holy underwear, they wear them until it becomes literal. I've seen Mo's wear them till they're yellowed, skanky, saggy, full of holes, grey from poor laundering, and downright nasty.

The garments are just one bizarre part of the Mormon experience but overall most Mormons are very nice good people with a bizarre and backward set of religious beliefs. They're pretty harmless, like a bunch of toothless piranhas, gumming you up a bit but no real harm done....unless you try to leave. Then watch out.

[Arugula Latte]

54. I don't think Mormons are so harmless. Like other rightwing religious people

they tend to have many offspring, who grow up to register to vote Republican and try to impose their backwards-ass vision of America on us. :scared:

[Generic Brad]

10. Can they change their garment? Or do they only get the one?

I know. Ignorant question. But I am an ignoramus in regards to this topic.

[FreeState]

17. You can get more of them

Church members can purchase as many pairs as they want. It would be considered irreverent to wear one pair all the time. They are more symbolic for protection than anything although I know members who have been in fires and did not get any burns where there Garment's were (probably do more to there being more fabric there than any magic).

[Generic Brad]

20. Thank you

I really was not trying to be snarky because I truly did not know. I appreciate the answer.

[UTUSN]

13. SAX-zy!1 Actually!1 Victoria's Secret is missing a bet!! n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

58. The garment is worn at all times (day and night) Do they ever remove it to wash it?

Maybe I don't want to go there.

[FreeState]

60. Yes - its taken off for sports, showering and sex

its taken off and replaced with a clean pair daily just like normal underwear (granted I cant vouch for everyone hygiene in the church but thats the norm).

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

67. Oh, I thought maybe Romney might have a major secret weapon on the debate stage

to use against the other candidates standing next to him that only Smellavision could reveal. Thanks for clearing that up.

[FreeState]

68. LOL well if Romney has some secret weapon its definitely not his religion LOL n/t

[rug]

83. Looks like the temple endowment worked.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Mormons wear special

undergarments at all times. It's supposed to protect them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

[Alexander]

3. Mormons must wear the "garment" which consists of white long johns and an undershirt.

I know. My grandmother was a Mormon. Mormons are expected to wear the garment under their clothing.

It's supposed to protect the wearer from evil.

But how can it protect Mitt Romney from himself?

[unkachuck]

21. in romneys case....

....maybe it works in reverse?....could the garment protect us by confining romneys evil to himself?....

....do Mormons swim at the beach?

[insanad]

55. HILARIOUS!!!

I was a Mormon for 37 years and had no idea that the world saw the Mo's as so backward and bizarre.

Mormons are human beings. The devout ones belive weird stuff and outlandish theories posed as scriptures. They are very family oriented unless you try to leave, and then they will drive a big wedge between you and your family. They do good things most of the time including humanitarian projects, educational endeavors, etc. They believe in Jesus and pray to him with the mantra "Inthenameofjeezechristnamen", said just like it's spelled. Mormons aren't supposed to go swimming on Sunday. Mormon missionaries are told to not go swimming because they believe the devil has more power in the water, bizarre? yes, but harmless to the rest of the world. Mormons watch tv, especially when it's general conference time and the old geezers are preaching or if Little House on the Prarie is on, or Gladys Knight is having a concert, or if they think it's something positive about the church. They like KBYU and PBS and the tamer Disney stuff as long as there's no sexual references or bad words. They don't mind violent movies as long as there's no real sex. They like simplistic emotionally manipulative movies and lots and lots of sugar coating on everything. Mr. Kruger's Christmas is Oscar material to most Mormons. Mormons want to be mainstream, but the harder they try, the more silly and backward they seem. Most mormons are nice people and make good neighbors. Mormon women make good wives if you want someone who will pull the plow and pop out babies like a pez dispenser, and keep her mouth shut, head down and do as she's told. Mormon tater tot casserole and funeral potatoes are delicious.

[Fridays Child]

72. Recipes please!

C'mon! Share!

[FreeState]

77. Here you go!

FUNERAL PATATOES

http://saltlakecity.about.com/od/regionalfood/r/funeralpotatoes.htm

Funeral potatoes is an easy dish that you will find at a lot of funerals in Utah. Since it is so easy and tasty, it also shows up at other gatherings: weddings, birthday parties (especially those "special" ones like 30th, 40th, 50th...)

INGREDIENTS:
6-8 medium pre-cooked potatoes (or a 2-lb pkg of frozen hash browns)
1/4 cup diced onion
1 can (10 ¾ oz.) cream of chicken soup (or cream of celery)
1/2 soup can milk
1 cup sour cream
salt and pepper to taste
3/4 cup crumbs*
3** tablespoons butter, melted
1 cup sharp cheddar cheese, grated



TATER TOT CASSEROLE

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1838,135186-246193,00.html

1 (32-ounce) package frozen potato rounds
1 (16 ounce) container sour cream
1 cup shredded Cheddar cheese
1 (10.75 ounce) can condensed cream of mushroom soup
1 (6 ounce) can French-fried onions
Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Grease a 9x13 inch-baking dish. Arrange tater tots in the prepared baking dish. In a mixing bowl, combine sour cream, cheese, and mushroom soup.


http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,tater_tot_casserole,FF.html

[Fridays Child]

78. Yum! Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[insanad]

80. Tater Tot casserole addition

I like to put the gravy mix in the pan first and the tater tots arranged in nice tidy little McMormon rows on top (all pointing east cause that's where Jesus is going to come from) so they get all toasty brown. When the gravy bubbles, it's done.

[flycessnas]

25. Don't Know...

...but you might want to ask the people at Bain Capital. That's Romney's family company.

[tekisui]

4. Mormons wear sacred underwear.

They believe it protects them and helps keep them holy. They are considered sacred and non-mormons are not allowed to see them. It is the only underwear that they wear.

With Mitt being mormon, a lot of questions about the religion have come up.

[madeline_con]

6. And now, questions about his sanity come up. n/t

[Bobbieo]

8. When we stayed overnight with our Mormon friend another friend and I wondered why

she would always go to the bathroom to undress. She was a Jack Mormon as she drank and smoked so we never connected her with the undegarment.

She went back to the church when she got custody of her granchildren

[madeline_con]

5. Here's the Wiki info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

[L. Coyote]

9. Magic mormon underwear VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsXzHLiHTOU

YouTube - Fireproof Mormon Underwear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9upYoCHyCv4

[Bluebear]

11. Oh my, well yes, that is um different.

"A true Mormon will never take them off, and if he takes a bath will have one hand on the underwear while he bathes" :crazy:

[FreeState]

14. Dont believe everything you read/see- Im LDS and wore them

you can take them off for bathing, sports and sex. All other times your supposed to keep them on. They are very comfortable to sleep in actually:)

[Bluebear]

15. Well, of course sex makes sense.

The size of those LDS families ;)

[FreeState]

LOL!

Well my Great Great Grandfather did not take his off for sex or washing (he would remove half -wash that part - put a clean pair over the clean body and clean the other side of his body. But that was over 100 ears ago:)

You would be surprised how many of my boyfriends through the year wanted me to model them LOL!

[Tom Rinaldo]

37. Thanks for your positive attitude, patience, and openess with us

Your good humor and willingness to explain some of the things that none LDS members find odd at first is reaaly helpful and much appreciated.

[shanti]

64. isn't one of the points of these garments

so that one doesn't dress "immodestly"? i mean, according to the photo, a woman can't wear a sleeveless top or a short skirt (or short shorts or bikini or a midriff top or hiphuggers - we can go on and on!)

[FreeState]

18. dupe delete n/t

[LostinVA]

42. Just a curiosity question: are the Temple ceremonies as interesting as I've read?

Not asking for secrets.

[FreeState]

44. They are known to make people

fall asleep. Really. You go into a room and watch a movie and stand up every once and a while - put a piece of clothing over your outfit and sit down - watch more of the move, repeat. At the end there is a small group that prays in front of everyone and then you finish the ceremony by entering the Celestial Room. The ceremony is a little over two hours long (if I remember correctly). It really is much more interesting to non-members than to those that have been through it.

[insanad]

59. Temple Ritual Chronology-no real secrets revealed

The chronology of a typical temple endowment and sealing session goes mostly like this...(the ladies experience)


You enter the temple (after going through the process of getting a recommend) and there are greeters who direct you to a rental station where you can rent a temple gown and the various things you will wear during the ceremony if you don't have your own stuff. The price is fairly cheap but plan to spend about $6.00 per person

Then you go through another door where theres another greeter who directs you to the changing room. This is a huge locker room(ever wonder why they need locks in the temple?) and you get a locker and change into this nightgown thing and hang up your clothes in the locker.

You take this little cloth bag called a packet which has a funky veil like hat, a green silk or satin apron with fig leaves on it, and a sort of strange shawl robe thing that you'll wear over the nightgown but you'll switch it back and forth from one side to the other for some ritual things.

If this is your first time you'll be taken to a little booth where someone will tell you some ritual stuff that is supposed to set you apart for "washing and annointing", and then (they used to actually touch your private parts and bosom under this thing they called a shield but was really just a big cape thingy) they will touch near your body in symbolic representation of whatever it is it's supposed to represent. I can't remember what it was about but I remember being very creeped out.

Then you'll go through this line and a little old lady will ask you some questions to which you answer yes or no and then another old lady takes you into this little booth where she whispers a secret name to you. You repeat what she says word for word and they correct you if you mess up, so just repeat it till you get it right. Don't worry if you forget it, everyone gets the same secret name that day. It's supposed to be your new name when you go to heaven and your spouse is the only one who can call it to have you resurrected. If he doesn't call your name, you stay dead. (cool eh???)

Then you go down a long hallway to the endowment ceremony room. This is usually a big room like a chapel. It's decorated very nicely with soft comfy chairs in long rows. The women sit on one side and the men on the other. Up front is an altar and a movie screen. The walls are usually painted with scenes from biblical legends like the Garden of Eden or what have you. Some are better than others but it gives you something to look at while you are waiting.

The endowment ceremony is done by men who are usually quite old and have the most boring voices in the world. I'm pretty sure that's the pre-requisite for the job. They lecture on some ritual stuff, all of it memorized and repeated word for word and then they start the movie.

The movie is about the creation of the earth and Christ's role, Satan, and Michael who apparantly becomes Adam. Part way through the movie the lights will come on and you'll go through some strange ritual things but they're not terribly creepy, just odd. Then the movie continues and goes through the garden of eden stuff till Adam and Eve get cast out.
The lights come back on (this usually wakes everyone up) and you do some more rituals, changing the costume from right to left, putting on the veil, etc.. A few old ladies come and do some hand symbols to you and you have to touch their palms, wrists, and such. They used to have you make death symbols but apparantly they don't do that anymore.Mostly it's just weird but not like sacrificing babies or snake handling or anything, just weird.

Then an old man has a few couples, usually the ones getting married, and others who want to participate come up and stand in a circle with one arm on each others back, and the other held up like you're about to ask a question (to the square). He rambles for a while and then starts this prayer of which the people in the circle must repeat it word for word. Sometimes these old geezers love the podium and can really ramble so the prayers can go on and on.

Then when the endowment session is done you go into another room that is supposed to represent the veil between heaven and the afterlife waiting station of the spirit world. When it's your turn to go up you go up to a white nylon curtain with some funky little v shaped holes in it. Behind it is an old man who says some ritual things to you and you have to repeat them word for word. There's an old lady standing next to you to make sure you say everything word for word. Then he takes your hand and places his hand on your back through the v cuts in the curtain. You say the words and your new name and then he guides you through the veil, (curtain) and you go into what is called the Celestial Room.

The Celestial Rooms are very very pretty and elegant and brightly lit. They have soft chairs and pretty silk flowers and every kind of luxurious carpet and wallcovering. You sit there in some kind of contemplation, apparantly overwhelmed and spiritually moved by the previous two hrs. experiences. If you're not getting married or sealed for someone else then eventually you can leave, but many like to stay long enough to recieve some revelation about something in their lives or personal situations. This is where lots of folks get the inspiration of who to marry, what job to take, etc.. (be careful though, someone else may not get the same revelation you got and so then it's a battle of who'se is more valid and sanctioned by God)

If you're getting married for the first time then you go to a sealing room which is precious and small and very nicely decorated. They have mirrors on all the walls and an altar in the middle with padded knee stands.

Following is my wedding experience, but doesn't necessarily represent what everyone feels.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks the Temple rituals and experience are absolutely horrifying and bizarre. I was pregnant with my son when I was socially forced to marry my husband (ex) 26 years ago. Even though I didn't love him, we had serious problems, fought continually, and were really really sorely matched I was pressured to go through the temple after we had been married a year. I had no real idea what the rituals were like, the costumes and endowments, etc.. I'd seen the garments and always thought they must come yellowed and skanky since I'd never seen anyone wearing anything resembling new white ones.

From the moment I entered to the last panicked second we left I was overcome with a horrible sense of dread. I could hardly breathe in there and my nerves stood on end as the washing and annointing ritual was performed, the new name given (which at the time I hated and would not reveal to my husband when he was commanded to call me by it), the hand symbols and freaky death signs, the creepy touch of old ladies I didn't know and the weird complacent and nearly trancelike expressions of the people in the endowments. The prayer circle was just like something out of a Dungeons and Dragons game and I just stood there watching these people recite the ramblings of this geezer who was all puffed up in his pulpit and the way people would do his bidding. The whole movie thing was so strange and badly done that I just couldn't take any part of it seriously or consider it a spiritual experience. Once we started that whole veil thing I was ready to run and it was all I could do to not rip the frumpy synthetic nightgown and apron off and just scream.

My mom could sense my horrible anxiety and kept patting my hand and telling me I'd get used to it if I just kept going. Crikey, what kind of church can make up such freaky stuff and then use guilt and social pressure to make you continue to go? I began to leave the church when I was about nine years old, but that was one of the defining moments for my revulsion for the LDS church doctrine and practices.

When my ex and I got sealed it was just one of those run of the mill, process them through quickly, McMormon wedding sealing ceremonies that was about as personal as an automatic car wash. The only memorable part was when our infant son puked on the Temple President and stained his fancy white suit with the orange stain of baby formula. It was sort of surreal since my son had projectile vomiting and any jostling after eating would stir a stream that would make the Exorcist vomit scene look tame. As this guy, (I don't recall his name because he was a complete stranger and never had any impact or significance in our lives before or since) was lecturing us he picked up our really cute 4 month old smiling son and held him over his head. My son let out a belch and then a stream of curdled stinking formula that nearly melted the fancy carpet.That was how I remember my temple marriage, suffocating pressure, bizarre rituals, creepy touching, and vomit. Mom was wrong, I never did get used to it no matter how many times I went back or how many prayer circles were devoted on my behalf.

Temple Aprons
They're to represent the fig leaves that Adam and Eve wore and Yes, I do believe they originated with the Masons but I think even Jews and other religions with Adam and Eve backgrounds use them. The ones they use in the temple are very pretty emerald green and embroidered with a large sort of ivy leaf pattern. That was one part of the get-up I actually thought was interesting and pretty. I used to sneak candy in the sleeve of my dress and I secretly sewed a pocket in the backside of my apron to hold jolly ranchers and lifesavers or other candy that I'd pre-unwrapped so the celophane wouldn't cause any dirty looks by the ladies. The sessions are sooooo long and sooooo boring. I think the second the lights went out for the creation movie the whole place would be snoring in a pentamic rythm, much like the singsongy rythms of the testimony recitations. Up, down, up, down, nameajeesechristnamen. It's those nap times where I think most temple "Revelations" come about. Deep REM, or the frequently interrupted short naps can cause all kinds of hallucinations, even the ones where you think someone is supposed to marry you or squeeze off another kid for your posterior or something. Basing a whole life change or scripture on such brain activity seems pretty silly. Following someone who thinks THEIR dreams are the same as the WORD OF GOD ON YOUR BEHALF is even sillier.

[cali]

75. thank you so much for this fascinating

and beautifully written account.

[LostinVA]

79. Thanks

[la la]

12. I thought those long panties

were called 'snuggies'! That's what we called them, growing up in PA in the 40s.
" Don't forget to wear your snuggies---you'll freeze your lily off"--was the remark every cold morning from an old 'dutchy' lady who cared for my friend's family!

Just kidding around wit ya!

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[lonestarnot]

16. I think they cut off the circulation to their brains.

:shrug:

[cgrindley]

19. It is not a slur to call Temple Garments "magic undies"

apparently God cannot tell the faithful from the non-faithful without them. If that's not the dumbest damn thing, I don't know what is.

[FreeState]

23. Yes its considered a slur

just because you don't hold the same belief does not mean that calling them that is not a slur or offensive.

[catnhatnh]

27. As long as you are knowledgeable and willing to share...

I read also that the garment had certain ritual markings. I don't see any on the items in the photo.Is this a falsehood, an older practice, or a current practice? Could you explain the marks and their meanings if so?

[cgrindley]

29. Just read the wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

[FreeState]

33. There in the wiki

but they are very small and sewn in to the fabric so they are hard to see.

[proudmoddemo]

39. Thank You:

I am of a different faith, but I just want to say that I think you handled the questions about your faith, and the slurs that came with them very well. To the people that said "magic undies," etc, I really want to believe that DU is more tolerant than Mike Huckabee.

[mitchtv]

84. Yeah? don't expect the Gays to be tolerant

to a sect that actively works against them.

[catnhatnh]

40. Thanks for the info....

...I had read the article in Wiki but thought that the answer from a DUer who was Mormon might vary from it. One more question if I may, Mitt and family spend most of the summer just up the road in their waterfront house in Wolfeboro NH. Obviously this involves a lot of shorts and tees and bathing suits and such. I read above how the garment is removed for sports, but are swimwear considered proper, and how likely are his five boys and their wives to have undergone this rite?

[Momgonepostal]

43. If I may...

Mormons can wear swimwear and they don't need to wear the garments with it. If the Mormon in question plays tennis, they probably don't wear the garment for that either, nor do professional atheletes "on the field." We are advised though, to put our regular clothing, including garments, back on when we are done, so playing tennis, then running errands around town still in your tennis clothes is frowned upon.

I don't know very much about Mitt Romney's family, but if his boys and daughters in law have been on missions for the church and/or have been married in an LDS temple, they probably wear the garments.

If we're talking about wearing shorts just for lounging around on a hot day, an active LDS person will probably wear REALLY LONG shorts, with the garments underneath.

[FreeState]

45. The 3 S's:)

Thats how I was taught - they can be taken off for Sex, Sports and Showering - all other times you should be wearing them.

Also its not uncommon for people that are no longer active to still wear them - after all the covenants they made in the Temple still apply. I know people that have not been to a meeting in 15+ years that still wear them.

Nothing like those bermuda shorts:)

[cgrindley]

28. If they're not magic underwear, then what pray tell are they?

do they have the power to identify the wearer to an invisible supernatural deity? If so, that's pretty much the definition of "magical" isn't it?

[seriousstan]

41. Damn near all religions have some sort of vestments. Judges wear robes.

Even Code Pink has a "special" attire, I guess that makes them "special".

[FreeState]

24. Dupe delete n/t

[cliss]

30. Well, you can't take any chances

when it comes to being Saved. We wouldn't want God to make any mistakes and pick someone wearing Victoria's Secret.

:smoke:
Sheesh. This has got to be the most juvenile thing I've ever heard of. Surely these folks can't be adults.

Catering to the Ego.
that's all this stuff is. Just catering to people's never-satiated Egos. Like promising them planets of their own, when they die. Sounds just like the silly nonsense kids play with on their Nintendo Games.

Also, the Mormon Temple has a gold plated huge statue of some angel (?). That thing will blow its horn when it's Armageddon Time. The rest of us heathens will be clueless, though. ALTHOUGH you know it's kinda hard to hide the fact that thousands of folks will be high-tailing it outta Dodge going to Salt Lake City eh?

[flycessnas]

22. They Say...

...it's a divine thing that protects them. I've never understood it but they swear by it.

[provis99]

26. thank god Catholics don't wear anything goofy

[FreeState]

31. Or Jews or buddhist

[cgrindley]

32. Lutherans don't wear anything overly stupid

that's about it, though, as far as I can tell. I would have said evangelicals, but I really hate polyester leisure suits.

[FreeState]

34. polyester leisure suits ROFLAO n/t

[FloridaJudy]

47. Or Hindu....

[catnhatnh]

36. I was raised Catholic...

...And we had TONS of magick stuff...Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

[sandnsea]

65. And it gets made fun of too n/t

[TechBear_Seattle]

35. Correction: Not all Mormons wear the magic underwear

Only those who have gone through the Temple Endowment are allowed to wear it. Temple Mormons make up a minority of all members of the LDS Church.

[sjdnb]

38. Not that the Mormons are that much wackier than xtians, but ...

I am tired of all the hand wringing about anyone who questions Romney's faith.

Now, if he had not gone on national TV to talk about his faith, maybe I'd be willing to give him a pass. But, he did ... and, just like Bush spins torture, WMD, undermining the Constitution, Romney's machine is trying to spin Mormonism into Christianity (as most in this country know it) and it just ain't the same.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3961048&page=1 (Romney speech)

Further, in his speech he said "My faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

Well his 'fathers' were polygamists, racists, and sexists.

And, there are MAJOR historical, doctrinal, theological, and dogmatic differences between Christianity and Mormonism.

Mormonism is no closer to Christianity than Judaism or Islam. Now, if Romney would just acknowledge that and move on, I would not have as much of a problem with it (exc. the sexist, racist, polygamist thing). But, he has chosen to try to align himself with Conservative Christians (bad enough) through obfuscation, passive aggressiveness, and playing the 'faith' card.

[bpeale]

46. ...

<<Mormonism is no closer to Christianity than Judaism or Islam.>>

mormonism is a cult!

[FreeState]

48. You do realize LDS worship

Jesus right? Jews and Muslims do not. LDS are a lot closer to mainstream christianity than Jews or Muslims weather you think they are a cult or not really does not change that.

[bpeale]

52. don't patronize me!

i am a former mormon. and i still say they are a cult! if you don't believe it, real the Pearl of Great Price.

[FreeState]

57. Im LDS I know who the church worships n/t

[bpeale]

63. and as a FORMER mormon, so do i

[FreeState]

66. So your saying Mormons dont worship Jesus?

Must have gone to a different church than I did then. You might feel that their beliefs about Jesus are different than yours now, but Mormons believe they worship Jesus - Muslims and Jews do not.

[bpeale]

69. i draw the line with the space ship stuff

[Sanctified]

70. Never heard of the spaceship stuff, can you elaborate.

My parents where practicing Mormons and I attended an LDS church till I was about 10 and I don't remember ever being taught about spaceships. In fact if they would have mentioned spaceships I would have probably paid more attention in church since I was so into Star Wars at that time.

Is there any speaking about spaceships in the book of mormon because I still have mine and I will dig it out and read it if there is some stuff in there.

[bpeale]

71. sorry, you will have to do your own reading

read The Pearl of Great Price. what a crock!

i'm done talking about mormons.

[Sanctified]

74. So the Pearl of Great Price has spaceships in it?

I am going to go buy one this weekend and read the book, I hope you are right I will be pretty pissed off if I dump money into a book and there are no spaceships.

[FreeState]

76. Don't spend your money you can read it online for free

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/pgp/contents

good luck trying to find any reference to space ships though!

[Arugula Latte]

56. Christianity is a cult, too. The cult of Jesus. nt

[last_texas_dem]

62. What religion isn't?

Looking in the dictionary, a cult is defined as "a system of worship of a deity." What makes Mormonism more of a "cult" than other religions?

[XemaSab]

53. My "fathers" weren't polygamists (I'm assuming)

but they were probably racist and sexist, if you go back far enough.

It's pretty much a guarantee that everyone's family has some crappy people in it if you look in the right places.

Judging people based on the beliefs of their relatives is sort of lame, IMHO.

[sjdnb]

73. I do when they revere those beliefs ....

Romney "My faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

[davsand]

81. Hell, i have living relatives who are racist and sexist.

You don't have to go back at all to find the less attractive members of my family. We have racist sexist assholes running at large right now--and they don't have multiple wives either...


Laura

[Beelzebud]

49. It's funny reading responses from other religious people making fun of mormonism.

As an atheist it's quite funny. Everyone points out all the obvious logical fallacies in the religion with out a hint of acknowledgment, or irony, that their own religions share the same type of crackpot ideas.

Some religious people call it a cult, as if they're religions aren't cults because they have a few hundred years on mormonism.

[Toasterlad]

82. Amen, Brother. Amen.

[Ezlivin]

50. Tighty whities make whities tight

It's the Mormon version of "don't get yer panties in a bunch."

Well, that's that the Fruit of the Loom guys tell me....

[tabasco]

61. Two food groups in abundance.