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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:23 PM
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Huckabee calling for a theocracy?
Huckabee is frightening. It sounds like he wants to change the Constitution to incorporate his personal interpretation of the Bible.


" do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards," Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/15/579265.aspx
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:25 PM
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1. He is absolutely terrifying.
:scared:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:31 PM
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9. What does one expect from peeps who really believe Earth is 6000 year old?
The man might be sincere but he is a religious whacko.....

He is Brady in Inheirit the Wind....Spencer Tracy, etc.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:47 PM
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17. Here is a link to an excellent article by an AK journalist about Huckabee:
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 01:47 PM by CottonBear
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/

Be sure to check out the letters/comments section. :scared:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:53 PM
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23. Thanks for the link.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:35 PM
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37. AK is Alaska. Arkansas is AR
...
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:43 PM
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52. Ooops! Thank you! n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:33 PM
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36. Problem is, Spencer Tracy is dead and worse yet so is Darrow.
:shrug:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:04 PM
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51. Reminding us ....Where O Where is Spencer when we Really Need him???
How is this crap happening in this day and age?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:25 PM
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2. Pretty Much, Ma'am, Yes
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM
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3. This shocks me!
A president should place loyalty and service to ALL the citizens of his country above loyalty and service to a specific religion. If his ideology prevents him from doing this, then he should be working for his church and not running for president.

I am uncomfortably reminded of the Taliban.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:50 PM
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20. Aside from the direct conflict with the First Amendment...
... someone needs to also grill Huckabee on whether he really views this as a priority, given the state of the economy, health care, education, etc., and whether enshrining a particular interpretation of the Bible in the Constitution might be unproductive in the fight against militant Islam.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:27 PM
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4. sounds like it and amending the Constitution to take rights away from people.
so wrong, the framers are rolling.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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5. He frightens me too
My husband says he is the one to be careful of....not the others.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:35 PM
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13. I agree with your husband.......
Huckabee is another bush with his "aw shucks, I'm just a regular guy" shtick that will appeal to the same people bush appealed to.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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6. Yup. Our version of the Taliban

If there was a Christian version of Sharia Law, I'm sure Huckleberry would be pushing it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:35 PM
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12. There is. It's called Dominionism by some and Christian Reconstructionism
by others. I prefer Christian Fascism.

I guarantee you Huckabee is a proponent. He knows better than to show his hand, and these folks have a policy of keeping their intentions secret until they get into positions of power.

Turn around and RUN as fast as you can from this man.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:38 PM
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15. Do a Google search
for Huckabee and dominionism. It's scary.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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7. God before Country.... n/t
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:31 PM
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10. can someone start a post 4 me
Im new and it wont let me.


I found a link that you answer a couple of questions and it tells you which candidates are most aligned with your views and opinions. Pretty cool.



http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:31 PM
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8. OK, we have our issue. Huckster wants to change our constitution from
a democracy to a theocracy.


He could split the GOP between the theocrats and those who used the theocrats as a way to gain power.

He wants to change our constitution to fit his religious beliefs.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:36 PM
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I think he is absolutely the most dangerous of the
republican candidates.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:49 PM
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18. Rudy is too. He's very authoritarian. He will be no different than bush.
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PleaseSayItAintSo Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:33 PM
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11. I called his campaign office.
I want to know exactly what he is talking about. This is scary.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:36 PM
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14. Did he try any of this in Arkansas?
I really don't know, but it seems like it would be easy for a reporter (or maybe any of us, I guess) to research and find out:

1. Did Huckabee try to put creationism in the schools?
2. Did Huckabee try to remove evolution from the schools?
3. Did Huckabee try to put prayer in the schools?
4. Did Huckabee try to put the Ten Commandments in the schools or other gov't buildings?

I haven't heard anything about those issues when he was governor of Arkansas for 10+ years. It seems like this information would be out by now, considering his win in Iowa, potential win in SC and his (shared) front-runner status.

So, did he do any of those things asked above?

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:50 PM
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19. I couldn't find specific information regarding your questions
but here are some highlights from wikipedia:

1.Huckabee signed the Child Welfare Agency Licensing Act in 1997. This bill has provisions which allow religious groups to contract for social services with the state without having to compromise their principles.


2. In January 1999, Huckabee joined the presidential exploratory committee of Lamar Alexander<60>. Later, Huckabee endorsed George W. Bush. The Washington Post reported in February 2000,

"This is a guy who gets things done," said Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. "The more people get to know George Bush, the more than are going to get to like him."<61>




3. On April 11, 2001, Huckabee signed the "Covenant Marriage Act," which is a marriage contract option that compels the couple to seek counseling if problems develop during the marriage, provides limited grounds for divorce or separation, and restricts lawsuits against spouses

4. Huckabee publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002, signed a bill raising taxes on gasoline in 1999, and signed a $5.25 bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001.

5. On December 26, 2007 the conservative organization Judicial Watch announced that Mike Huckabee was named to its list of Washington’s "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2007. They state that Huckabee, as governor, was the subject of "14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office." Judicial Watch further accused Huckabee of attempting to block the state ethics commission's investigations of the allegations.<135>
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:47 PM
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16. Pretty much sounds like a theocracy, to me.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:50 PM
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21. Obama's Kingdom of God on Earth
Obama said......."We're going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/08/obama.faith/index.html
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:53 PM
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22. Yes - his goal is to infuse his religion into your home, your school, and...
our government!

The dude is bat-shit crazy.

Remember, a flat earther can only see with very narrow vision. His folksy appeal masks a determined desire to create a theocracy.

We gotta keep him on the radar.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:55 PM
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24. Yes, he definitely is.
What Huckabee is describing is his plan to impose his belief system on others. This is in sharp contrast to how the democratic candidate's will speak of how their personal belief systems provide them with a source of strength and comfort when dealing with difficult issues. It's the difference between shit and sugar.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:13 PM
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25. these fuckers have to be stopped
by any and all means necessary. we CANNOT allow a grade-a certified whack job like that to become president. we'd better stop this petty bickering over hillary and obama and support WHOEVER our nominee is. the stakes were already high enough. now they're even higher. we HAVE to win this one folks. so cut the schoolyard squabbling and show some fucking party unity before we all have to say our state sponsored morning prayer.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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26. It May be Necessary to Cross Over and Vote Against Him in the Primaries
If he makes it to the general election, we're Fuckabeed!


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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:34 PM
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28. who would be the "best" pug to vote for?
who is the best of the worst?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:49 PM
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46. Mittens Seems to be the Least Dangerous of the Lot
They are all awful. Mittens is probably beatable, and if he does get elected it won't be the end of the world. If Huckabee gets elected it very well might be.


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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM
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27. He scares the crap out of me.
I don't think that he, or his followers, will ever get it through their heads that this is supposed to be a democracy, not a theocracy.

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zingaro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:45 PM
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29. Are you sure Yuckabee said that? It sounds just like
a He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-ism to me.

And I do not mean Voldemort.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:25 PM
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34. Here's a video:
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zingaro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:37 PM
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39. Oh I believed it...but the similarity is creepy, n'est ce pas? nt
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:34 PM
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43. Yep, it was Huckabee. n/t
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:49 PM
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30. this Jesus freak loony is truly frightening
Almost as frightening as the brainwashed drones that support him. I expect to see them at rallies with pilgrim suits and pitchforks. :scared:
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:01 PM
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31. Huckster does have a point.
I think it's down right criminal that we've changed God's standards and do not allow the Blood Eagle anymore.

I mean I heard Pat Robertson talking about Dover, Pennsylvania and how if disaster strikes it's because they've turned away from Thor's Grace.

He's right, so I for one am all for the reinstitution of the ritual hanging on a windy tree for 9 days while pierced by a spear.

Wait, he's not talking about <b>true</b> religion? About Wotan, Thor, Tyr and Yggdrasil? Well, I might just have to brain him, with Mjolnir, for insulting my beliefs.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:04 PM
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32. Good thing the Wealthy Elite don't want him...
Or his populist (if a republican can actually have that) attitude.

Besides, he would lose more votes over the stem cell issue in the General Election, since most Americans are for it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:22 PM
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33. That's pretty much his agenda...with every RW religious wacko, nut job insane fundie praying
for it to happen.

KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:31 PM
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35. I predict the gun lobby would have a problem with this.
The right to bear arms heavily conflicts with "Thou Shalt Not Kill". :popcorn:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:39 PM
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38. But he seems like such a nice man with an easy smile
:sarcasm:
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:43 PM
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40. Indeed, even here
Somebody posted here asking why Huckster was even a Republican since he is so nice and progressive and everything. The fawning over Huckster polluted The Nation, The New Yorker, and lots of other supposedly progressive or liberal media outlets. Nobody seems bothered by his record of corrupt practices in Arkansas or his total nutjob whacked theofascism or his economic lunacy. Is he channeling Gomer Pile or Kevin Spacey? That is all the depth they try to analyze about him.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:53 PM
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42. He as much as said, in a debate, that he believes .......
....... King Tut and T-Rex were contemporaries.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:48 PM
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41. recommended so more will see this insanity
:scared:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:36 PM
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44. Thanks....
they just replayed it on the evening news.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:07 PM
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45. Its time to rapture Huckleberry on up!!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:51 PM
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48. If He Gets Elected He'll Probably Try to Bring On the "Rapture"
:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:51 PM
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47. he's the american taliban
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:59 PM
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49. he is a sanctimonious nutcase
:puke:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:01 PM
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50. How ironic that he wants to change the purpose of the document
that was intended to protect us from just that.:crazy:
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