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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:19 PM
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Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself..
hey Bush, I don't know what's going on down on Castro's side of the island, but I see what's going on down on yours:

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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM
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1. when I hear chimpy speak about "freedom and democracy"
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 02:24 PM by corkhead
I want to throw shit at the radio.

The republicon idea of "freedom" is for corporations to be "free" to exploit the people and natural resources of a country. Castro didn't play along. Neither is Chavez.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:27 PM
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6. When I hear him say anything, it makes me want to do more to support Democrats nt
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:12 PM
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32. Do you know how bad that would hurt after just a little while?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM
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2. Clear documentation of a war crime in progress.
Like the Germans before us, we proudly publish the evidence of our crimes, arrogantly confident that we will never be held to account.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM
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3. But they're evul terra'ists!
We have to abuse them and treat them like animals. How else will we establish ourselves as the Supreme Superpower? :sarcasm:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:23 PM
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4. ouch- the truth hurts-
sadly proud to rec. this Virginia Dare-

thank you for this.


:hi:


peace~
blu
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:27 PM
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5. I want to know if Obama will close Gitmo. Clinton, too.
McCain is hopeless.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:29 PM
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7. I want to know that too..
a Democratic society does not run concentration camps. A Democratic society does not torture people. Either we stop all of this, or we don't call ourselves a Democratic society anymore. The choice is ours.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:33 PM
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9. If I write about this, may I quote you?
"A Democratic society does not run concentration camps. A Democratic society does not torture people. Either we stop all of this, or we don't call ourselves a Democratic society anymore. The choice is ours."
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:35 PM
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11. Sure thing, I would be flattered!
I guess it seems like common sense to me....:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:48 PM
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14. Great. Thanks.
It will seem like common sense to other people, too, because you said it so clearly. :hi:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:34 PM
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10. Obama says it in every speech during this campaign
I heard it when I saw him in Minnesota, but he has been saying it all along. He's closing it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286552,00.

I invite you to check out his issues page on his website. You might like what you see.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:35 PM
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12. That's good to know. Thank you.
:)
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pegleg Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:31 PM
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8. This is the kind of thing that caused the Germans to face war crimes after WW2
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:47 PM
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13. I wonder what the long-term effects of this is to the soldiers who are doing it.
Will they have nightmares 10 years from now? I bet many a Ph.D. thesis in psychology will be written about this years from now.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:29 PM
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28. I am more concerned
with the effects on the prisoners in ten years.
If they live that long.
If they are still alive now.

My god.What have we done.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:36 AM
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34. Only the ones with any sort of conscience
The ones who are soulless sadists will reminisce about the good ol' days in their dotage.

Also, be reminded that this is nothing new. We've been torturing people for a long time now, and we've gotten quite good at it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:48 PM
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15. Nice reminder.
Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Virgina Dare.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:49 PM
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16. that was trick or treating on Holloween....cheney style
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:50 PM
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17. My God my dear, what a striking photograph. Thanks for sharing it.
Talk about visual impact.

Thanks for letting us see it.

Thom
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:56 PM
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19. That's Camp X-Ray..
it was closed after it became public what was going on there, there are still a couple of other camps up and running at GTMO though. I imagine it's much the same. God only knows what's going on other places.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:55 PM
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18. For the Republic "CHRISTians"...
For what you have done to the least of these brothers of Mine, you have done to Me.

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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:59 PM
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20. What are they doing to those men?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:13 PM
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26. Extreme sensory deprivation and sexual humiliation.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 05:13 PM by endarkenment
It is the SOP for our captives and it is working its way into our regular prison system as well.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:11 PM
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31. Clearly torture. Stupid, Stupid. Stupid.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:00 PM
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21. Look at Yoaself! Look at Yoaself!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:01 PM
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22. It's bad enough that we have sunk so low that we are compared
to Castro's Cuba. But when we are compared to Castro's Cuba and we look like the assholes.... :puke:
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:11 PM
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23. I'd like to know if either Clinton or Obama will pursue investigation and prosecution
of people in this administration for war crimes & other crimes against the Constitution.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:27 PM
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25. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they won't...
this will all be swept under the rug for the "sake of our country". Best case scenario is that Bush and Cheney have to go live in exile somewhere. That ranch in Parguay may come in handy yet.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:25 PM
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24. They hate us for our freedomses.
Obviously, if they didn't hate freedom, they wouldn't insist on being held in such abject captivity.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM
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27. Thank You.... The Hypocrisy in this Country is Amazing
instead of botchin about Cuba you'd think those same few would be bullshit about this.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:30 PM
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29. Great post K & R n/t
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:32 PM
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30. I just heard a clip of him speaking about Castro as I was driving home.
I'm by myself in the car, and I'm cursing at the radio because of the totally asinine, lying words coming out of his mouth. He tries to sound like Mr. Magnanimous, Mr. Moral High Ground, but instead, he sounds like an utter and complete lying fool, which he is.

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:36 PM
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33. Torture! Tyranny! Terror! War crimes on U.S.-contolled soil! ANTI-DEMOCRACY!
Sick!
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