I guess I'm just disappointed that so many DUers are falling for this crap.

[Atman]

How obvious can it be what is going on? We've all whined here for seven years that the press is Bush's back pocket, that the corporate media is backing the GOP because it is in their best interest to do so, etc, etc, etc...and now, those same media outlets are blasting messages at us 24/7...all about the racist white woman and the druggie black man.

Is it really that difficult to understand what is happening? Does anyone really think all those old rich white men on the GOP side have NO skeletons in their closets (Rudy's closet notwithstanding...it was hard to ignore, so they gave his peccadilloes two or three hours of coverage about a month ago).

The GOP is in serious, serious trouble, and they have the worst slate of candidates to come along in generations. The mood of the American people is so sour right now that most of the GOP field would lose a race for Dog Catcher. So what is GOP-backed corporate media gonna do? They're going to ignore their own candidates, unless to mention how awesome they are, while telling America that ALL -- all TWO -- of the Democratic candidates are liars, racists, druggies, etc, etc, etc.

Be afraid, America! is the message. Not of terrorists anymore, not of losing your homes or your jobs or your health care...be afraid of uppity white women and druggie black men. They won't even mention Edwards because if they did he'd kick their rich white guys' asses from here 'till Super Tuesday. And they know it.

They know it, and they're terrified of it.

It seems like many DUers have forgotten so many of the things about the GOP and their scummy, hate-filled tactics that we've discussed in well over a million posts. The GOP is backed by the media, the media is backed by the GOP, and therefore the expectation from anyone on DU that Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or John Edwards is going to receive honest coverage is naive and contrary to everything we should have learned after seven years of this bullshit.

One of our candidates WILL win. That is a good thing, if only to give us our own ass-kicking material to use when against the GOP in the next term(s). But make no mistake...this battle in the media won't end in November. The day after the election a whole new ballgame begins, and they'll be even more fierce and riled up than they were before. Remember, it wasn't the American People who called for Bill Clinton's impeachment, it was the GOP losers, fully supported by the media. And they'll try it again. Maybe no impeachment, but they'll be investigations, scandals, the whole nine yards. Rove is NOT home spending time with the family. Those beakers were all destroyed by the lab. He's been home refining their tactics off-the-books, so to speak.

It hasn't even begun to get ugly. There are BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of dollars at stake, a megalomaniac's legacy, an entire industry's fortunes...they're not just going to roll over for us. Stop thinking Hillary is accusing Obama or Obama is accusing Hillary...the MEDIA is taking their cues from the GOP leadership on what non-stories to peddle. The more we buy into it, the better their chances are for fucking the NEXT administration, too.

We let them get away with it once. We can't let them do it again.

Peace, everybody.

.

[liberal N proud]

1. AMEN!

[Kikosexy2]

65. Like I ..

keep saying the safe bet is Edwards as the nominee...avoid Oprah...Obama is too green around the gills...not his time right now...Hillary is too hated all around (for some reason why I don't know exactly...maybe it's fashionable to hate Hillary)

[alllyingwhores]

85. Exactly...the GOP/NeoCons/corporate media want Clinton or Obama to win--

because they know that it's a WIN WIN WIN WIN.

1) Clinton wins the Democratic nomination and loses in the Presidential selection--because a lot of people apparently hate her and/or won't select a woman. THEY WIN.

2) Or, she wins the nomination and is somehow selected as President and she's already a bought a paid for corporatist. THEY WIN.

3) Or, Obama wins the Democratic nomination and loses in the Presidential selection--because a lot of people in the country are apparently racist. THEY WIN.

4) Or, Obama wins the nomination and is somehow selected as President and makes good on his pledge to jump across the aisle to "work" with the "opposition" party--Pelosi and Reid style. THEY WIN.

[Seabiscuit]

102. BINGO! And that's why the only one they fear is Edwards. n/t

[ChiciB1]

163. And It Would Be QUITE A MIRACLE When Democrats Start Understanding

what JOHN EDWARDS is trying to do!! But, you are correct... they DIVIDE US, and THEY CONQUER!!

Very simple, but you said it well even with many more words!!

[Hutzpa]

150. I certainly

don't agree on all your count, I think it will be better to work with them than to fight, have you heard the saying "if you can't beat them, join them" I'm sure you have, the only way (now take note)you can get to change things is for them to show you what they've done this past eight years.

Fighting them will send everything underground where after 100 days the Dems will get all the blame for * disaster.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

156. BINGO FOR YOU, REMEMBER THE MEDIA IS THE PROPAGANDIST

[Seabiscuit]

103. Hillary is hated by the GOP because

her name is Clinton, and she was Bill's first lady, and they hate Bill Clinton because he came out of nowhere and denied Poppy a second term in 1992 (and just as bad, Bill won a 2nd term in 1996), at a time the GOP thought, after 12 years of owning the White House, that they would never lose their grip on that power. The LAST thing they want is to see Bill and Hillary back in the White House.

That's why the MSM has been plugging Obama since Iowa, because (1) he showed he could beat Hillary, so (2) he may do their dirty work for them by denying Hillary even the nomination, and (3), well he's black, doncha know, and they don't think Americans will ever elect a minority as President, and (4) he's relatively inexperienced, and is a Dem in the mold of Reid and Pelosi and Lieberman with his "unity" and "bipartisanship" message, and would be easily bullied and manipulated if by some freak accident he ever actually made it into the White House.

[Hutzpa]

152. Now hold on there...

and they hate Bill Clinton because he came out of nowhere and denied Poppy a second term in 1992 (and just as bad, Bill won a 2nd term in 1996), at a time the GOP thought, after 12 years of owning the White House, that they would never lose their grip on that power.

Bill and Poppy have been working together, hating each other....ha...thats an understatement.


The bottom line is the Dems have a better field advantage than they do, and our line up has never been better....a'mean hell Bush has made it more difficult for a white man to become President, and they know that.

He has done such a bad job that, even they (repugs) are cringing just thinking about a white man at the white house.

Edwards, Obama and Hillary, I will take anyone of them any time of the day over what those fucks have as a lineup.

[Seabiscuit]

189. Now hold your horses...

I don't consider this our best field of candidates ever.

I fear that if it's Obama, they'll walk all over him during the general election process.

If it's Hillary, they'll whoop up hate-Clinton hysteria in the press to a level never before witnessed.

Edwards is the only one the GOP is afraid of. They really have nothing on him, besides a haircut. They'll be forced to discuss the issues, meaning they lose. Any lies they make up about him will be swiftly and deftly disposed of by Edwards. No one running this year can begin to match his intellectual acuity.

[electropop]

169. Edwards is openly anti-corporatist, and he knows how to kick

corporate ass. He's death to the evil empire, so we need to get behind him loudly.

[SammyWinstonJack]

186. ...

:thumbsup:

[PurpleChez]

185. I agree!

I'm excited by Obama but I worry that he's not experienced enough (although how could anyone be less qualified than the Chimperor?). And while I'm not a Hillary Fan neither am I a hater. (And I too wonder about the source or the intense hatred that the right feels toward her...I've raised the question and have never received a satisfying answer....) I worry that if Hil is the nominee she'll split her own party and simultaneously unite every RW nut ball who thinks she's a combination of Madame Mao and Lucifer...just drive around Atlanta and you'll see "stop Hillary" billboards...no one ever says WHY. Sorry to ramble.... Peace out, y'all.

[pauldg0]

100. Sorry to take cuts, but this just came up...I've been praying for this

...and look what I found...

Accounts of Edwards Electoral Death Are Perhaps Premature
Posted January 14, 2008 | 02:43 PM (EST)


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Read More: Barack Obama, Democratic Primaries, John Edwards, John Edwards Nevada, Nevada Caucus, Breaking Politics News



Perhaps all the folks who keep wanting to count Edwards out, should note this poll on Nevada (hat tip David Sirota):

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Barack Obama: 32 percent

Hillary Clinton: 30 percent

John Edwards: 27 percent


It's still close, and Edwards' delegate count is just fine, thanks. He's in the running to be kingmaker at the convention, and if something unpredictable happens, he's still within distance to win it all. He'd be a fool to step out now. Nor does the fact that South Carolina is polling badly for him mean much--it's only one state.

Next, a word for Obama supporters who want Edwards to step out, from Krugman:

Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama's supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
I would add that he also uses right wing frames far more often that the other two, his senior economic advisers are virtualy reactionaries and talk of "hope" doesn't make you a progressive. (Remember Mr. "Morning in America" Reagan if you are inclined to disagree.)

It remains unclear to me that Edwards' supporters would go to Obama if Edwards dropped out, but the bottom line is simpler--there is no reason for Edwards to drop out. He's still in the running, and if he wants to choose which of the other candidates wins if he doesn't, walking into the convention with a block of delegates large enough to do it is the best way.



And Obama isn't Edwards--he is significantly to the right of Edwards and on the fight/compromise spectrum he is actually the most conciliatory of the three candidates. Edwards supporters want a fighter; that isn't Obama.

Edwards is alive and kicking, and a force to be reckoned with. There's no good reason for him to ever drop out of the nomination contest. Time for Obama supporters to tend to their own campaign, not to Edwards.

[Seabiscuit]

104. Krugman always seems to get it right, doesn't he?

I'm encouraged to see that Nevada is now a 3-way toss-up. Who knows? Maybe it's Edwards' turn to win a state. Wouldn't that be something? Obama wins Iowa, Clinton wins NH, and Edwards takes Nevada. That would certainly mess with those pig brains in the MSM.

[Pierzin]

121. Nice to see an Edwards supporter out there

Amen.

[anniebelle]

123. Thank you so much for posting this.

It never ceases to amaze me how easily they 'play' us. This whole so-called 'racial' divide DOES NOT exist in our party -- NEVER HAS, but boy ol' Karl Rove can really get us to dance, can't he? If the MSM tells us we have only two candidates running, we accept that, so far it's working. They're testing the waters now to get us: Number 1 - to eat our own. Number 2 - to give them some kind of outlet into the WH for '08. Are we going to let them? It's up to US to stop this and stop it now. By the way, Dan Abrams of MSNBC had an excellent segment last night on how the media is fanning the flames.

[H2O Man]

2. Peace

Nominated

[conscious evolution]

3. Well said.

Divide and conquer.
Its all they got left.

[emilyg]

45. I agree.

[iris5426]

192. me too

[bigbrother05]

4. Rove has a Family?

[Bobbieo]

11. Geoge W. Bush has no prejudice against race. color or creed as

long as those people are rich and powerful. He is against the poor and struggling middle class of all races, colors and creeds. Let's keep that in mind and quit our bickering if we want to get in the WH next November.

[bigbrother05]

18. Just trying to keep the mood light

I have not responded to any of the crazy post, but seems as soon as something positive is posted,
the shit hits the fan.
I don't know why they are falling into this media trap.

[Fresh_Start]

5. Divide and conquer

create fake racism/sexism BS

[babylonsister]

6. Peace back atcha. Great post! nt

[juajen]

7. Not me. I swear i will no longer even contribute to divisive posts

on this Board. I wish all DUers would join me.

[libbygurl]

61. I'm trying to do that, too. Sick of the bickering here, exactly what the MSM want us to do. nt

[Pierogi_Pincher]

112. My vow. n/t

[zabet]

Word.

:toast:

[Labors of Hercules]

8. Here's a perfect Example: "Could Race Destroy the Democrats?"... TIME:

Right smack on the Yahoo front page:

"Whenever longtime Democrats gather to note how the chemistry and calculus of the 2008 campaign seem to favor their party this year, one or another will always add some version of the following: "Yeah, but we could screw this up before it's over."

After the past few days, the pertinent question to ask is, is the crack-up happening already? Far-fetched as it would have seemed a month ago, the seeds of self-destruction are being planted in the war of coded words about race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The bickering has exploded in the space of a week into Topic A in the Democratic race, supplanting for the moment the war and the economy and health care - and shows no sign of a quick resolution.

So yes, are the Democrats about to screw it up yet again?"...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080114/us_time/couldracedestroythedemocrats

I'VE HAD IT WITH THE FUCKING REPUKE PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT!!!! :grr:

[ChiciB1]

164. ME TOO! But So Many Democrats Are Buying It Hook, Line & Sinker Too!

I've tried and tried for MONTHS & MONTHS & MONTHS to stay positive for the most part, but as time goes by, I've gotten more and more BITTER!

I was already cynical, but bitterness has become just an added burden that makes me feel like this country is nothing more than BOUGHT & SOLD! WE Buy, THEY Sell, and WE get screwed in the end!

[pleah]

9. Bullseye! K&R. I avoid most political threads because they are just nonsense.

Also, when watching the news, I find the mute button quite effective. Some people just can't seem to get past their emotions to see what is really going on.

[lyonn]

177. Bought and Paid for keeps coming into my mind

First we start with the media, they are truly the bottom line. This race-gender thing is totally boring and yet that is all we are hearing when it comes to the Dems. BUT, the repub candidates get treated like they have deep thoughts?? Ugh

We can't fight the media. I just heard on MSNBC that Edwards was going to be in Okla. today. I would love to have gone since Okla. seldom gets candidates to show up. Part of it is my fault since I refuse to watch the local news and read the Oklahoman newspaper. You think the MSM is bad you should hear the crap that is spouted in the OKC area. We have a Democratic Governor and he keeps things moving nicely with no fanfare. Not true when Keating was our Gov., pure whiny, bitched about everything, even got right to work passed, then all the big companies left anyway. A real jerk!! Now we have Inhofe and Coleman representing us in D.C.

I live near the river, low land, and I have a neighbor that has decided that we are somehow damming up water on our property and has called the local Fox news to investigate us. My husband explained to Fox that the water table is up and that any rain/snow tends to just stand there rather than soak in, duh. Today my grandson said our road was blocked due to people taking pictures of our property and road. I'm surrounded by the crazies. They No Doubt vote repub., they don't know the Dems are the ones that really care about the idiots!!

Too much info but just had to vent. Spent the holidays in So. Cali and it's a whole different world. I know there are real people out there I just don't encounter them that often. They work at Walmart and vote repub??

[pleah]

179. I know how you feel. I live in Mississippi.

[lyonn]

197. Pretty bad when you mis-identify your senator

Coburn is the name. Truth is I go to the polls and vote Dem and totally (try) to ignore our goofy repubs. We have or had a Coleman, see what I mean? Repubs on Ignore......

When Coburn came out today for McCain I realized my mistake. Sorry for this representative in our govt., I voted against him.

[Kurovski]

10. K&R. (nt)

[Left coast liberal]

12. So true. Thank god for the internet is all I can say! nt

[watrwefitinfor]

13. Can we get this to the top of the Greatest Page?

Can we get Skinner to pin it up there somewhere?
Thank you, Atman!

Wat

[Desertrose]

14. Seriously...can there be any worse GOP-ers than GWB?

I agree that we are our own worst enemy.

Think one of these days we'd learn, wouldn't ya??

*sigh*

[blondeatlast]

15. Indeed. K&R. nt

[bonito]

16. K&R n/t

[halobeam]

17. Yes, the media is even framing our conversations here.

I would love to see the majority of threads just ripping into the differences and similarities of the actually policies of our own candidates right now.

I know it's spread throughout the threads here, but it really isn't the majority of the headline threads. Today there were a few that linked to all the candidates positions on imp. issues. I was so happy to see that. It was however, very simple (the article, not the postings on the threads) and we could've jumped off from there into considerable detail on each issue w/ each candidate. We have the greatest debaters right here.

Thanks for saying what you did. Much appreciated.

[sandnsea]

19. A Voter Disenfranchisement law suit is happening

The people who are ignoring it sicken me.

[BlackVelvet04]

20. I'm not so sure about that.....

"One of our candidates WILL win. "


If the bashing of Clinton and Obama keeps up in the MSM we could possibly lose this election.

[dkofos]

21. If clinton or obama win the election we still loose.

[ginnyinWI]

28. We win if any Dem gets in.

Maybe some more than others, but they will all work with the Dem majority in the legislative branch to improve things.

I will vote for the Dem nominee. Any one of them is going to be a hundred times better than any Republican.

[dkofos]

34. More of the same is not a win. It may be a win for the party, but it won't be

for the American people.

[blondeatlast]

43. President McCain is a win for the American people--riiight.

:sarcasm:

Spare me the sociopathic purity. My country is desperate.

[beltanefauve]

91. Except that

John Paul Stevens ain't getting any younger. And that's just the Supreme Court. The next President, or pResident, could seriously tip the balance of the courts. We've already seen what's happened with the GOPee in power.

[EV_Ares]

42. No, you may not be as happy about it and I may not be as happy about it but

we do not lose overall. Clinton or Obama is much better than if a republican would win. If that were to occur, then we would truly lose.

[Martin Eden]

60. I don't understand what you mean.

"Loose" rhymes with juice, and doesn't mean the same as "lose" which rhymes with cruise.

Yeah, I know, I'm being anal, but I'm sick of seeing that extra 'o' over and over and over again. It's not a typo -- too many people are doing it.

[BeFree]

22. They ripped us off before

...and they'll rip us off again. How do you think they got into office? They stole our votes and all we've done is whimper and moan.

There still are folks on DU who think the 2004 election was fair and square. I can't believe DUers are still falling for this crap.

[bagrman]

89. I can't understand why any one would think that the primary won't be stolen. They wan't Clinton.....

They'll make it look like a race and then the vote will follow their made up polls and wa-la Clinton gets the nod and we get the shaft. She's repuke lite as far as I'm concerned and we don't win anything, our economy is propped up and ready to collapse and they will give us Clinton and then the Dums will be blamed for the mess. We're screwed.

[kimmerspixelated]

23. You're absolutely right.

Rove is most likely working on alternative "math" regarding "glitches". Because of this, I'm not sure we will win. Oh, most folks will vote for a Dem, no doubt, but as far as out and out winning, the rethugs, as you indicate, will definitely want to hold onto their zillions, and will do anything to keep it. The media is a major problem and is getting worse by the moment. SOmetimes I think the dragonslayers should come after them first!

[dog_lovin_dem]

24. Thank you so much

for injecting some sanity and reality into this mess. I may not post much, but I come here to get away from the crap being spouted by the corporate media and recently, that is almost impossible to do. You hit the nail on the head. I hope everyone here listens.

[The_Commonist]

25. It's time to turn off the TV

That's going to be the only way to curb their power. Turn off the TV. Stop giving them our eyeballs. Remove their influence from our lives, and the profits that drives it all. Turn off the TV and there won't be any more crap to fall for!

Starting... Now!

[capi888]

26. Finally someone has spoken TRUTH..

I have had to stay away from DU. All I could think about was how GOP people scanning the blog, seeing the devisiveness here. Running ALL candidates in the ground...and they had their red meat.
Thank you so much for posting this!!!
They don't get it..really don't. If we lose this election, I don't want to even think of the outcome!

[suffragette]

27. "It hasn't even begun to get ugly."

Afraid that is true and we're just seeing the warm-up to the fully heated crap that's going to be thrown this year.

Well said and peace to you, too.

[OneGrassRoot]

29. I couldn't agree more. K&R n/t

[Joe Fields]

30. My sentiments exactly. Well said, Atman. Recommended!

[flyarm]

31. the one they have blacklisted and won't mention scares them the most ..and

scares them shitless!!

Edwards...

and we know it..

and those of us who have paid attention know why!!

fly for Edwards!

[DainBramaged]

32. Well spoken, peace to you too

[pingzing58]

33. Great post Atman!!!! Thanks.

[redwitch]

35. thank you!

k&r

[MagsDem]

36. I don't agree

Unfortunately, sad to say, this country is too racially prejudiced to elect a black man as president, and it's questionable that they will elect a woman. If McCain wins the nomination, and they can keep Iraq looking somewhat peaceful over the next year, he will win against both Hillary or Obama.

But, the Dem base is more concerned with party purity, so we're kind of stuck, and I think we very well could lose because of that. I could live with any of the Dems (although I think it's foolish to say a guy whose highest office was a state senator role up until 2 years ago is qualified to be president), but Edwards is the only one that can prevail.

NH should have shown us that people lie like a rug to pollsters. I learned it the hard way working on state GLBT issues. People don't want to appear prejudiced or biased to pollsters, but when they get in the voting booth they have no problem showing their true bigoted colors.

[anamandujano]

57. I agree about the "party purity." K&R

People here expect too much. Wanting is one thing, demanding or refusing to vote for a compromiser is defeatist. The OP is correct, the MSM is scum and directing the national debate. It would be nice if the candidates would ignore that game and not play into it as much as possible.

[Pierogi_Pincher]

114. IIRC, someone called it the 'Media Slime Machine'! n/t

[earth mom]

166. I disagree. If Obama gave up that corporate money and walked the talk, DUers would support him

and so would the rest of the country.

We are in a CLASS WAR. Obama is putting himself on the wrong side when he takes corporate money & kisses corporate a$$. Same with Hillary. Simple as that.

[yellerpup]

37. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Needed to be said and thanks for saying it so well. K&R!

[FlyingSquirrel]

38. The good news is, this time there'll be PROGRESSIVE talk radio

to combat the sore losers on the Repug side who will of course IMMEDIATELY begin tearing down the new Democratic president.

God, I hope it will be a Democratic president.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

39. Peace to all of us. Great OP!

K & R

[Rex]

40. The GOP is toast. Even they know it, look at the M$M working overtime

to help the GOP. Current news? Mitt TOO handsome and perfect! The Dems? Clinton and Obama killing each other. :eyes:

Quiet desperation is the GOP way.

[renegade000]

41. kick and rec

:dem:

[2beToby]

44. Your post to everyone's ears.

I'm getting the feeling that I'm going to be very disappointed with the next POTUS. Whoever it is.

I can't agree that a Democrat is better than nothing. A Democrat who holds true to Democratic practices--well, that'd be a start.

We've got a long, long way to go.

[kikiek]

46. I emailed campaigns about it yesterday. Enough is enough from all. Our best chance

in years, and we are squandering it.

[stevedeshazer]

47. Peace.

:)

[spanone]

48. strange days....

r

[xchrom]

49. i'm recommending this on the notion that the media is indeed not the friend of either

the people or liberal/progressives.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

50. Great post!!! Thank you, Atman ... K&R

[WillyT]

51. Big K & R !!!

:patriot::kick::patriot:

[santamargarita]

52. Excellent post Atman, thanks.

You're right, these scumbags won't go quietly. It's up to us to chase these snakes back under their rocks - and keep them there!

[Barb in Atl]

53. K&R

Thanks!

I'm so glad that I have enough posts now to do that!

[bvar22]

54. self-delete.

Good Post.
:toast:

[Bethany Rockafella]

55. You are so right on!

"Rove is NOT home spending time with the family."

You're damn right. He is still getting paid by the GOP and he is earning his pay.

[go west young man]

56. Damn right! It's time to sink the GOP for good.

And time for us to all stand against the corporate media. They do not have our best interest at heart. So let's quit believing their tripe.

[JerseygirlCT]

58. Absolutely! nt

[ldf]

59. excellent post!

:thumbsup:

[Spiffarino]

62. I don't support Hillary and Barack in the primary because...

...I believe they more closely represent the corporate backsliding wing of the Democratic Party. They're good people and either would make a decent president. They just don't speak to me. That said, they'll get my vote no matter what if either gets nominated.

The primary is where you choose who you like best.
The general election is where you pick the one you dislike least.

I don't pay attention at all to the RW media, CNN, Wapo, NYT, or any of the other corporate crapmongers. I pay attention to a candidate's message, and John Edwards' message moves me.
But once the GOP cranks up its campaign machinery of lies, half-truths and smears then any Democratic nominee will get all the time and money I can spare. They must be defeated and put back into their box for many, many years.

[The Wizard]

76. Put back in their box

and a stake driven through the heart of the vampire known as the GOP. These scumbags have been parasites sucking the life out of our democracy. They must die screaming.

[Spiffarino]

101. From your keyboard...

...to God's ear.

[zingaro]

183. I'm willing to melt some jewelry

for a round of silver bullets. :)

[warrior1]

63. You nailed it

Thank you man.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

64. Obama & drug use - what about * and his drugs & drinking

When a repug brings up the issue about Obama I mention that that might make him a good president, because if Bush did it why not someone else. If it wasn't a problem with Bush why should it be an issue with anyone else.

[beltanefauve]

92. One of them lied

about their drug use, and one of them didn't. I'd rather have the truth-teller, thank you!

[tom_paine]

66. K & R

[SIMPLYB1980]

67. K&R! Thank you!

[bjobotts]

68. Why would U think DUers are buying this crap? Google Operation Mockingbird.

[Wednesdays]

69. Let me say this...

I've put a lot of people who have been particularly venomous in their attacks against others, on "ignore." Dozens, in fact.

I find it very telling that I see very few "ignored" among the respondents of this thread.

[WHAT]

70. whaddaya 'spect, third generation...

...

[muyojoe]

71. I'M NOT FALLING FOR IT,

I think the clinton camp is deliberately baiting him, and he is falling for it. Not a tactic I approve of, and his response is not one I respect. I personally think they want him to pull the race card, so it will drive away white voters from his camp. But I digress, the press hasn't had anything juicy to talk about between the democratic runners, and they are jumping on the first thing they see. It will all pass, and I'm not taking it personally. If this makes anyone not vote democratic in the final election, because they're candidate got sidelined now, then they are fools. The last eight years show why we should never let these idiots in charge of everything again.

[femrap]

72. Also...we are succombing to their

common strategy of 'Divide and Conquer' by pitting women against blacks, young against old, and the one candidate who is actually NOT TAKING $$ FROM THE CORPORATIONS AND LOBBYISTS and is the most inclined to help regular working folks is the southern white guy who gets NO coverage whatsoever.

Be smart!

Great post, Atman. Thx.

[mirrera]

73. You are so right! n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

74. Great post!

Awesome!

[comradebillyboy]

75. OK you are right, I will try to be nicer

but I will still respond sharply to posts that really offend my sensibilities.

[donheld]

77. Kick and Recommend

[live love laugh]

78. I am not fooled and if you look at the posts, you'll see the same folks over and over

stirring up dissension.

Just because people like me don't join in the fray, doesn't mean we aren't around.

This too shall pass.

[liberalla]

79. Randi Rhodes did a great show on this topic today.

I didn't know a lot of DUers were 'falling' for this crap...
The whole thing is distorted.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

93. Well, there's Du'ers and then there are newbies who come here to trash anyone who isn't their

candidate.

Not to say there aren't true blue DUers that aren't firmly backing one of the candidates and can mix it up with the best of them. But they are Democrats and will, even grudgingly, fall in behind our G.E. candidate.

However, quite a few new posters come here showing ugly right away, because they believe that their candidate is the essence of good and their D opponents are scum sucking weasels. No understanding that the Democratic party fracturing behavior is exactly what the GOP oil/big pharma/insurances whores are banking on.

It's discouraging because they aren't seeing past the cult of personality to the big picture. :-( MKJ

[midnight]

175. I know... I was a Howard Dean supporter. It was hard to walk

away from the Dr. perscription to heal this country. But I did get behind Kerry in the end. I will also listen to the good Dr.Dean's advice and get behind the primary winner.

[candymarl]

80. K & R

Just pointed this out, though not as well, on another liberal site.

[CaptJasHook]

81. Wish I could K&R

Awesome, Awesome, Awesome!!!!!

[sandyj999]

82. I just don't listen to it anymore.

I have reached the age where I make my own decisions and also know crap when I hear it. It's fascinating to watch the maneuvering but sad to see people dividing because of it. Use your own minds and don't be tricked, it's that important this time!

[Marrah_G]

83. I am also disappointed

This is not something that Obama or Hillary will win, this is something who's only winner will be the GOP.

Here on DU we are supposed to be more informed then the general public and understand how the MSM is used to spread disinformation, but I see even seasoned Duers falling for this hook line and sinker. They cannot get enough and are sure they are helping their candidate. What they are doing is feeding the careful orchestrated plans of the GOP to have our party, which should be strong, turn on itself. This is the only way the GOP can win in November.

I've taken to ignoring the posters of every single thread hit piece posted on DU because reading the responses to such threads is causing me to lose a great deal of respect for people I was held in high esteem.

It is very sad indeed.

[upi402]

84. Blackballing Kucinich says it all

And DUers are falling for the propaganda debasing Kucinich too.

[tomp]

140. that's the real crap that du'ers are falling for.

how any progressive person can listen to kucinich and not support him over the inferior big three is beyond me and is the major part of the problem we face in the primaries. when you back the wrong candidate(s) you become more vulnerable and run into liabilities.

[Raster]

86. Tell It! Kicked and Recommended!

Wake up America!:kick:

[Canuckistanian]

87. Look what they did to McCain in 2000

Not that I'm defending McCain, but the hatchet job they did on one of their own was vicious.

What they're doing now to the Dem candidates is much more subtle. And according to my observations, much more deadly.

All the Dems aren't so far apart. Any ONE of them would do America proud in the long run.

The only advice I could offer is - keep your own counsel. ASSUME that the MSM is lying to you or trying to manipulate you. Pay attention to the issues, NOT the personalities.

And most of all, recognize who the TRUE enemies of the American dream are - the ones advocating for the status quo.

[psychmommy]

88. thank you, thank you

we don't have to feed into it on our boards. we don't have to feed into the media bullcrap. if nowhere else the issues and the news we can't get from the msm need to continue here. i am tired of seeing my candidate is the best posts everywhere even the lounge. this is my sanity and now it is crazy here. no more. we should sink these post as soon as they start send them to gd-p-where they belong. they are trying to keep us from learning about what is really going on.

[Atman]

90. Wow.

I'm humbled.

I didn't expect this...I was just venting a little before I headed off to get some work done.

I'm not pledging to never post anything negative again. But I do pledge to seriously limit the snark-for-snark sake. I just think we've got to stop this nonsense and focus on what is really real, not what the corporate bastards tell us is real when in fact they're only manipulating us in order to get what THEY want, not what we want, not what we NEED as a nation.

The GOP told us Clinton's romp with Monica was the downfall of America because it sent the message that cheating was okay. But the cheating they're doing is so much more insidious, so much more dangerous, so much more of a very real threat to our country. What kind of message has the GOP's hatred and greed sent the next generation? They can't say one had an affect and the other doesn't.

Thank you, everyone. It's the responses like those you've posted which emit rays of hope. Now...onward to kick some GOP ass, right?

.

[prairierose]

But you expressed what so many of the ...

sane people here have been thinking. I have been looking around du and wondering what on earth people are thinking. I thought that people here at least knew the corporate media's game and could avoid it but no.... so many ridiculous posts dragging the stupid stories to a new level of stupidity. Ignore the corporate media whores. Nothing they say is for the good of the people. Most of what they say they made up anyway.

Thanks for the dose of sanity, Atman.

[robbedvoter]

94. hear!Hear!

[rhett o rick]

95. I totally agree that we would do better if we didn't get into the slug fests.

However, we will choose one of these candidates and then all our finely tuned fervor can be unleashed on the hapless republicans. And I think they are in for a surprise. Democrats are fighters by nature and disagree on lots of issues among ourselves but we have one thing in common, and you know what it is, if I said it I wouldn't be able to behave and would get this post deleted.

[mylight]

96. Right/wrong

Right -The GOP is in serious, serious trouble, and they have the worst slate of candidates to come along in generations.
Wrong - Media is not in Bush's back pocket. Evidence to the contrary. I would submit the media is wherever there is muck raking. That is what sells. They care little about politics, but embrace that which gets attention. To that end, all who latch on to their reporting, in essence, support the status quo.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

97. The coroporate owners of NBC rake in billions because of WAR.

I'd say there might be a bit of interest in keeping the military industrial complex going strong. MKJ

[Atman]

98. Welcome to DU. Even if you're half wrong!

The media indeed has everything to be gained by a continuation of Bush-style corporate governance. Bush awarded them HUGE favors for their support, and a non-corporate administration could easily attempt to reinstate fairness and consolidation rules.

Think about what you said for a moment...79% percent of Americans want a different course from that which Bush has set the nation on. If the media just follows the money, as you say, they'd be following OUR will, not doing the Republican's dirty work, the work of the 17% who support Bush policies, don't you think?

(My source for those numbers is polling released today and reported on on KO tonight).

.

[OzarkDem]

99. Good point, there are trillions at stake

and they've had plenty of time to prepare.

[hisownpetard]

105. Great post! Thank you.

[cooolandrew]

106. I say ignore the commentary just listen to the candidates is the best way forward.

[cooolandrew]

107. I say ignore the commentary just listen to the candidates is the best way forward. Cspan is best.

[drmeow]

108. I've always said that

nothing will change until the media consolidation is stopped. I think any single group or individual should only be allowed to own ONE media source ANYWHERE. None of this media monopoly crap. ONE ONLY - in your local market ONLY. If you own a TV station and want to own a radio station, you have to sell your TV station first (and not to a subsidiary of your company or to your offspring, etc).

The only TV I watch is the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.
I only listen to the radio in my car (and only cause my tape deck died) and then I flip from station to station unless there is a song I like on (I do occasionally put on progressive talk radio but I really can't stomach talk radio in general so its pretty hard).
I am ashamed to admit that I subscribe to the local right wing rag but it is an addition I can't seem to break.

I can't understand why the George Soros' of this world aren't trying to buy up media outlets (or are they trying and not being allowed to). I wish Warren Buffet had used his money to take over some media outlets rather than give it to Gates. I still wouldn't like the way the media is owned but at least we would hear the other side occasionally. If I had that kind of money, I would try to buy up radio and TV stations and newspapers and try to put them into some sort of trust for the people of the community where they're located. If possible, try to tie them up in airtight legal ways to keep the Rupert Murdock's blood stained demonic hands off of them.

Ah, if only I ran the world :) Universal health care, publicly funded elections with a paper trail, no corporate "personhood," local ownership of media, strong environmental laws, etc. I'd probably be assassinated within of month of taking over the government :)

[Laurab]

109. K&R and just speaking for myself..

I just made a resolution to TRY to stay away from all the stupid attack-a-candidate posts, whether against my candidate, or against another. It's difficult sometimes because a lot of lies ARE posted, but if they get ignored, they'll sink like they should.

Great OP, and it made a difference, at least to me, and from the looks of it, for a lot of people.

[Fire Walk With Me]

110. I still worry that they'll repeat the faked disaster/special election bit they did in CA with Ahnold

"It worked so well before, let's use it once more!" -Front 242

I hope that I'm wrong, but I definitely don't put it past these stinking sadists.

[crikkett]

157. Are you talking about creating an artificial power shortage as leverage to recall Gov Davis?

[Fire Walk With Me]

193. No one would ever think up such a stunt!

Especially to gain power over that pesky, very blue state with all of those nice, juicy votes.

[Pierogi_Pincher]

111. And peace be unto you as well. THX for your articulation. n/t

[Kat45]

113. Yes, I've been thinking the very same thing.

And it concerns me greatly.

[TacticalPeek]

115. Yes, yes and yes.

:kick:

[Skittles]

116. THANK YOU

but seeing how most DUers fell for the media's pick of "front-runners", I am hardly surprised

[Wiley50]

117. BINGO! My heart through your words, Atman

That's why I haven't joined in much on the primary festivities lately

Just wish that I had seen this earlier

so I wouldn't have to be Rec #133

and post 11? or so

[avrdream]

118. No truer words......

I have been trying to warn about this over in GDP for the past few days but your words said it so much better.

Thanks.

[memory]

119. Yes sir! My thoughts exactly.

It is so frustrating that Edwards, who is our best and probably only chance at getting our country back, is getting shoved off the stage.

[shaniqua6392]

120. Yes! What is the GOP and Bush doing while we are occupied with this crap?

We need to refocus on Bush a bit to keep an eye on what he will try to do in his last year in office. Great post!!! Thanks.

[Pierzin]

122. Amen. 95% of all outlets Are Owned by only 7-8 Companies Now...

And the networks try their best to not even mention John Edwards. They are very afraid of him, and they are most afraid of Kucinich.

[Perry Logan]

124. We can start by not repeating MSM memes, e.g, "the Democrats in Congress are all cowards."

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

198. WE CAN START BY MARCHING ON MEDIA'S DOMINION.

They OWN Washington, now!

Let us march, millions on the media vicariously BEING Washington.

I have had enough!

I am willing to confront those who have taken upon themselves to SELL my humanity to the highest bidder.

To me, the cogs in the corporacrat media are enemies of democracy, enemies to the U.S.A.

The profit-driven media IS washington dc and, whether any are willing to admit it or not,...it's true.

[Highway61]

125. RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!

You are right on the money!!!!!

[rainy]

126. I feel the same way. Edwards is it. Unless of course Gore gets in. nt

[AikidoSoul]

137. Me too

hey... nice hairdo!

[Ganja Ninja]

127. I would much rather hear the Democrats debate their own inaction

then the silly crap that's going on now. We have a pack of criminals in power and no one except DK has even mentioned prosecuting them. :wtf:

[NavyDavy]

128. you got that right....some of these people that are supporting

these rumors are trolls, indy's who won't vote Dem and outsiders who don't care one way or another if the USA is destroyed....IMHO

[Echo In Light]

129. I can certainly believe it. The rightists {of both sides} rely on the tried n true

[il_lilac]

130. 125%

I don't think anyone can really say that is any less than 125% true. You hit the nail on the head.

[cascadiance]

131. January 2009 is also when they stop the economic bandaids...

... that have kept the subprime mortgage crisis from sinking this economy. Unless we have some VERY aggressive financial policy to restore balance to this economy (like some IMMEDIATE middle class tax relief and taking away the Reagan tax breaks for the millionaires, some tax breaks to help offset the high oil prices for high fuel economy cars or other means of taking away this huge penalty the middle class bears and at the same time attack global warming, this economy is going to be in for some HUGE problems.

The corporate media and the Republicans, will then try to attack the Democrats heavily for these "Democratic failures" that were in fact already in place before a Democrat takes office! We need to be prepared for that!

[kenfrequed]

132. Well...

What do you expect? The media outlets selectively deleted mention of certain candidates whose goal is actually doing things for this nation and voting like a friggin Democrat.

I mean the media outlets selected Obama and Clinton over a year ago as "the serious candidates." Do you really expect them to have our interests at heart?

[MrMickeysMom]

133. K&R... Maybe not so many of us ARE falling for this...

... Maybe what we are doing is having that over-due discussion around the virtual dinner table. :shrug:

It's getting more obvious, isn't it? Everyone does it day after day.. get up, get kids to school, or take care of elders... trying to maintain family activities while staying informed and fiscally staying above water.

It's not as easy for me to be a productive voice on DU after listening to NPR, which does not sound like NPR anymore, driving on roads that aren't serving as public transit should anymore, putting together meals not as affordable as they should from the store anymore, and having the TV function as a giant vacuum for the ever increasing uninformed. Trolls to the left, trolls to the right... pretty soon, all the propaganda and marketing starts to do its stuff... turn productive debate in to bating arguments and not even thinking about the overriding issues.

I know better. Thanks for reminding me of that.

[LynneSin]

134. Even on a democrats absolute WORST day and a Republicans absolute BEST day

I'll still vote for the democrat

[DeeDeeNY]

144. What you said

I agree wholeheartedly

:applause:

[Pacifist Patriot]

135. This is precisely why grass roots word of mouth activity is VITAL!

Truer words have not been spoken around here in awhile. Thanks for keeping your eye on the ball.

[calico1]

136. I am disappointed too.

The people on DU tend to be better informed about what is going on so it is so surprising to me that so many seem to have taken the bait put out by some in the media.

Thanks for posting this! Excellent points.

[ringtailtooter]

138. Step and Repeat - Great Post Atman!

We need to be reminded of this daily, and counteract the media with constructive conversation with our friends and neighbors.

Then there's the electronic voting machines to contend with . . .

GO EDWARDS!

[kid a]

139. yes yes yes....thank you

thank you - everyone is on ignore but you for the day!
:)

[northzax]

141. we're Democrats

we have spent the last 30 years letting the perfect get in the way of the perfectly good.

[SIMPLYB1980]

142. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Kick.

[redqueen]

143. Thanks very much for trying.

:yourock:

[OneBlueSky]

145. "One of our candidates WILL win" . . .

if you mean the general election, don't be so sure . . . all it will take is vote manipulation in a few key states (e.g. Florida, Ohio) to ensure another Republican presidency . . .

they have the means, they have the motivation, and they've done it before, quite successfully . . . what makes anyone think they won't do it again? . . .

[Atman]

146. No Debbie Downers in this thread, please!

I hear what you're saying, but we'll only help the GOP with their efforts if we send bloody and bruised candidates into the GE. If our message and our candidates are POSITIVE, about hope and the future, Americans WILL vote for them. Explaining away a slight shift in polls in one state is one thing...explaining how a member of the GOP wins on a platform of MORE war and MORE money give-aways to themselves, will be a much tougher sell. Unless we give them the ammunition they need to pull it off.

So SMILE! We're going to kick ass, no matter who our candidate is!

.

[Shoelace]

191. nice blog Atman!

going to visit often and watch for your posts here. Couldn't agree more with your thoughts.
Stay positive, stay united no matter what. Remember that the worst possible Democratic candidate is light years better than the best Republican candidate. Thus, we unite with high hopes and a fighting spirit and an enlightened message for our country and the children who inherit it.
:grouphug: :pals: :applause:

[Atman]

194. Thanks so much, Shoelace!

I appreciate the props.

For those who want to send on a slightly more generic version of this post to other Dems, I've posted it on my new-ish blog, which one day I'll actually finish!

Not Blogged Yet

.

[Magleetis]

147. NPR

seems to have jumped on the bandwagon with the rest of the whores. "The news" is dead. Thank god for the net.

[go west young man]

159. The've definently completed the transformation of NPR.

I don't recognize it anymore. It took em a while but they've pulled it off.

[Atman]

162. The most brilliant part of the transformation:

The righties are still convinced it's a left-wing propaganda station, so even they won't listen to it. Not sure what it must be doing to their audience. Maybe that's the plan...Republicans have been wanting to kill NPR for years.

.

[Hutzpa]

148. FUCK THIS !

hahaha gotcha!!!

Excellent post.....so finally we're coming to our senses and realizing quickly what is going on,
these mongrels (media) are playing the reverse psychology which seems to be working, think Joe (mongrel) Scarborough, Wolfie, Lou do you really think these ass wipe are on our side, if you do....
well....I've just seen a pigs fly.

As I'm typing this now Joe is stepping up the ante this morning with his cronies, with whats his name from Washington Times (head honcho) all talking about the <race> issues....so you see, it is imperative that Democrats stay focus and plan ahead, these guys are gonna go down fighting,
they know they're dead already, but not without a fight.

Notice how DU have become infested with PATRONIZING ISSUES lately and they are very good at it too, but since where so easily carried away we loose focus and get swept.

Bravo! Atman

:thumbsup:

[Atman]

149. Isn't it a riot?

They're all talking on endlessly about why they don't discuss the real, important issues...and in doing so, continue to not talk about those very issues. It's soooo transparent. They talk about how Hillary and Obama both introduced platforms, but no one covered them and instead covered the weeping and emotions. And never once mentioned anything about the substance of the platforms no one is talking about. Good god. How do these people live with themselves.

Oh, wait...they're whores. A fat paycheck goes a long way.

.

[Serial Mom]

151. ANd they invoke the name of the god so many times...Raygun, raygun, raygun!

[Hutzpa]

155. Thats because they have nothing to offer,

nothing to say, nothing to see and nothing to hear, but garbage, there instructions are to waffle their way through the primaries and hey pretos!

They are suffering from the AMOEBA effect.

[Serial Mom]

158. Both the repuke candidates and the MSM invoke "HIS" name!

he was nothing but the first puppet we had in government!

[Politicub]

153. Fantastic post - one of the best on DU

We need to keep in mind who our real adversaries are. We Dems are not each other's enemy - and the sad thing is we could be uniting against the GOP/corp. media machine while still enthusiastically supporting our candidates in the primaries.

[TriMetFan]

154. Amen to that!!!

Now if all the Hillary , Obama and Edwards bashing could just stop here in DU, I would be one happy camper. Like I have tried to say these men and woman would be a Great President. I don't care if they have done drugs or f-ed a dog! Any of these people would be better then any wacko job in the repuke party.

[LSK]

160. K&R - Im not even paying much attention to this nonsense right now

[tandot]

161. Thanks, Atman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:yourock:

[earth mom]

165. Thanks for reminding some people around here. I've been thinking DU went over to the dark side.

:yoiks:

[understandinglife]

167. Peace.

"Not One Line Of Software Between A Voter And A Valid Election." -- remember the only losers are the voters if they don't know WHO is counting the votes .................

[iamthebandfanman]

168. hey, big money/corporations hafta stay in power some how

and the GOP is in a world of hurt at the moment. i know it was said last year that bush could be taken down by a monkey in an election only to be proven wrong,thats only because big money stuck with him n weathered the storm.
this time around they are switching sides to keep themselves still in power.
we will never have our government back as long as special interests and MONEY control who our nominees are, in both parties.
so now, the GOP will sink into oblivion for 8 years, like the democrats did... and we shall rise and let the corruption consume all our souls just as they did ... only to be right back where we started after 8 years.

the cycle is complete.
Goodbye America, at least you were sold for Billions. hey, might as well be for lots of useless paper than none at all, am i right ?

neither party will have a voice of the people so long as they keep putting it into their pockets.
i dunno y thats so hard to understand for some people who decide who they vote for based on 'elect-ability'.
dont you realize who decides that ? its not you, its not me, its not the political parties.... ope, thats right... big money and large corporations.

[happygoluckytoyou]

170. the GOP unites for the ELECTION... the Dems divide

[EVDebs]

171. Which is why they'll trot out Bloomberg as an 'independent'

[Hutzpa]

173. Who is afraid of Virginia Wolfe?

they're just trying to waste his Blooming money, who in their right mind will want to vote for an Independent/corporatist...who? because Obama et al are bringing out independents so they think an Independent candidate will win....how out of touch can they be.

Let them try it and see what happens. That will be the corporatist biggest down fall, I double dear them to go for it....are you buffoons listening.....go for it!

[librechik]

172. "those beakers were destroyed by the lab"

well done

YOU are EXACTLY RIGHT ON!

[crud76]

174. "Media"

is the plural form of "medium." To say "the media is" is not correct: it's "the media are."

[ooglymoogly]

176. on the money kr

[7horses]

178. Let's stay positive...

If the Democrats on this site fight with each other over the Democratic candidates, why wouldn't the candidates fight with each other over the nomination? Look, any Democrat will be better than any Republican, so why don't we just all say we will support the Democratic nominee? If we want to talk about their positions on policy that's great, but the name calling should stop. I will stand for John Edwards until, and if he drops out. I don't think he should drop out, but if he does... then I will support and vote for the Democratic nominee. Now that said, let me say, go John, go!!!

[Cass]

180. Great post, Atman

We sure can use your words of wisdom around here right now.

:thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

181. Thank you!

This needs to be on the front page for the next MONTH!

[solara]

182. Excellent! ( As usual)

Amen and I say again AMEN! I totally agree with what you have said here and I applaud you for saying it! :hi:


:kick:



INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT IMPRECATE INCARCERATE :patriot:

[leftcoastie]

184. DAY ONE

should begin with subpoenas and indictments against all Bush administration officials. Then off to the Hague for 'em. If the country sees the evidence and the world see that a democratic administration will make it right, perhaps there's a chance. Otherwise we're gonna do the same damn dance that I've seen in my life (from the 50's) until I'm buried. And that's what corporations want out of all of us. Blood...and money.

[AntiFascist]

187. Excellent points, and...

the Clinton impeachment cannot be stressed too lightly. How many Republican pundits like Tweety want to build up Clinton into such a big threat that she wins the nomination, only to be torn down once the right-wing smear machine is geared up. All the while, Edwards' anti-corporate greed message is shuffled into the background noise.

[politicasista]

188. Yep. The same people that whine about the MSM turn around and

buy into everything they are selling.

[cosmicdot]

190. the media outlets helped create 'the frontrunners'

the media, owned by Murdoch, Disney and GE et al, have helped to promote the "top tier" "viable" "electable" candidates (product placement helps), with corporate financial support

what a show!


even the graphics assist in the media game





sorry, no hitchhikers ...only room for 2 in this corporate media-provided car ..... hey, keep your eyes on the road, or you might get broad-sided



It seems like one big circus, and the yellow-journalists are in control of our debate forums.
Cue the Twilight Zone theme.

I suspect, in the end, corporate america will get the nominees and president they want.

The media plays the system as it's set up, and neither party is making any effort to change it any time soon (see HAVA voting).

A lot needs changing, i.e. campaign financing, or we'll be seeing Circus 2012.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2690162

[crud76]

195. CNN with their

"Ballot Bowl '08"...for chrysake, were talking about the future of the world's oldest and biggest democracy (and the future of the world, really), and CNN frames it as a sport?!? WTF?!?!?!?!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

196. Maybe, I've just got a rather sensitive "propaganda/bullshit meter" but,...

,...I thought it was rather obvious. You know what really made me GET IT, though? The callers on WJ. I am quite familiar with the taste of "instigatory" and it was clear there were '3rd parties' inserting manipulative spices.

It is IMPERATIVE that we all remember the gross manipulation which the RW Rovian-machine has trademarked. They are Hitleresque and proud of it.