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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:39 PM
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Travels with Wiley
Into my fourth week vehicluarly housed. Getting a lot easier to get by. Work has been coming in. My "Acme shower" in the storage rental unit works superb. No problem parking my small 4 cylinder SUV in hospoital parking klot at night. No heat form security yet anyway.

In the world you get your choice:

1. A nasty parasitical landlord

2. Deadbeat disagreeable room mate.

Or

3. parking lot security telling you to move on.

The planet really is a prison folks.

Oh by the way. None of these notes are sent here as a request for help. Heck I'm SAVING money these days while reducing my carbon footprint, ie: don't use heat except for three gallon shower.

No the bell tolls for you my friends. Not me. Wiley is just ahead of the curb. YOU will be living this way down the road.

Frankly I enjoy it. It's work but fun and getting easier.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:43 PM
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1. Thanks for the update, wish I had a parking space for you!
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:43 PM by Angela Shelley
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:44 PM
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2. Oh, Wiley! I'm also "vehicularly housed"!
You seem almost jocular about it, but we both know what a drag it truly is!

My best to you!

:hug:
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:33 PM
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11. It's not a drag when compared to
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 02:34 PM by WileEcoyote
the viscious eyes of a bloodthirty landlord. Someone with full force of the police or sheriffs office to throw you out on the street if times get tough.

Again: I'm not writing this stuff for attention or to seek help. Am perfectly able to take care of myself though have leaned a tad (at times) on certain services of St. Anthony's and other wonderful people who REALLY do God's work.

No I write my stuff as a "How to" manual for those who haven't figured where the world is going to.

The USA is in the Third World now. Even our Food Stamp phone servers tech support come from India. Not kidding. In fact that thought deserves it's own topic.

BRB...
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:05 PM
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3. Hi Wiley
This may seem like a strange suggestion but I noticed you are about 70 miles from Niland. If you can spare the money for gas, you might want to take a trip down to Slab City. There are a lot of people there who are, or were, in a similar predicament and have a similar mind-set. Many are in RVs or travel trailers now but the main thing is they don't want to be in traditional homes and have created a place where they are pretty much left alone. I know it is very different than the situation you are describing but it may be informative.

Best of luck to you my friend.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:01 PM
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4. You're right and I'm scared....
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 05:06 PM by catnhatnh
...not so much in the outcome as the process.In a funny twist I may soon be a majority shareholder and president of a fully operational restaurant "corporation" AND be on the streets.....mind you I don't mean in the next 60 or 90 days, but there will be a reckoning in the next year and my house may not survive it depending on the business...
...Yet my position is probably no more precarious than that of half the board-we are each of us of the new class-the middle-class shorts-just a bad year or a medical emergency from a major change in lifestyle and status.It is the heartbreak of this brave new world that eats and gnaws with uncertainty in the night and most of us feel it. In the seventies with a wife and children I knew well the constraints of not enough money and second hand life, with used cars, and marked down food, and even those things that brought fun to life-a boat,or a pool...all the extra stuff being someone else's cast-offs. But what I NEVER knew then was dispair...and that is the greatest difference that could ever be-the difference between thinking that my second boat or pool MIGHT be new and today's thought that somewhere in the future a sheriff and humiliation awaits-not because I failed but because "they" changed the rules and doing so took the most precious things...certainty, faith in the future, and trust....
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:57 AM
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5. And nobody cares.
Exxon-Mobile enjoyed a $40.6 billion dollar profit in 2007 while countless numbers of people living in this country are homeless and hungry. Obscene is an understatement.
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:23 PM
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6. Well screw Exxon
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 04:24 PM by WileEcoyote
Want to know the truth? I'm living far better than many in this world. That those even in the USA who own homes, run businesses (I run my own and even hire folks from time to time. Ran a yellow pages ad the last time i lived "vehicularly housed") who consider themselves frantic about money or lack there of.

The average American is scared shitless of his mortgage lender or landlord.

Think of how wicked a person would have to be to own "income property". It is one thing to rent a motel space, chain saw or a lawn mower. Something we gladly pay to borrow once in a while because we don't need them every day. Quite another to extort funds legally from someone else whose sweat pays into your fortune. Extortion under penalty of homelessness, ruined credit and even possibly jail.

A sick twisted statement on America today that it not only condones the material above others survival but directly ENCOURAGES the virtual rape and pillage of it's citzens.

I will have no part of their endeavors again. Never again will I pay a worm of a landlord a dime.

Another thought: Your average "wealthy person" is far worse off than me. I've seen these parasitical, sick landlords actually strong arm their tenants on fucking CHRISTMAS DAY!!! No foolin. A couple years back my mindless, landlord was bugging the apartment dweller next door at 8 am Christmas day for his overdue rent. Knocking so hard on the door that it almost sounded like she was hitting my own apartment.

This a woman who owned at least a dozen multi unit dwellings in the S/F bay area. Properties that i knew of of from direct knowledge. In reality I must assume that she owned perhaps far more real estate.

OK now think for a minute how BAD and evil that person made herself look...

She's banging on the door of a late paying tenant on Christmas Day. Now from her economic perspective and as wealthy as her holdings make her she probably shouldn't even have been in that neighborhood without a couple bodyguards.

Yet she is fearful. Fearful of what? So filled with pain and self importance that she can't wait until January 2nd??? I mean who among us here would lower himself to the status of parasite and strong arm a fellow human being for the blood of his labor on Christmas day???

This is why i tell fellow democrats not to onw "income property". very few people who engage in this activity can do so without losing their soul.

I spoke to a supposed "Democrat" the other day. She claimed to be a landlord and a "Good Democrat".

It was all bullshit.

In order to equitably own and prosper from rental property a landlord would have to kick down part of his/her earnings to all former tenants who paid the bills. Everytime the property values increased each tenant (both former and current) would be entitled to an increased share. the property owner only drawing a self imposed wage for caretaking and some kind of moral profit for making the original investment.

However you will never see such an example. or rarely so.

The conscience of a rental property owner is non existent.

In short: No Democrat should rent property. Rental property being anathema to development of a moral soul. It is anti Christian and anti human.

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:39 PM
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7. well, I kind of do
but here is the situation- Grandma's will split all property evenly between my Mom (her daughter) and me. Mom has been renting out Grandma's house and sending some of the money to me (minus expenses) so we would not go hungry on Hubby's SSDI. We did not want to move into the house for various reasons, location being the chief reason. According to Mom, she rents the house out at below market rate to keep the current (good) tenants. She has it in her name for tax and other purposes.

So technically, I am sort of a "landlord". However, the "profits" are going to support the poor: us. It means I can afford the expensive protein powder that Hubby needs for his special dialysis diet.
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:59 PM
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8. Small time landlords aren't often the problem
It's the big time clowns that cause most of the problems. The ones who live absentee and only show to when someone is late with the money.

However it is a slippery slope. Far better for the moral conscience to perform labor and actually DO SOMETHING for the world. You probably already have a job anyway. Again: landlord/tenant relationships always involve potential involve legalized extortion. I would avoid them if i were you.

If you are a Christian? A real one and not a phoney baloney right wing nut?.

Well there are few landlords in the hereafter. A thought to keep in mind always.

It gets more complicated with stocks and mutual fund investments. In some cases the money may involve construction projects that extort rent from poor people. Or folks of lesser means. And we also know that dividends are taxed at a lower rate than the people who really produeced and earned the wealth for the share holders.

So as an absentee landlord you almost automatically share in blame for the unpleasant condition of those who must provide the monthly fare for your rent.

It wasn't something you planted, harvested, invested saved money into or even kept maintenance of. Is pure inheritance favoring those with estate rather than the sweat of their brow.

I highly urge you to support universal healthcare and divest yourself of your rental holdings.

Eighty years on the planet is a short time. Better to remain in the book of life and yet die poor.

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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:14 PM
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9. No democrat should own rental property?
I don't know what Democratic party you're talking about, but it damn sure isn't one with which I'd want to be affiliated. Sounds like you're talking about a religion or cult, not a political party.

Besides, if all landlords/ladies were republicans, then they'd ALL be shitty.

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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:28 PM
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10. Become a landlord?
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 02:29 PM by WileEcoyote
I can almost guarantee you will lose your conscience in your relations with tenants.

It's nearly a given. Only a person with an extremely high moral character could pull the job off ethically. And a person such as that wouldn't want the job of landlord.

Own income property?

You're no Democrat. Not to my definition. Like a vegetarian owning a slaughter house.

This is basic stuff folks. i often wonder why Democrats even debate this issue. it's such basic stuff. My god do you people have any pride or sense of human decency? What message are you sending the next generation?

"Be like Paris Hilton. It's OK to sit around the swimming pool waiting for the dividend check to come in..."
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:36 PM
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12. I've been looking forward an update from you!
You have more spice than a lot of people. And I can easily see myself in the same situation. Are you getting internet access in a library? I knew a guy who had three things- a laptop, a car, and a membership to the YMCA. He did this for a year and didn't just get by, he THRIVED.



:D
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:52 PM
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13. Are you a veteran?
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