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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:15 PM
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For fellow Tolkien fans: Edwards as Aragorn, America as Gondor
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:24 PM by IdesOfOctober
And DC as Minas Tirith.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aragorn_II_Elessar">Aragorn II Elessar: He placed himself in the service of mere Hobbits (Little Folk), and in the process, reclaimed his rightful place as King.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=gondor">Gondor: A once-proud kingdom whose influence has diminished, but which still stands as the bulwark against all the evil of Middle-Earth.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Minas_Tirith_in_Gondor">Minas Tirith: The crumbling capital of Gondor. Ruled by a mere http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Denethor_II">Steward.

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When the http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Warning_beacons_of_Gondor">warning beacons are lit, when the http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Red_Arrow">Red Arrow has been sent, when the Great Horn has been sounded, it is the sworn duty of the http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Rohirrim">Riders of Rohan to https://www.johnedwards.com/action/contribute/form">ride swiftly to the aid of the King.

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
John Edwards - he doth give 'em hell!
o corporate press be ye forewarned!
Ye'll rue the day that you were born!
o "leadership" in both houses
Here - take your walking papuhs
The time has come for us to sing
It is the Return of True King!

:toast:

Ides
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:16 PM
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In a rather funny coincidence, your thread is on the "Latest Threads" page just above one...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:17 PM by TwilightZone
about Viggo Mortenson.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:36 PM
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13. I like coincidences, and Viggo is dream-y. LOL.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:16 PM
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1. Now all we need is some of the Hillary folks to comment that Kucinich must be Frodo...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:17 PM by YOY
n/t
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:02 PM
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16. Who is the Shieldmaiden of Corporate America in this analysis?
:think:

Ides
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:24 PM
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25. Hey Frodo saved the world!
There are worse things to be compares to.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM
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28. Pffffffft! Kucinich is Bilbo, at best. He may have found the Ring, but he ain't fated to destroy It.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:27 PM
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52. Kucinich IS Frodo. Or maybe Pippin.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:35 AM
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66. I'd buy him as Pippin.
Looked into the Palantir - which only the true King could wrest to his will - and got all spooked and spooky over it.

Ides
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:17 PM
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2. Congratulations! You've won a DORKzy!
:P

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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:21 PM
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4. Gosh! I have so many people to thank. I'd like to start - as JRE would - with the Little People.
:toast:

Ides
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:31 PM
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10. DORKzy!

:rofl:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:30 PM
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43. Make It out of Tin Foil!
:rofl:

- Dave
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:17 PM
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3. And Kucinich is Frodo, and Ron Paul is Gollum
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:23 PM
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5. Now, who can we get to play the role of Shelob?
:think:

Ides
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:22 PM
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21. Shelob obviously = Condisleezy.
n/t
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:22 PM
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23. That would make a fine PhotoShop!
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 01:23 PM by IdesOfOctober
:rofl:

She has the bucktoothed pincers, even!
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:32 PM
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11. Bush is Gollum.
You don't really think he's going to give up the Ring without a fight, do you? :scared:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:51 PM
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15. Interesting, hadn't thought of it quite that way.
Maybe that's because I see Gollum as a sympathetic character.

Ides
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM
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27. If I could see Bush behind the scenes...
...crying, knowing he's in way over his head, rocking back and forth and cradling his whiskey bottle and muttering "my preciousssss," I might feel some sympathy for him too.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:34 PM
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31. Filthy Hobbitses!
"We hates them - gollum! - we hates them forever!"

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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:24 PM
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24. No, but close
Cheney is Sauron, Bush is merely the Voice of Sauron.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:25 PM
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26. I thought Dana Perino had that gig?
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:27 PM
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29. Heh, good point on Perino
However, Perino is weak..Ari mas the master deceiver.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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30. Orcish inbreeding diluted the gene pool?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:09 PM
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62. I had Bush as Sauron, made a cafepress.com t-shirt...
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 11:11 PM by calipendence
with this image:



I was hesitant in adding it as a shop as the underlying ring image I grabbed from the net and "customized it a bit".

BTW, if any of you want to get a good political spoof of the Bush clan in Middle Earth, try viewing Liberty News' "The Nine". It was on Free Speech TV a while back, but you can watch it on the net here:



http://www.libertynewstv.com/RAW%20CLIPS%20and%20STILLS/JUNE2007CLIPS/LntvJun07fulllink.wvx
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:17 PM
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19. No, Kucinich is Bilbo; he found the Ring, but isn't destined to destroy it.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:33 PM
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53. Gollum IS....


Mike Huckabee as Lotho Sackville-Baggins:

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:39 PM
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61. Mitt Romney is Saruman
he of the golden voice -- and the empty promises.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:23 PM
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6. This is the first time Kucinich can't be called an elf.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:31 PM
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9. No, but his wife can. n/t
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:23 PM
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42. Bilbo, at best.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:24 PM
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7. Well, lately, DU has looked like Mordor.
;)
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:27 PM
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8. You speak with forked Wormtongue!
Begone!

:toast:

Ides
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:33 PM
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12. I love it!
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:39 PM
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14. Did the 12-sided dice come up in my favor?
:toast:

Ides
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:08 PM
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17. Ok...

Bill Clinton is Elrond, who was there but failed to ensure that Sauron was completely destroyed.

Al Gore is Isildur because he HAD the ring of power but failed to destroy the evil
(ooooh, shiny!) and thus it was known as Isildur's Bane.

Hillary is (toss up) Galadriel - and you know what happens if she GETS the ring
Hillary is Saruman - erstwhile leader of the white council, deceived and corrupted by the dark tower
Hillary is Denethor - The Last Steward of Gondor, lost in the past, refighting old wars

:evilgrin:

(all in good fun)
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:13 PM
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18. I see you know your Silmarillion!
Hail, and well met, indeed!

:toast:

Ides
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:18 PM
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20. When the leaves change color and there is a chill in the air
I tend to pull out all of my Tolkien books and reread them. Even after 10 or 12 times, they are still good tales. Great reading while the fire is burning in the fireplace and a cup of hot coco or warm cider in your hands.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:22 PM
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22. The silverish light in the tree branches that time of year does it to me.
Ides

P.S. Zaphod Beeblebrox.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:34 PM
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32. Yes, we could do the same analogy with Hitchhikers
Zaphod is Bill, trillian is Hillary, Ford Prefect is Obama, Arthur Dent is Edwards or maybe Kucinich, Al Gore is Marvin...

And I'm one of two missiles fired at the Heart of Gold, which, due to a very improbable event, was transformed into a blue whale... and who's last thought before impacting the planet was "oh no, not again!"
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:38 PM
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33. 42
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:39 PM
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34. I'm spending the year dead for tax purposes - n/t
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:42 PM
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36. I bet you still get angry letters and offers from American Express.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:44 PM
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37. Nah, they gave up on me years ago. - n/t
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:42 PM
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35. What is 6 x 9??? - n/t
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:45 PM
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38. As I sit here, naked, with my blue towel protecting me from my laptop, lapfrog,
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 01:52 PM by IdesOfOctober
(and it from me), nursing my coffee and trying to figure out why I'm way out here in this uncharted backwater of the unfashionable end of the spiral arm of DU, I refer you to my prior answer: 42.

Ides
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:52 PM
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39. Actually, you should be drinking beer, it helps relax the muscles
and considering that the Vogon constructor fleet has just appeared overhead...

You are likely to have a poetry reading in your future.

Besides, the Guide has already updated the entry on your main research topic. It now reads "DU: mostly harmless"
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:54 PM
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40. Here, have some peanuts. You'll thank me for the salt later.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:59 PM
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41. There's no use whining about it. The donor lists have been on file
at the http://www.fec.gov/">FEC for ages, in accordance with all Galactic Regulations.

Ides
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:05 PM
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51. The current Hillary is Galadriel when she was tempted by the ring...

:rofl:
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:56 PM
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44. John Cleese is Saruman. Terry Jones is Galadriel.

Michael Palin is Frodo and the late, Great graham chapman is Gandalf.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:12 PM
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58. (high pitched voice) "He's not the Ring bearer, he's a very naughty boy."
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 08:14 PM by Leopolds Ghost
Besides which, their version was supposed to star the Beatles, was it not?

(...With Paul as Frodo, George Harrison as Gandalf, and John Lennon as Gollum!)
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:14 PM
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45. Tim Russert as the Mouth of Sauron...hehehehe n/t
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:30 PM
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48. Ann Coulter or Dana Perino.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:36 PM
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59. Karl ROVE as Grima WORMTONGUE
Okay, too easy.

Karl Rove:



Being tossed down the steps at Edoras:



With signing statement:



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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:48 AM
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67. I was thinking James Carville as Grima Wormtongue!
After all, he's infiltrating, pretending to be one of us...
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:14 AM
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68. Leo, I think the backscatter trumped ya on this one.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:16 PM
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46. Bump...up
:)
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:17 PM
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47. My dear Mrs. McToots, how be ye?
:hug:

Ides
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:51 PM
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49. Watchin` the world...
an` dreamin` up mine:loveya:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:52 PM
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50. Who sits in your Land o' Make Believe Oval Office?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:37 PM
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54. BILL KRISTOL is the MOUTH OF SAURON


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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:45 PM
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55. Giuliani IS Sauron, the Lord of The Rings
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:02 PM
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56. Hillary CLINTON = Saruman??
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 08:05 PM by Leopolds Ghost




“….victims? Don’t be melodramatic. (Lime gestures at the people walking far bellow them.) Look down there, would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you 20,000 pounds for every dot that stopped would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare, free of income tax, old man, free of income tax, the only way you can save money nowadays...”

A minute later Lime points out that he is only emulating the morality of governments,

“Nobody talks about human beings anymore. Why should we? They talk about the proletariat and the people, I talk about the suckers and the mugs, it’s the same thing. They have their five year plans and so have I.”

Lime has merely adopted the patriarchal morality of the day, the point of view of the one eyed penis tower manacled by abstract language----people become statistics, the living world becomes a chess board, the ends justify the means.

This “tower” consciousness is exemplified in the Tolkien mythology by The Two Towers, and their associated dictators Sauron and Saruman. Two Towers represent two solar phallic powers emblemized by the Red Eye of Sauron and the White Hand of Saruman. Each has their own army of genetically engineered Orcs which bear one of these two glyphs. Saruman’s orcs may be superior to Sauron’s in that they can better stand to be in the sun. They wonder which master is the more powerful,

Is Saruman the master or the Great Eye? We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man’s flesh to eat.

Towers are emblems of both solar phallic and chtonic phallic power. Neither solar phallic nor chthonic phallic power is good or bad in itself, like all forms of power they may be used for good or evil. The most complete embodiment of solar phallic power in the Tolkien mythology is neither Sauron nor Saruman, but Gandalf the White.

While the Orcs and Ringwratihs can scarcely abide the sun, Gandalf the White can look straight at it, and his hands are filled with light. Sauron’s solar phallic power is not associated with the sun but with the inferior version of it---fire, even his thoughts are described as “fiery.” Fire is the inferior energy, on the earthly plane it is the release of solar energy stored in a plant based fuel—wood, fossil fuel, and far less intense that the nuclear fire of the sun.

When we first hear of Saruman, Gandalf the Grey acknowledges him as his superior, Saruman the White, highest of the Ishtari, the race of wizards:

“Saruman the White is the greatest of my order…Saruman has long studied the arts of the Enemy himself, and thus we have often been able to fore stall him.”

A danger for the one-sided solar phallic personality is that it all too easily becomes obsessed and possessed by what it studies and this has already happened to Saruman. When Gandalf discovers that Saruman is a traitor, it is also learned that he is no longer white. Gandalf narrates,

…’I have come for your aid, Saruman the White.’ “And that title seemed to anger him….”

Saruman makes a proclamation of power,

“For I am Saruman, the Wise, Saruman Ring-maker, Saruman of many Colours!
White!” He sneered “It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken.”

Gandalf replies,

“In which case it is no longer white, and he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.”

http://www.zaporacle.com/textpattern/article/43/castingprecious


Hee hee! I thought you would enjoy that bit of bizzarrity...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:29 PM
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60. I recall a Tolkien thread on DU a long time ago...

which argued that the Lord of the Rings was racist. Hmmm.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:03 AM
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65. Well, there were races.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:16 AM
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63. Mommy, make him stop!
My head hurts this morning.

:hangover:

That picture ain't the cure I was looking for, either.

Ides
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:06 PM
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57. And For the First Time in a Major Motion Picture... Bill Richardson IS Samwise


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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:54 AM
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64. More like Fatty Bolger, the one who got left behind in The Shire.
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