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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:43 PM
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George Waterboard Bush, now that's what I call a Permanent Republican Pejorative
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 04:58 PM by L. Coyote
A Question Bush Can't Answer
By Dan Froomkin - Oct 18, 2006 - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/10/18/BL2006101800799.html


There are a lot of questions -- about a lot of things -- that President Bush can't seem to answer.
But Fox News's Bill O'Reilly, of all people, asked Bush one of the most important ones in an interview aired last night.
This one was about torture.

Here's the transcript (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,221975,00.html); here's the video (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?101706/101706_oreilly_bush3&OReilly_Factor&Pres.%20Bush%2C%20Part%202&President%20Bush%20on%20O%26%2339%3BReilly%2C%20Pt.%204&Politics&309&News&180&&&col).

O'Reilly raised the issue of waterboarding, a particularly appalling technique that CIA interrogators reportedly used on terror suspects.

O'Reilly: "Is waterboarding torture?"

Bush: "I don't want to talk about techniques. But I do assure the American people that we were within the law and we don't torture. I have said all along to the American people we won't torture. But we need to be in a position where we can interrogate these people."

Then came the question I've been waiting for someone to ask. ............

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:46 PM
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1. The ‘W’ stands for Waterboard By W.L. Floyd = thepeacetable.blogspot
The ‘W’ stands for Waterboard
By W.L. Floyd - http://thepeacetable.blogspot.com/2005/01/w-stands-for-waterboard_110652146499577897.html

Waterboarding is tying a victim to a board and submerging his/her head under water. The torture continues until the victim believes he/she is drowning. At Abu Ghraib Prison, Guantanamo, Cuba and Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan about 50 have died from torture such as Waterboarding.

Mock burials and other suffocation-type torture methods have been used by US intelligence for over 2 years, according to International Red Cross and Amnesty International.

George Waterboard Bush claims publicly he abhors torture. However Sen. Barbara Boxer revealed a letter from Secretary of State nominee Condoleeza Rice in December 2004 requesting the deletion of a
Congressional bill outlawing torture of all captured combatants.

Attorney General nominee Alberto Gonzales wrote a legal Memo stating torture is OK for foreigners. ...................

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FROM: = Waterboarding UPDATES Thread = Former Interrogator Enters Fray, CIA approved.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:10 PM
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7. W is right! It's not torture if he okays it.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 01:11 PM by donkeyotay
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48446-2005Jan4?language=printer

Gonzales Helped Set the Course for Detainees
Justice Nominee's Hearings Likely to Focus on Interrogation Policies
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 5, 2005; Page A01


Gonzales's involvement in the crafting of the torture memo, and his work on two presidential orders on detainee policy ...is expected to take center stage at Senate Judiciary Committee hearings tomorrow on Gonzales's nomination to become attorney general. ...
. . .

Gonzales, after reviewing a legal brief from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, advised Bush verbally on Jan. 18, 2002, that he had authority to exempt the detainees from such protections. Bush agreed, reversing a decades-old policy aimed in part at ensuring equal treatment for U.S. military detainees around the world. Rumsfeld issued an order the next day to commanders that detainees would receive such protections only "to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity."

...

Drafted at the request of the CIA, which sought legal blessing for aggressive interrogation methods for Abu Zubaida and other al Qaeda detainees, the memo contended that only physically punishing acts "of an extreme nature" would be prosecutable. It also said that those committing torture with express presidential authority or without the intent to commit harm were probably immune from prosecution.

. . .

The memo defined torture in extreme terms, said the president had inherent powers to allow it and gave the CIA permission to do what it wished. Seven months later, its conclusions were cited approvingly in a Defense Department memo that spelled out the Pentagon's policy for "exceptional interrogations" of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.


Puts yet another angle on Abu Gonzales as the Head of Obstruction over at the Just Us Dept.








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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:51 PM
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2. Assuming waterboarding is as far as they went..
I don't assume that for a second.

We already know they raped kids at Abu Gharib.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:15 PM
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3. The murders are the crimes that likelier will be prosecuted.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:18 PM
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4. the "W" stands for Waterboarding....
i'd like to write this in on all the very few "W" bumper sticker i see around here.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:21 PM
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5. "W is 4 Waterboarding" good bumper sicker idea, double meaning 2fer too
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:58 AM
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6. We need a new nickname for Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney too. Abu?
Richard B. "??" Cheney. Ideas please. BS comes to mind first.
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