MSNBC Announces Dennis Kucinich is IN the Nevada Debate

[sueh]

Source: Buzzflash

According to Tom Curry, National affairs writer for msnbc.com: "In Las Vegas, Democratic presidential contenders Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sen. Barack Obama, John Edwards and Rep. Dennis Kucinich meet for a televised two-hour skirmish which will air on MSNBC TV and msnbc.com, starting at 9pm ET

Read more: http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=36928

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Woo-Hoo

[annabanana]

1. Good! He and JE can tag team Hillary & Obama (the "only" candidates)

At least, according to the media...

[Renew Deal]

2. Kucinich isn't fond of Edwards these days.

[saracat]

5. And some of us aren't fond of Kucinich.

[eridani]

40. Kucinich has excellent reason to be pissed at Edwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSoCHfyYCew

I do wish he'd been honest about his motives, though.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. But they're both good guys. I'm just grateful they're all going to be a part. nt

[99th_Monkey]

13. Do you have any idea of what's going on there?

I was stunned that DK gave his Iowa delegate(s?) to Obama.

[Renew Deal]

16. It has something to do with Edwards taking PAC money

Or letting 527's advertise for him. It's something like that.

[jsamuel]

22. Edwards has never taken PAC money, Obama has.

Edwards has no say over 527's and neither does Obama who has some advertising for him too.

[Renew Deal]

26. Wrong and wrong

Obama doesn't have 527's running ads for him. Edwards had some group running ads in Iowa. That's why Kucinich is pissed.

[jsamuel]

29. No one "has 527's" running ads for them. 527's are running positive Obama ads.

That is a fact. There were some doing the same for Edwards. People just don't like to bring up Obama's Vote Hope 527. He also has a Vote Hope PAC as well.

[kenfrequed]

38. For the love of!!!

How many times do I have to say this?!!!!


It is strategy!


DK knows that if he sends delegates over to Edwards it is the equivalent of admitting defeat and borging up with the next most progressive candidate. His delegates then go away and don't accomplish anything.

If he sends them to obama he could have (had the media given him any attention at all) taken partial credit for obama's beating out Hillary. In other words, he stays a factor and might have even gotten some talk time on the political pundit BS shows.

It also would have knocked Hillary off her throne a bit and made her look beatable. That alone would have caused her to start to bleed support.

It had nothing to do at all with 527's. Nothing.

Edit--I am an idiot I accidentally typed in 427

[mzmolly]

17. I think so...

[ozone_man]

37. I think so too.

In 2004 it was Dean envy. :)

[robertpaulsen]

34. Well, here's his official explanation.

I received this in an e-mail:

Dear Supporter,

For the record:

1. New Hampshire is the first state where we are aggressively campaigning. Due to the Party lockout in Iowa, we chose to focus on New Hampshire.
2. I am the only person running for President who voted against the war, against funding the war 100% of the time, against the Patriot Act, and who stands for a universal single-payer not-for-profit healthcare system. Nevertheless I was excluded from Saturday night's ABC Presidential debate, or four tone monologue as it was.
3. In answer to your questions about why I didn't support former Senator John Edwards on the second ballot in Iowa: I have serious concerns about his connections to a Wall Street hedge fund, Fortress Investment Group. While attacking others for accepting campaign money from Washington lobbyists, he is up to his ears in money from Wall Street special interests.

He made half a million dollars in a single year for attending a few meetings for Fortress and has invested a substantial part of his own personal wealth in the hedge fund whose portfolios are responsible for sub-prime predatory lending practices, Medicare privatization, and an entire range of corporate sharp dealings that are driving the middle class into poverty.

While I indicated Senator Obama as a preferred second choice in Iowa, Progressives have fundamental disagreements with him and all of the other Presidential candidates on most of their major positions on the issues.

We must have the courage of our convictions to fully support and vote for what it is we really want. For once, we must realize our power, stop playing tactical games, and vote as a bloc - which, as you know, is what the religious right does and why they often win.

We Progressives are in the majority in this election. We will win only when we refuse to compromise and vote with integrity.

Dennis Kucinich

[gaiilonfong]

7. I don't think that is on Dennis's mind

He is a MUCH better and brighter person than that.
He wants to talk about issues.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. I wish he and JE would do exactly that! They are helping the truth get out

They are EDUCATING people and snapping them out of their brainwash.

[mzmolly]

12. My guess is Dennis wil chasten "Democrats" as usual.

:shrug:

[AnOhioan]

3. I assume this means....

that NBC lost their appeal to keep Dennis excluded. It is a good day for the voters of this country.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Dennis wins, and MSNBC looks like a communal asshat...

...except KO, of course.;)

[DS1]

6. I haz a podium

[Nite Owl]

8. Good

he deserves to be heard.

[99th_Monkey]

11. Last time I checked, 9pm EST was MIDnight on the West Coast? WTF?

I live in Oregon and would love to watch, but killed my tv and so I'll have to visit family or friend w/TV
... do you know what time PST it airs? is it really going to air here at midnight? That would suck.

[AllyCat]

18. Isn't that 6 p.m. on the west coast? They are three hours later than the east.

[99th_Monkey]

23. ahh.. hot damn, yur right...silly me. thanx.

[AllyCat]

25. Now you can watch it, if you can find a suitable venue

No cable at our house. Wish the debates were on public TV

[99th_Monkey]

33. I've got family & friends with cable, so I'm definitely all over it.. thanx.

[yodermon]

19. wrong way

9pm est is 6pm pacific
:hi:

[99th_Monkey]

30. What was I thinking? duh? Hope Dennis does well tonight.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

20. Maybe on the west coast of France! In the U.S. It's 6:00PM pst

[Truth2Tell]

21. Last time I checked

pssst. check again.

[99th_Monkey]

24. Done! thanx. ;-)

[AllyCat]

14. I hope they ask him some real questions instead and everyone gets equal time

I don't have cable..is this viewable online?

[TroglodyteScholar]

27. With MSNBC trying to shut Kucinich out altogether...

...what makes you even dream of a possibility of equal time?

[jsamuel]

15. that was posted an hour and a half ago and they are still in court

[mikelgb]

28. Nice going Dennis! (Does this mean no hearing at 4:30?)

I wager that this will be Dennis' last debate invite ate all.

Make it a good one Kooch

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. The hearing was 4:30 ET

And last I heard it was still taking place. I think this post is a bit premature.

[lovuian]

31. I think MSNBC should apologize to him and ABC should too

they were WRONG

[orleans]

35. this is not 100% yet. the article is nearly 2 hours old on msnbc and

the supreme court HAS NOT ruled yet. remember msnbc was appealing??? elizabeth kucinich just talked to someone at randi rhodes' show about 20 minutes ago and said the court was telling her that it could be another for them to rule. IT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED YET.

[the other one]

36. ¿ But will they ask him questions,

and if they do, will they give him time to answer ?

[Qutzupalotl]

39. Yes, all questions about UFOs.

Unfortunately I can't even add :sarcasm: