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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:53 PM
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Ms. Pelosi, if impeachment is off the table, so is re-election.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 05:02 PM by seafan
It has been one year since we, the voters, sent you Democrats back to Washington, DC to take majority control of both houses of Congress.

We had high expectations of you, The People's Representatives.

We wanted you to get us out of Bush's illegal invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq.

We wanted you to examine the myriad ways this Executive and his Vice President have deceived the American people and to take action to stop them from further destruction of the US Constitution and behaving as dictators.




After one year of taking majority control of both Houses of Congress in 2006, what do you have to show for it?



Bush is wiretapping our electronic communications, telephone calls and opening our mail with impunity. You have not stopped him.

Bush is pouring billions more of our taxpayer money into the bloody mess in Iraq. You have not stopped him.

Bush created over a thousand "signing statements" to bypass Congressional legislation in order to rule as a despot. You have not stopped him.

Bush/Cheney deliberately lied about nonexistent weapons in Iraq, so that Americans would not object when he proclaimed that he wanted to invade that country. Now, he is beating bellicose drums to invade Iran, in the face of no ongoing program in Iran to develop nuclear weapons. You have not stopped him.

Bush/Cheney repudiate our troops by cutting their pay, slashing their health benefits, ignoring their injuries and sending them on repeated deployments into harm's way. You have not stopped him.

Bush/Cheney have emptied out our Treasury in the biggest heist in our history, giving our treasure to his cronies, while Americans suffer terribly in our country from the aftermath of Katrina, from poverty, from substandard education, and denial of basic health care. You have not stopped him.

Bush/Cheney violate international law by ordering human torture of prisoners, after first stripping them of any and all rights to face their accusers and view the evidence against them. You have not stopped him.



A look at a few headlines of the past two days:


After losing spending battle, Pelosi points to 2008 election, December 13, 2007

Congressional Democrats have lost their end-of-the-year showdown with President Bush, but Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) countered Thursday that the House succeeded in showing what Democrats can do, and would do, if a Democrat were in the White House.

“We signaled change. We made a difference,” Pelosi said. “Now, in order to get more done — we can get some of it done this year — but we need a Democratic president.”

.....

On Iraq in particular, Pelosi acknowledged at her Thursday news conference she’d misjudged the resolve of Republicans.

“They like this war,” she said. “They want this war to continue. That was a revelation to me. I had thought they would listen to their constituents and change their position.”

.....




Democrats Blaming Each Other For Failures, December 13, 2007


When Democrats took control of Congress in January, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) pledged to jointly push an ambitious agenda to counter 12 years of Republican control.

Now, as Congress struggles to adjourn for Christmas, relations between House Democrats and their colleagues in the Senate have devolved into finger-pointing.

.....

Reid, in turn, has taken to the Senate floor to criticize what he called the speaker's "iron hand" style of governance.

Democrats in each chamber are now blaming their colleagues in the other for the mess in which they find themselves. The predicament caused the majority party yesterday surrender to President Bush on domestic spending levels, drop a cherished renewable-energy mandate and move toward leaving a raft of high-profile legislation, from addressing the mortgage crisis to providing middle-class tax relief, undone or incomplete.

.....




This bill passed yesterday in the US House of Representatives:


H RES 847 YEA-AND-NAY 11-Dec-2007 7:02 PM

BILL TITLE: Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.





Ms. Pelosi, it is painfully apparent that your "iron hand" is inadequate.


As George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney drive our country into the ground, the ONE TOOL YOU HAVE TO STOP THEM, YOU REFUSE TO WIELD.


It's not that you 'do not have the votes'.


It's that you do not have the courage.








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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:54 PM
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1. A-fucking-men. -n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:32 AM
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:50 AM
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64. I had not heard that Cindy Sheehan...

Is a democrat again.

She is/has been running strictly as an Independent so she will face the DINO winner of the February primary in November as well as the candidates of all of the other political parties with a candidate in that race, like the Libertarians, Greens, American Independent, Peace & Freedom and even a token Republican perhaps.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:08 AM
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86. Sheehan is not running against Pelosi in the primary. She is
running as an Independent, fyi.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:10 AM
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89. you're right. Wish she would run against her in the primary as a Dem.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:23 PM
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124. It was stupid of her to run as an Independent.
If she were running as a Democratic challenger, it would be easier for us here at DU and at Kos to openly support her and raise funds for her. The netroots are damn good at that, and Cindy should have taken it into consideration before she decided to burn her bridges to the Democratic Party.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:36 PM
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125. She might think the Democratic Party burned its bridges to her.
:shrug:

I've no idea what her calculation was but it would have been nice if she'd made a different one.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:18 PM
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157. Yep. She could have had a voice here, but went down the Nader route.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 05:19 PM by onehandle
But unlike Nader, her candidacy won't come close to making a difference.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:10 AM
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90. Campaigning for and asking for donations for a 3rd party against a Dem is against tthe rules here
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:11 AM by Marrah_G
But you know that already, which is why you used a new account.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:14 PM
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99. You are violating DU rules.
And for the record, Cindy is most definitely NOT a Democrat, let alone being more of a Dem than our own Speaker of the House.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:00 PM
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2. K&R
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:01 PM
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3. "...And let the church say amen." Seafan......
Off to the greatest page for thee!!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:00 AM
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48. Amen!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:01 PM
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4. kcik
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:02 PM
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5. Wow. And all this time I've been blaming Bush/Cheney for the mess we're in
Thanks for opening my eyes to the TRUE enemy of America - Nancy Pelosi :patriot:

(The amazing thing is - that's exactly what Limbaugh and Hannity think, too. Congratulations!)
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:05 PM
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6. bush cheny wouldnt be a problem if pelosi was working for us and impeached.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:38 PM
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113. I can't find the part of the Constitution that gives the Speaker power to impeach
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:38 PM by onenote
care to point it out?

Pelosi can't impeach. She could push for a vote on a resolution to start an impeachment inquiry, but she knows such a resolution would fail (giving a huge victory to chimpy since it would end the process before it ever began. How does she know such a resolution will fail? Because one of the things that the leadership in Congress does is count votes before they try to take action.

Keep in mind that virtually no Democrats -- including most of the co-sponsors of DK's cheney impeachment resolution -- wanted that resolution to be voted on and instead supported sending it to Committee. Why? Because they recognized it would be defeated.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:14 PM
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129. thanks for a voice of reason
people are so dead set on starting this process against a president already on his way out. It wont work, its going to alienate more voters and it'll guarantee a republican in the white house in 08.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:47 PM
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150. No.. people are dead set on not allowing a presidency such as this to ever happen again..
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 04:47 PM by rAVES
I think you're missing the bigger picture as to why Impeachment is so important.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:11 PM
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155. and I think you are misreading the "people"
I wish that the "people" did feel that way. But polls don't reflect that. In fact, the most recent poll on the issue of impeachment that I've seen shows that 1/3 don't think chimpy has abused his office, 1/3 think he has and should be impeached/removed and 1/3 think he has but nonetheless don't think what he's done is impeachable or even if they think it is, still don't support impeaching him. Hell, even among Democrats, the poll suggests that only 50 percent want him impeached and removed. Go figure.


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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:26 PM
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158. I think its more than clear what Bush has done is impeachable...
and I also think the reasoning behind not going after him is either flawed or outright fabricated.
Bush won after an Impeachment, didn't hurt them so badly, the way the DLCers go on here, you'd think it would destroy the Democratic party... and by People, I simply meant the people that support it.

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Patriot Abroad Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:18 PM
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160. Exactly
Enough with the impeachment at this point. Less likely than Gore winning the Democratic nomination.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:18 PM
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9. she's just another impediment to justice. she can go. San Fran can
field many people for her job that have character, guts and a sense of duty to country, not party, first.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:00 PM
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15. I expect Republicans to behave like Republicans.
I am not a member of their Party.
They do NOT speak for me.
I am not upset when a snake behaves like a snake.
It does NO good to scream at the Republicans for being Republicans.

I AM a member of the Democratic Party.
I spend $MONEY$, Time, and Sweat to get them elected.
In return for my effort, they promise to speak for me.
In return for my effort, they promise to represent me.
In return for my effort, they promise to OPPOSE the agenda of the other Party.

When I find MY Party (The Democrats) Aiding & Abetting the other Party (The Republicans), and helping to advance their agenda, I AM going to SCREAM......LOUD & LONG!


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone




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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:25 PM
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23. Yeah, Blind Loyalty Will Do That (nt)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:26 PM
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42. No...
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:28 PM by Dr_eldritch
When those who have the power to prevent the "enemies of America" from doing harm take a knee to those enemies, they need to be done away with.

Pelosi has proven that power is more important to her than principle.

That power must be taken away.

In February, I defended the dems because they were under assault for not doing enough with their majority... after barely a month. Now they've had the time, and the challenges... and they've failed to stand up for the very tenets of The Constitution.

Whatever else their excuse may be, they had one of the most crucial documents in history to guide their hand... and they dismissed it.

They lost faith in The Constitution... they lost faith in America.

They lost.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:08 AM
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87. LOL!
The emoticon is really the perfect finishing touch.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:21 PM
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101. Not just Nancy, it's all the Democrats.
We all know what we must do. We must punish each and every Dem by defeating them in the election. Let's put the Republicans back in power. PURGE!!! The only thing more ideologically pure than single-payer healthcare is single-party rule. :sarcasm:

FWIW, I strongly support increasing our majorities to become filibuster-proof and putting a Dem in the white house, even if it's Hillary Clinton. The motherfucking Repubs are blocking as much as they can to further promote the meme of the "do-nothing congress" and "Dems can't get anything passed". assholes. DUers don't know how much these pieces of shit are filibustering and blocking. DUers don't know how hard our Dems are trying and how difficult it is to succeed when we actually follow ethics and the other party does not.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:26 PM
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104. Good post.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:26 PM by Richardo
:thumbsup:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:31 PM
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107. It's an uphill battle
Pelosi's job is a thankless one. She gets it from both sides and faces it graciously.

Oh well, I'm committed to win this battle or die trying. That's no easy feat considering we all manage to think for ourselves and want different things and different ways of accomplishing those things. If we don't hang together, I assure you the Republicans can't wait to hang us all individually.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:39 PM
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114. Are you the only one here who watches CSPAN or what?
And, I'm supposed to be happy that Pelosi is ideologically "flexible" enough to let torture skate but turn on her progressive constituents? To my mind, that's backwards.

It's a shame that Pelosi has denied herself the support of a constituency that she could probably use right about now with the Republicans objecting to everything but artificial light in the chambers.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:59 PM
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119. Are we watching the same things?
Do you not see the Repubs blocking everything? Do you know that Bush used 7 vetoes this year and 0 the previous years? Do you not think things will considerably better with bigger majorities and a Dem president? I don't subscribe to the "blame the Dems first" ideology. That doesn't help the situation. You should know better than that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:22 PM
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123. You might want to reread my post. And no one blamed the Democrats first.
I'd be happy to give you a list of the essays I've written so you can see the evolution of my position.

I didn't tell Nancy she didn't represent me. She told me I wasn't her constituent, which is an ungracious not to mention antagonistic way to deal with your district.

And you should know better than to try that broad brush on people you disagree with.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:00 PM
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154. thank you
:dem:


DU has damn near become a thought free zone. It's so much easier to bitch and complain than it is to try and understand how our government actually works and the obstacles that Pelosi and crew have had to contend with. The solution is a Dem president with strong majorities in both houses.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:32 PM
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109. Whoa, not so fast, Richardo
NO no no..........BUSH is the EVIL ENEMY! Nancy is just inadequate to change it. BIG DIFFERENCE! SHe also hasn't gotten enough support from the majority of SHEEPLE. ( One of them made confessio on Cspan this am. Very satisfying to hear, Indignant outraged Repug, abruptly awaree of being played for a fool & his 2 vote in 2000 & 2004.)
I have been doing some historic research today. I found a bill from my oil company in NJ from 12/12/86. 550 gallons $140.92 @.71.91
I then talked to my current oil man's wife in Maine, ( he's a bit late delivering due to the new snow fall last night. I will be getting 50 gallons for $158.00 ( I bought that amount on Dec. 6th 07) That's $316.00 for 4 weeks of warmth! out of a SS income of $824.00 per month!
The oil man's wife filled in for me, that when they went into business in 2000. TWO THOUSAND; REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED THAT YEAR?
the price of oil was .99 a gallon. THAT'S ALMOST TRIPLED!
NJ buys from Hesse, Sunoco, Motiva, & Total Energy. He suggested I go to closetheenronloophole.com Ah those liberal NJites!
I will ask about here, although the company here does deliver for Citgo/Kennedy/Chavez!
BUSH & CHENEY ARE VERY MUCH TO BLAME.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:27 PM
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133. It's funny how that works...
People get all riled up and they want to tear down everything in sight...

All I know is that I have been an active Democrat for over 35 years and I will remian so...

If someone isn't happy with a democrat, run in the primary or get someone else to run...

It will do absolutley no good to have third party candidates ot independents who aren't ligned with the party leadeship...

It's not even facing reality...

Too many people seem to think making a point is far better than actually getting something done...

The Dems we have in leadership haven't seemed to be able to either...

But realistically, they are going against one of the partisan machines I have ever seen...

The GOP control the agenda via Bush and with the solid backing of the congressional GOP party leaders and rank and file, truly control what's going on...
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:01 PM
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136.  that's exactly what Limbaugh and Hannity think, too. ??
Limbaugh and Hannity wish Pelosi would stand up to Bush also? Who knew? :shrug:
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dan_dy Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:11 PM
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7. Someone who said exactly what I've been thinking!
Where has Democratic Underground been all my life?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:33 PM
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34. DU has been here we have been waiting for you!
Welcome to DU dan_dy!:hi:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:21 AM
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70. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:36 PM
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112. welcome to DU!!!
:hi:
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dan_dy Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:29 PM
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147. Thank you for your welcome.
I wrote what I thought was an innocuous article (Hillary's Money Problem) that elicited such hostile feed back that I've been incredulous since. You are a nice change.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:12 PM
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8. We need someone with a.....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:21 PM
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10. k&r

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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:46 PM
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11. Kicked & Recommended!!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:54 PM
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12. well said...k'd and r'd
:applause:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:41 PM
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13. exactly!...K&R
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:50 PM
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14. well
that will be up to the people in her district. And I suspect she'll be re-elected handily.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:06 PM
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30. hey monkeyfu*k, I agree. nm
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:15 AM
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94. Agreed
And we didn't elect her to become Speaker or to get us out of the war.

Those in her district elected her to be their Representative and for whatever reason(s) they might be.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:03 PM
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121. exactly nt
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:01 PM
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16. Impeach. Indict. Imprison!
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:23 PM
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22. I completely agree! K&R
n/t
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:08 PM
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17. I have to admit, seafan....
...that I did not read your entire post.

But I agree wholeheartedly with the subject line.

Pelosi: "Why am I being fired?"

Us: "You're not doing the job we hired you to do."
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:26 PM
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19. You're firing me??
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:19 PM
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18. “We signaled change. We made a difference,”
Christ she's really fooling herself isn't she. Maybe being in Washington has softened her brain cause when I look around I see people losing their homes, I see people, including children, with no health care, I see skyrocketing gas prices, I see credit card interest rates choking the life out of families, I see the war still going on, I see illegal spying and I see the repugs trying to convince America that the 16 intelligence agency's that produce the NIE are all out to get Bush. Hell "made a difference"? You sure did, things are worse than ever, and by showing no spine at all you have managed to convince Bush and Cheney that they are invincible. And I'm done hearing about republicans keeping the Dems from getting anything done. If the situation were reversed the Repugs would be making the Dems filibuster on a daily basis. There would be overnight sessions on every bill, the Repugs would be ramming legislation down the Dems throats and debating it day after day till they cave.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:38 PM
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20. True that
When the Dems were in the minority, they put up only the feeblest of obstruction to the Repuke Neo-con Fascist agenda... and assured us that once they had a majority things would be different. Well, they got their majority, and they've gotten their asses handed to them by a party that knows how to be an opposition party. Time for new leaders - ones that can ram legislation down the pukes throats when they're in the majority, and can obstruct the pukes fascist agenda when the Dems are in the minority. I have absolutely no problem with kicking Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer to the curb for some leaders with spine.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:42 PM
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21. Is there a Dem candidate running against her?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:35 PM
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24. In calif, to get anywhere near close to being on the ticket as a Democrat,
You would have to have Diane Feinstein's blessing.

That is the only way it could be done.

And I see a lot of what Di Feinstein is about in Nancy's non-actions.

So I doubt that Feinstein would help unseat Ms Pelosi.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:31 AM
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72. No, because there would be
no party support behind a Democratic challenger. They'd have to run using their own resources and, personally, I'm sick of people being able to buy their way into public office. The only way to mount an opposition against Pelosi (aside from Republican) is to do it via a third party. I think it's interesting that the process by which the Democrats use to ensure their candidate will be the party's representative (by locking out all opposition within the party), actually encourages third parties. Funny how that works.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:36 PM
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25. more Dem bashing
DU's middle name

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:39 PM
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26. "A policy is bound to fail which deliberately violates our pledges...
Sound familiar?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Democrats are not exempt from criticism
particularly when said Democrats seem to go out of their way to earn it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:53 PM
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28. So what're you sayin? We should bash terrible Democrats? That's what we do. If you want a
lock-step party, join the republicans. Life is so much easier when everyone agrees with the Party.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:59 PM
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40. I meant "shouldn't bash terrible Democrats.". not that anyone pays attention. nm
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #25
73. Yes, because blind faith
has worked so well. :sarcasm:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:19 PM
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100. what dems? show me one espousing democratic ideals (besides the 5 or 10 we know of)
by not bashing these freaks you are standing with the neocons---it would be one thing if there was a ray of light coming from our side but we get just the oppisite so continue enabling and ignoring fact
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:23 PM
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102. Dem Underground means you dig a hole, drive Dems underground, then cover with concrete nt
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:09 PM
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140. Or maybe it means you do this
when it comes to failures by our own:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:59 PM
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:53 PM
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131. LOL
sure, whatever.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:00 PM
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29. So you are threatening Nancy? You think you can actually threaten her with replacement? LOL
Sorry Charlie, not by our current system. Nancy Pelosi is an Incumbent, with a capital I. The Democratic Party will support her to the end of the earth. She can not be replaced unless you are willing to vote republican. The Democratic Party, as far as I can tell, has never replaced an incumbent.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:42 PM
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38. so was Tom Daschle..where is he now?? oh yeah..home..eom
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:57 PM
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39. So I am interested. Did he get defeated in the primaries? nm
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:22 AM
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56. and you think South Dakota and Pelosi's SFran district are similar?
Daschle didn't lose to another Democrat in a primary, he lost to a repub in the general, in South Dakota.

Pelosi isn't losing a primary and there is no repub that is going to defeat her in the general, even if Sheehan makes a dent in the voting.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:15 PM
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142. My point exactly. Please, if anyone can give me an example of a Democrat loosing
in the primary, except Lieberman, please let me know.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:33 AM
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60. Didn't Lamont beat Lieberman in the primary? n/t
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:14 PM
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122. LAMONT
AND LIEBERMAN WAS SUPPORTED BY THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP--HILLARY, BOXER, ETC. MANY. MANY DEMS CAMPAIGNED FOR LIEBERMAN AND HE WAS STILL DEFEATED.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:26 PM
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146. So it obviously CAN be done.
Even if the insurgent dem is ultimately defeated by repubs voting for the 'independent' democrat, it would be interesting to see the line-up of democratic winners who are forced to list an "I" by their names on the roles.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:13 PM
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141. Good example. In a rare case Lamont using his personal wealth was able to defeat Lieberman
in the primary w/o the help of the Democratic Party who fought him all the way. In fact the Democratic Party helped Lieberman, an independent (but part of the beltway club) defeat Lamont the Democrat. In almost all other cases incumbents aren't even challenged in the primary. In the Lamont case, even when the grassroots wanted someone new the Party defied them.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:47 PM
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151. No, the party LEADERSHIP defied them.
WE are the party. And insurgent dems can replace those 'leaders' too.

When the leadership does not lead, but takes the party away from where the people who make up the party wish to go, they are no longer leaders. They are just a bunch of fat, rich assholes who deserve to be dumped. They are protecting their priviledge, not the party.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:07 PM
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159. "We are the party", how do you figure that? Can "we" get Nancy replaced as speaker?
Can "we" get a Democrat to challenge her in the primary? Can "we" get enough money to support a primary challenger? The answers are all no. It should be "we are the party", but it ain't so. The "bunch of fat, rich assholes", run the party and therefore are the party. "We" need to take over the party. But it will take work. More than a few emails and blog posts. "We" need to stop automatically supporting incumbents. And stop voting for lesser of evils.

The first step is to realize that we can't under the current system, replace our representatives except by voting for the party of evil. Then, and only then can we get busy fixing this system so that "we" are in fact the party.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:06 AM
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84. now that's an idea nt
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:12 PM
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31. so ..........
“We signaled change. We made a difference,” Pelosi said. “Now, in order to get more done — we can get some of it done this year — but we need a Democratic president.”

Ms. pelosi, what happens if you don't, god forbid, get a Democratic president??? Is this why you are being a doormat to the repukes? Don't count your chickens till they hatch lady.
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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:13 PM
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32. And DUer's say Cindy Sheehan would be worse...?!? (I doubt it)
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:01 AM
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80. Sheehan would never be Speaker of the House.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:12 AM
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93. And you think if Cindy won that would make her Speaker of the House???
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:20 PM
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33. Tell it, seafan!
It is the only power we have at this point. Replace those that are working AGAINST our interests. We just need to put up better candidates to defeat them in the primaries.
We need to replace traitorous Dems as well as Repubs!

Pelosi--the new Lieberman.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:33 PM
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35. Nancy, can you hear us now?
Very eloquently and succinctly put.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:31 PM
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36. AMEN! Impeach Investigate Indict Indict Indict Indict
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:34 PM by solara
INDICT INCARCERATE IMPRECATE IMPRISON


:patriot:


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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:08 AM
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67. Believe the proper sequence is
Investigate, impeach, remove from office, indict, try and imprison if guilty.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:00 AM
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79. Never let the facts get in the way of a good alliterative slogan
:D
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:55 PM
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117. Hmm, Well I used to agree with you about the order until someone explained to me that
impeachment is the process by which certain allegations are investigated, so I changed it around to Impeach, Investigate...etc....


It usually looks like this on all my posts:

INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT IMPRECATE INCARCERATE :patriot:

But I change it around sometimes to make a specific point or... just because I can

:hi:
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:03 PM
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165. Impeachment is an indictment
Impeachment is the bill of charges sent to he Senate for trial
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:31 PM
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170. Okee Dokee
Soooooo..

INVESTIGATE INDICT IMPEACH IMPRECATE IMPRISON? heh

All that really matters to me is that the bush administration is held accountable for every one of their high crimes and misdemeanors .. not to mention each and every felonious act of treason :evilgrin:


:hi:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:35 PM
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37. Agreed. n/t
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:01 PM
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41. Every Democrat except for Dennis Kuinich...
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:02 PM by Dangerman
Is a spineless, gutless coward!

:mad:
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #41
85. Check your facts.
If you're talking about the congressional membership, check the voting records before making such a false statement.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:37 PM
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43. Oh, you're making me cry it's so true ---
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:40 PM by defendandprotect
and how heart-breaking that so many investigations which should have happened are "hove to" ---


Disgusting display by the Democrats ---

I was speaking to a Green friend the other night --- and, of course, I'm here at DU . .. hoping
and hoping that something positive will come from Dems . .

We were discussing if there is anything salvagable in the party?
And/or whether Dems could possibly move quickly into a new party ---

He was reciting some of the history of the party -- some I wasn't familiar with, some I hadn't thought about ---

McCarthy Era
Vietnam
National Health Care which was supposed to be part of
the Social Security Trust ---
Truman's attack on labor ---

And now this aiding and abetting Bush re Iraq --- !!!


I can't stand it ---

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO ISN'T TAKING HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE MEDICINE --- ????


But I do know this myself --- watching C-span when Democrats had majority ---
I watched Sen. George Mitchell turn the Senate over to Sen. Bob Dole ---







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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #43
52. I am going to work hard to fix the sad, sad Democratic Party. I will also
try to see if there is an organization that is willing to challenge the beltway power structure. But I fear that we will have to wait until the system totally destructs before we have a hope of rebuilding. I am hoping it won't be too late.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #52
162. The most lossing bet isn't on the Dems, it's on Global Warming ---
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:11 PM by defendandprotect
We're almost out of time ---

And from what I can see of FEMA and this administration plans aren't actually to rescue
people from disasters, but to exploit the disasters!


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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #43
92. I'm on outrage overload-everyday it's something new and terrible
I can hardly keep up. I even asked the Carter Center if they could monitor our next election.
I've called my senators' offices, and let them know how I feel, but none of it does any good.
OUTRAGE OVERLOAD!!!!!OUTRAGE OVERLOAD!!!!
Pelosi is a huge disappointment. I don't even know when she is up for re-election. It's not this time is it?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:37 PM
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44. The story is always "We'll do something later."
First it was, "We don't have control of the House."

Then it was, "We can't go against the president after 9/11."

Then it was, "We can't do anything because we've lost the Senate."

Then it was, "We can't do anything because the war is so popular."

Then it was, "We're going to win the White House for sure in 2004, and then we'll do something."

Then it was, "We're letting the Republicans hang themselves. We're saving our indignation for something big."

Then it was, "We'll do something if you let us take both houses of Congress back."

Now it's, "We can't do anything because we don't have a veto-proof majority."

Right, but you haven't even BLOCKED anything of significance.
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:35 AM
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74. don't forget the "...gotta keep the gunpowder dry" excuse
We kept the "gunpowder" so dry for so long that the kegs finally disintegrated and it all got blown away with the wind.


Pelosi and Reid at worse are Bush's enablers and they need to step down from their leadership positions.
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flycessnas Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:40 PM
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45. Nancy Pelosi...
...has represented that district (both in its current and previous configuration) for twenty years.

She isn't going anywhere and you know it. So does she.

There will be no impeachment. It's time to move on.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:52 PM
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46. How dare she
How dare she say impeachment if off the table, she can't say that. :mad: Impeachment is part of the constitution, she doesn't get to decide what is legal and legitimate to rid this country of the crooks and liars running it. I hope she is not reelected, her district needs to wake up.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:06 AM
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49. We all need to wake up. Our system guarantees an incumbent smooth sailing thru the primaries. nm
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #46
148. As Speaker, she CAN say that,
but only if she is actively working against it. If she were to let politics run its course she would be saying 'If I am presented with a bill of impeachment that has majority support, I will do my duty as Speaker'. By saying that it is off the table, that can only mean she is actively working against any majority developing around impeachment.

It's not just counting votes - it is applying pressure where needed to GET the votes you want. Any pressure she is applying is AGAINST impeachment.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:54 PM
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47. What exactly do you mean in your subject line?
Who's re-election. What are you saying?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:06 AM
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50. I hope for a vigorous primary in her district with a great challenger.

I'm not talking about Sheehan, who is running as an independent.

The reference is to the Democratic primary.

That's a very Blue district;)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:17 AM
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53. Please, please when will people learn that the Democrats will never,ever replace an incumbent.
That's life in the Democratic party. They have the power, not the constituents. I have been begging people to help me find a single case where Democrats dumped an incumbent in the primary. Lieberman don't count because the grass roots supported Lamont but the Party didn't. In the end Lamont lost.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:21 AM
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55. I'm not saying that they would replace her, "vigorous debate."

There needs to be a consequence for sitting silent while torture took place. Besides, SF is the city where boxes of ballots were found in the Bay so, you know...

Having said that, if there is any district where this could happen, it would be hers given the makeup. A good primary would help a great deal. This is second ringer San Francisco handed off to the rest of us, the first being Feinstein. Maybe they'll get hip;)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #55
81. My point is having a "good primary" when a Democratic incumbent involved is impossible.
Just sayin.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #53
149. We are the Democratic party.
WE are the Democratic party - the leadership is not.

I say fuck lieberman and every fucking Democratic leader who supported him against Lamont, who the PEOPLE of the democratic party wanted.

Party leaders need to know that the citizens WILL give them the boot if they do not listen to us. And heresy that it is to say so, I would rather a criminal republican take office over a so-called democrat who is running against the wishes of the people he/she is supposed to serve. At least then we KNOW that we are dealing with an enemy.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:08 AM
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51. Absolutely. She's the worst. k + r
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:17 AM
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54. AMEN!
K and R
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iburl Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:57 AM
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57. IMPEACH or RESIGN
It's really that simple. You have an important job. Your job is to defend the constitution from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. The president has the same duty. He has treated the constitution as a "goddamned piece of paper".

The U.S. Constitution is our founding document. It allowed the birth of the very first modern free nation where the laws apply to all men equally instead a country ruled by a king whose only rationale for every insane whim is that God chose him through his family.

We have come full circle to Mad King George again.

Show some respect to the USA and do your duty to stop this unitary dictatorship, and damn your petty political games. Read the Constitution. Article I.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:05 AM
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59. Wow, perfectly stated. Thanks for a great post.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:57 AM
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61. Hava a Tampa! Great stuff. K*R
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Dammit Ann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:00 AM
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62. rec.
logged in purely to recommend. well said.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:26 AM
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63. She's officially made enemies with those who elected and supported her. n/t
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parkerll Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:28 AM
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65. 100% Agree
Seafan I love your post and completely agree with you. These bozos work for US. If they forget that, they need to go.
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km1550 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:52 AM
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66. Recall the stinkin' wench...
why wait till election?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:10 AM
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68. I was ready to eject her ass
the first time I heard her say "impeachment is off the table".
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:13 AM
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69. This is the reason I keep coming
back to DU. Posts like this. Brilliant! You have sent this to Nancy, haven't you? Think about offering this up as a newspaper article as well. It's that good. K & R :applause:
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:22 AM
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71. End the war Nancy? Total the sum of billions you approved of...resign. Denny Pelosi. n/t
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Solar_Power Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:42 PM
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167. Nancy the war enabler
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:30 AM
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75. I'm sure she's been paid off enough to retire and not give a damn. n/t
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:16 AM
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76. Please Oh, Please, Send this Coward Packin'!
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GreenInNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:24 AM
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77. Whatever
She will get re-elected as will 99% of the other incumbants. Don't kid yourself.
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donf Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:59 AM
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78. You're right –
giving up is a great strategy! :sarcasm: :banghead:
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covadcalifornia Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:05 AM
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83. best post of the week award
Amen!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:40 AM
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96. Well, at least we can piss and moan about it
right? :sarcasm:
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:05 AM
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82. Don't bet on it. n/t
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:08 AM
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88. EXACTLY
thanks for adding yet another voice to the chorus of voices demanding accountability in government.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:11 AM
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91. Rec number 88....
Right on target with this.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:35 AM
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95. b-i-n-g-o
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:41 AM
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97. Wowza - all these people who live in Nancy Pelosi's district
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:31 PM
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106. She won't talk to us either. In fact, remember she said
she wished she could just have us arrested?

We need all the help we can get.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:01 PM
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127. Most San Franciscans I know are very unhappy with her lack of leadership.
Simply put, her response to this criminal administration has been -- at best -- mediocre.

I also believe there are key Democratic party members in the House who are unwilling to ally with her beyond the most superficial level. In all fairness, the lack of any coordinated vision and leadership (in response to this administration) is systemic; the blame can be shared by more than just the Speaker.

Will anyone challenge her seat? No, that doesn't seem likely. It wouldn't fit into the local party's strategic plan and there are a lot of complicated political relationships here (and everywhere else, yes?).

Granted, this is my subjective opinion -- feel free to disagree.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:59 AM
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98. Great post, one of the best I've ever seen
This says it all..."It's not that you 'do not have the votes'. It's that you do not have the courage." Our representatives have let us all down.


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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:25 PM
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103. People in Florida sent Pelosi to Washington?
That'll come as news to the people of SF.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:32 PM
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108. Progressives in San Francisco would appreciate some back up. n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:27 PM
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105. Herding cats is easier than leading the Democrats in the house
Trying to lead the vast differences in opinions represented by the party of the people in the lower house of congress (which is more beholden to their district constituents) is a job that I or most DUers would not want to do.

It's easy as fuck to the lead the Republican party because they do what they are told. It's not easy to lead the Democratic party. I have the deepest respect for Madam Speaker. People in America know her name. They don't know many of the other big names out there.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:34 PM
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111. Please don't interrupt the sea of hatred here
We have an opportunity to take over the Presidency & increase our majorities and end once and for all the Republican "Block and Blame" strategy that so many gullible DUers are succumbing to here. Don't try to talk sense to those who can't stop blaming the Dems for every ill.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:02 PM
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137. hughmorgan-there are very few democrats-look at voting records
indeed your idea to increase majorities and take the presidency with the current crew involved is a recipe for further disaster-AGAIN LOOK AT VOTING RECORDS
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:58 PM
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153. No, we would depend less on the marginal Democrats
It's so common sense, I can't believe you don't see it. The only explanation for some not wanting to promote Democrats here is that they are Republicans - no? I'm not accusing you of anything, but what is out next best alternative? Nobody is going to challenge Nancy from the left - unless you consider Cindy a threat - I don't. Please, lets offer solutions and not just act like Freepers pissing and moaning the days away.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:33 PM
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110. the more I hear these Senators and Reps
they are willing to run out the clock until November 2008, this is criminal, these thugs will cause even more damage in the remaining time they have left, or I hate to speculate on this will these thugs (*co and cabal) be that willing to give up the power they stole. I feel very uneasy about this, this Congress be it both Repigs and Dems are being very non-chalant about the whole thing.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:45 PM
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115. I'm still curious about who is a threat to her re-election.
Anyone?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:54 PM
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116. Just naval gazing
It's what we do since promoting alternate candidates is boring. :D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:58 PM
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118. I wonder why other people holding their government accountable
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:59 PM by sfexpat2000
is such a problem for you. Or, why insulting people for expressing their opinion seems appripriate to you? Is it other people you have a problem with or, is it just democracy or is this an act to illustrate your user name?



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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:54 PM
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152. Holding people accountable is fine
If all we do is scream red-faced and no action is taken, then it is futility. That's all I was telling the person I was AGREEING with. I was not insulting anyone - caveat emptor my friend.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:38 PM
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126. Got that right! n/t
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meowomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:11 PM
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128. When does she run again?
I'll send a donation to a real progressive Democrat who runs against her.

Get some ovaries, Nancy and stand up to the Bush Klan! We the people need you now more than ever!
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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:47 PM
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130. Cindy Sheehan wasn't no impeachment, but no-oo, DUer's said no-way to her...
Anyone who can successfully beat the Bush Impeachment war drum and can do so professionally is a-oik with me. Anyone in here been to Crawford?? e-v-e-r???
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:56 PM
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135. Sheehan is running as an Independent, so supporting her is against DU rules. nt
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jfippse Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:02 PM
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132. Pelosi
She is the leader of the pack of a bunch of spineless, gutless Democrats who have detrayed the American people and have become allied with the worst "president" in the long, long history of Earth, George W. Bush. It is sad, but I am beginning to feel as though I am now living in the former United States of America. If 2008 does not bring change. We are doomed as a once great nation.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:52 PM
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134. pelosi's legacy? the woman who should have but didn't. the woman who
let down the democratic party.

k&r
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:04 PM
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138. her epitath FRAUD
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:05 PM
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139. She has let down not just the Democratic party, but the whole world.
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:18 PM
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143. We, the voters, didn't elect her
They, the voters of California's 8th District did. It's them you need to convince, not Democrats on a national level.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:20 PM
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144. Bravo.
K&R.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:22 PM
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145. Agreed nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:14 PM
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156. Unless someone stronger than her, runs against her, and wins
she will get re-elected , or a republcian will replace her ..not likely..

She just needs to lose the speakership to someone with some guts & vision.. Nancy does not have "it"..
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:10 PM
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161. The loss of the Speakership is the ultimate answer. A House decision to replace her is warranted.
Every Representative should hear from constituents to begin the process to do just that. It is a full House vote for Speaker. This is how we all can get involved, in pressuring our Reps for a change in leadership.

We simply cannot survive another 12 months of Ms. Pelosi's ineffectiveness.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:08 PM
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163. The only way..
... we are going to change the mindset of the Dems in congress is to strip them of their prestigous jobs. Sending a few of them home will make them understand that their responsibility is to US.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:19 PM
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164. Nancy Hastert. n/t
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:37 PM
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166. I will not vote for a coward.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:34 AM
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169. I agree.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:51 PM
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168. Her response:
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