NBC/MSNBC: 212-664-4444 NBC trying to appeal decision to

[slipslidingaway]

keep Dennis out of the debate, please call if this concerns you. Thanks.

[rodeodance]

1. 112,932 needed

[slipslidingaway]

6. Is that today's lucky number :)) thanks for kicking and caring. n/t

[rucky]

2. Nevermind

Crap! I'm calling, I'm calling...

[mikelgb]

4. and they are trying their damnedest to have their little corporate party

I bet they just cancel the debate rather than have to put up with Dennis and his mouth...

[bdamomma]

3. he's in and will particpate in the debate tomorrow nite, that's

what I just heard.

[slipslidingaway]

5. From where, someone posted that Olbermann said they are

appealing the initial ruling.

An executive at ABC was able to block the last lawsuit.

Was this an official annouincement by NBC?

When I called earlier to confirm the initial ruling they said to watch the 11:00 news.

Thanks.

[EFerrari]

24. If you do catch the 11 pm news, will you please post an update?

[slipslidingaway]

27. I was only able to catch the first half and heard nothing, maybe

they were hoping for a decision by that time.

:shrug:

I'm betting they'll find another judge to overturn the initial ruling, still a glimmer of hope though :)

[lonestarnot]

7. Fucking calling!

[tritsofme]

8. I might just call and give them a piece of my mind.

For not issuing an appeal earlier.

[mikelgb]

9. Ya gotta love this clip:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22656099#22656099

Keith opens mentioning Dennis being included by a Judge and that MSNBC is appealing and then moments later the chrome on the screen reads: "Debate and Switch"

Faux News couldn't have done better

[slipslidingaway]

13. Debate and switch! Signaling intentions :) earlier tonight

I posted this when reading the intial ruling.

I do not trust them one bit, actually I wish the front page article would be taken down on DU as people think it is settled.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4065634&mesg_id=4067063

The operator just said there is nobody here who can confirm
that and I have to wait until it is on the news. I asked her where this news would be and she said the 11:00 news. I said "It will be on the 11:00 news and she said "yes."

I remember reading that an executive at ABC was able to stop the last Kucinich lawsuit by contacting another judge, so I'm waiting til the fat lady sings this time.


Of course there is also placement, time alloted and substantive questions to contend with, but it's a start. And significant damage has already been done

The corporations are truly scared of the issues Dennis brings to the debates.

One small step against the corporate media.

[mikelgb]

17. I really have to commend Dennis for taking a stand on this.

[slipslidingaway]

20. Me too, wish I had half his fighting spirit. n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

26. He's the only one how speaks truth to power...

I'm calling in the AM, too.

[Divine Discontent]

19. I also loved how several minutes were discussed in this video called "Dems Square Off in Nev"

and there was literally under 30 seconds of a 6:30 segment that even involved Edwards (all at the beginning. Even on Olbermann he's getting stiffed. Before that clip, with Robinson, they talked Obama/Clinton nonstop also.

I guess they're discussing the Obama and Clinton because they were bickering so much, but Keith could have said something about the arguing whether or not it will be a boon to the Edwards campaign.

J.E.D.N.E. from all I can tell from this media.

Wonder if the first question in the debate will go to Clinton and then Obama, as is normally the case... LOL I laugh! I laugh! They'll also have Dennis Kucinich sitting 30 feet behind the others or something...

[mod mom]

22. Sorry I am missing this one. "Debate and Switch" What are you suggesting was meant

by this line?

[Nictuku]

10. I called.

I was polite. I said that we need more voices, not less. I said I probably wouldn't watch it if Dennis was excluded.

[slipslidingaway]

14. Thank you for calling and for being polite n/t

[mirrera]

11. calling...n/t

[slipslidingaway]

Thanks! n/t

[candymarl]

12. Now who would be buddies with the people that own

the giant media corps? Why that would be Bushboy. Who has been pushing hardest for Bushboy's impeachment? Why Dennis K. I wonder why they want to shut him up? Could it be? Nah.
:tinfoilhat:

[slipslidingaway]

15. That is definitely one reason, no accountability allowed. n/t

[FREEWILL56]

16. The last I heard GE owns MSNBC and to my knowledge that means

General Electric and not our General Elections. F General Electric and their products too. Hey Disney, you're not excluded as I don't subscribe to your bullshit either.

[Tarc]

18. This bullshit needs to stop

All of the candidates have had months upon months upon months to be heard. If in mid-January someone still cannot crack 10%, it is time to accept reality and hang it up.

[slipslidingaway]

21. You mean this bullshit???

Clinton 25%, Edwards 19%, Obama 17%, Gravel 6%, Kucinich 3%

This is the percentage of time alloted to the candidates during the crucial first hour of the ABC debate in August.

Forget about the candidates for a moment and focus on the issues they bring to the discussion and what the corporate media does NOT want the American people to hear. What a relief for the big corporations!


Exposing the propaganda regarding the threat from Iran

Challenges to big oil --- attempting to control the resources of Iraq through the draft Irag Oil Law which Congress passed as a benchmark in the spring supplemental spending bill

Challenges to the insurance industry --- Not for profit health care

Challenges to the weapons manufactures ---reduced military spending

Accountability/impeachment

Free trade agreements, who voted for those agreements that affect jobs and salaries and under which administration they were signed into law


Now we can have debates without these bothersome issues being mentioned


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[EFerrari]

25. Because, face it, censorship is the American way!

[Tarc]

29. Don't be ignorant. It isn't censorship

If DK hasn't been able to make his mark by now, he isn't going to. At least Dodd and Biden had a bit of decency and a shred of common sense to see that for themselves.

[EFerrari]

32. Yes, it is censorshop and it's a violation of the public trust

which is illegal. And, the court seems to agree.

[onenote]

39. actually, all the court agreed with (as a legal matter) is that NBC breached a quasi-contract

with DK created when they invited him to participate.

[Laurab]

40. It's censorship, and I think Dodd and Biden ran out of cash

I don't understand them giving up after 2 states - It's a 50 state election, and I'm going to miss them, particularly Biden, in the debate. He was so impressive. Yes, the media has determined who our candidates are, but I wish Biden and Dodd could have go on a bit longer - I'm guessing it was mostly a financial decision.

[kenfrequed]

45. oh right...

Cause when you get a two year lead where the media does nothing but talk about the "Hillary candidacy" you still need to get a quarter of the total debate time.

What do we know? We know what the damned box tells us! Do you think it appropriate to blame those in our society languishing in unreported oblivion? Were that even a remotely credible argument we should give up on git-mo, ignore extraordinary rendition, pretend the Iraq war is a success and join the god-damned republican party already.

I am sorry but I will follow DK's example and not go gently. I intend to rant and rave and shout at our corporate media masters that think they have the right to select our democracy for us.

[loudsue]

31. Only a few thousand people have voted so far in primaries. The American People HAVE NOT SPOKEN.

And if you believe all those polls, then you also believe diebold is a great way to count votes.

[EFerrari]

23. I'll call these Nazi mofos in the morning.

:kick: to bookmark.

[slipslidingaway]

28. Thanks, you can try now as well, they might put you through

to a comment line.

There are issues that Dennis brings to the debates that none of the top three will touch...

:(

[stickernation]

34. i think obama should feel threatened by DK.

not sanguine at all, as DK will force clarity into the debate and Obama is only good when it's a feel-good rah-rah vibe in my opinion. i think obama stands to lose bigtime with DK's inclusion. HRC is an attacking person comfortable with hardball and ready to fight, but obama has not fought very well at all - his positive charisma thing is the core of his appeal. this is definitely not going to be that kind of debate. without DK there, it is easy to see edwards and obama ganging up on HRC. with DK there, edwards will feel right at home, and HRC will deflect and attack back. Obama will just sit there and not do anything, hoping for the best so he can get back out on the trail shaking hands. This is not to say that I don't like Obama for being charismatic, I just think that he is not ready for a crazy debate like this one. DK ups the possibility of a fur-flying kind of debate.

Edwards has been sounding more like DK over time, in my opinion largely because of his deep and honest connection with supporters like us. He is moving towards his own supporters' point of view, and his supporters really LIKE Dennis, so Edwards has been acknowledging that DK's point of view is complementary with his own. This is why the M$M is increasingly ignoring Edwards. I hope this debate is a field day for both Edwards and Kucinich as their focus on real problems blends and merges. I hope Kucinich and Edwards take some time backstage to assuage Kucinich's criticisms of Edwards' sources of money and re-establish their alliance.

this all then feeds into my obama conspiracy theory - GE/NBC are terrified of DK's mouth, especially in combination with Edwards' contributions. But Obama's entire fluff-based candidacy depends on two strategies: 1) enough people dislike hillary intensely that she'd lose one-on-one with Obama and 2) Obama's really really good with fluff. These points are exactly how * has won elections - emphasize dissatisfaction with the opponent and change the topic by charming people. Is Obama a real candidate for change for real, or is he just another celebrity manufactured by TIME Magazine for nefarious Zaphod Beeblebrox purposes?

DK is funny and clever enough to alter the "roles" in this debate. I bet you that he will play the role not just of a candidate getting asked questions, but the role of a MODERATOR WHO ASKS QUESTIONS OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES. My guess is that he will ask pointed questions at Obama and HRC in order to force them to commit to their stances, which will then be revealed in all their glory to the voters for them to judge. And in such light JRE comes out far better than the two front-runners; HRC will survive either way, but Obama will lose the luster of "change agent" as his real policy perspective is revealed (if indeed he reveals it).

This debate is on the cusp of a possible recession and war on Iran and other disasters. It is not a feel-good moment for the USA, and Obama and Clinton want to spend our time sparring at one another rather than debate the issues. DK and JRE are not going to be even AWARE of such a perspective. They will bring up the issues consistently and force Obama and Clinton to point themselves out on the spectrum of possible stances. If Obama decides to NOT JOIN the DK/JRE coalition in the debate, he will prove himself to be a phony on the "change" bandwagon and he will get shredded. And my guess is that he won't join - he will continue to try and divert the debate into the current script of "hillary versus obama firefight" the M$M is selling us. With DK aboard the change juggernaut, what's he going to do - side with Clinton ?! We will see !!! (or you might see, i don't have cable :( )

-s

[halobeam]

30. kick

[EFerrari]

33. Called and kick!

:kick:

[orleans]

35. what did they say? i keep looking for an update on that "appeal"

but i'm not finding it. did you ask if they were still appealing the decision by the judge?

[EFerrari]

38. It was a machine. That could mean there are a lot of calls

or that the corporate whores don't care if we call. It's hard to tell.

I told them they were making themselves irrelevant. That's the worst thing I could think of.

lol

:shrug:

[orleans]

44. nicely said. n/t

[KoKo]

36. Just called...a real person answered...but when I said: "Calling to Express my concern"

they immediately put me into the "leave a message" format where I expressed my concern..that GE would go over the ruling of a Nevada Judge to the State Supreme Court to block Rep. Kucinich from appearing in NV Debate. I said I was regular viewer of MSNBC/CNBC and a purchaser of many GE Appliances and that my concern would cause me to rethink GE purchases in the future.

[OneGrassRoot]

37. Thanks, and kick! n/t

[Bonobo]

41. I called. A human answered, I gave her a piece of mind. Then they transferred

me to a voice mail that was full.

[slipslidingaway]

42. Thanks for the calls and K&R, especially those who are

supporting another candidate.

:toast: :toast: :toast:

[slipslidingaway]

43. General Electric phone and email information...

I spoke to a woman in the chairman's office who was very nice and a bit shocked to be receiving a phone call on this issue.

FWIW, first the operator transferred to me a number that had a recording saying it was no longer valid, the second time she transferred me the chairman's office.

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femrap (1000+ posts) Tue Jan-15-08 07:10 PM
Original message

"GE and MSNBC hate Democracy...do something about it...please!

I simply can't believe that GE/MSNBC is appealing the decision to have Kucinich participate in tonight's debate. LET'S MAKE THEM REGRET THIS DECISION BY TELLING THE PUBLIC AND THE CEO THAT DEMOCRACY IS STRONGER THAN ANY CORPORATION OR CEO!!! MAKE GE APOLOGIZE!!!

Chairman and CEO, Jeffrey R. Immelt. He is the one ultimately responsible for this decision.

Email GE Corporate HQ here:

https://www.ge.com/contact/contact_form.html

or call at 1-203-373-2211

Ask for Jeffrey Immelt.

Then ask him about his quote which is prominently displayed at the homepage of GE:

"I am out talking about this company seven days a week, 24 hours a day, with nothing to hide. We're a 129-year-old company that has a great record of high-quality leadership and a culture of integrity."

He said it, NOW CALL HIM ON IT!!!

Hit the phones and email as well....let's get GE's Immelt for trying to destroy our DEMOCRACY!!!

Thank you!"