Newsflash: A Lot of Men Hire Prostitutes for Sex

[Yavin4]

I know. I know. It's shocking. Men who do this do so because they like sex, and either they don't want to have sex with their SO or cannot have sex without paying for it or they want something new without forming a relationship.

No matter what the reason. A lot of men have sex with prostitutes. So, why not make it legal and regulate it so that NO ONE is exploited.

--On Edit--
I'm not excusing Spitzer who's a hypocrite of the highest order. I'm just saying that sex work should be legalized and regulated.

[Doctor Cynic]

1. Spitzer should resign regardless.

If he doesn't, he'll be on the same level as Mr. Diapers and Mr. Bathroom Stall.

Especially since he helped crush prostitution rings in the past.

[ingac70]

5. Exactly. He is a hypocrite. n/t

[EFerrari]

6. If we ask all hypocritical politicians to resign

we're going to have a staffing problem from hell.

[LiberalFighter]

13. Then maybe we will begin to clean up the mess.

[EFerrari]

18. It won't happen that way on Earth. n/t

[Teaser]

19. then we ask those who get caught to resign

.

[EFerrari]

20. If we ask only those who get caught to resign, that makes us hypocrites. n/t

[Teaser]

26. yeah, and?

I'm not interested in the hypocrisy angle. It's just a word.
I am interested in political intelligence. And asking those who get caught to step down is the politically intelligent thing to do.

[EFerrari]

30. Bill Clinton would probably disagree with you. n/t

[ingac70]

22. We'll still have the ones who haven't been caught.

Law makers busted breaking the law have got to go.

[EFerrari]

24. I disagree when it comes to State mediated sex between adults.

That's just stupid.

[ingac70]

32. Disagree all you want, it's still illegal...

and Spitzer vigorously prosecuted prostitution cases as AG. He is a scummy hypocrite.

[EFerrari]

57. This has nothing to do with legality or with scum.

It's about who is controlling the Justice Department. Grow up.

[goddess40]

48. Only the democrats the republicans always get a pass

If it's such a big deal than bring back the adultery laws and toughen them up. If a spouse has sex outside the marriage then they have walked away from their marriage and the offended spouse should get ALL of the marital assets.

[EFerrari]

56. This is all about politics, not about the law or about morality.

We all remember Alberto Gonzalez, right?

It's astonishing to me to see everyone jump to attack this guy. Yeah, he screwed up. But you can bet if he were a Republican, the wagons would be circled around him three deep.

[cliffordu]

9. Yeah, he just has to go...

Particularly since the fucking hypocrite used to PROSECUTE whores that were probably under the $5500 per toss he is used to down in Washington.

My view? Legalize and regulate. Protect sex workers, give them an out if and when they want to get out: Training, Education.

Same with drugs.

Get organized crime, and the rest of the fucking criminals out of all human activity requiring consenting adults.

Then they can prosecute real crimes, like kiddie porn and rape.

[LiberalFighter]

15. He committed a crime. Any elected official especially a Governor should not get a pass.

A Governor has a duty to uphold the law.

[bluestateguy]

2. The Nevada model works well

I'm not so sure we should legalize call girl rings, though. That may lead to some real problems.

[ScreamingMeemie]

3. That hasn't been the issue for me today.

I don't care about that. I care about Mr. Spitzer railing against it, claiming he would revamp ethics and then getting caught up in it. I care that he was right in line with the Republicans in 2004, wanting more wiretapping, more access. No pass for him. Now if it were four years from now, and it was legal...well it's not.

[Prefer]

4. I guess that makes it OK then

I still don't think I could ever bring myself to commit an act like that. Seems like selling your self short.

[Skittles]

27. it is sleazy and disgusting, no matter how they spin it

hiring someone to f*** :puke:

[rocktivity]

7. Prostitution isn't legal yet

as an attorney general, Spitzer got where he is by holding people accountable for their lawlessness. Otherwise, he wouldn't be looking like such a hypocritical idiot right now.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Stinky The Clown]

8. I agree with you

But this has nothing to do with Spitzer. Spitzer broke a law he made his bones prosecuting. He also had the chance to argue for lower penalties. he chose not to. he also sent back a $50K campaign donation to a guy who had a tryst with a sex worker.

[CoffeeCat]

10. There is something smarmy and dysfunctional...

...about men paying to have sex with a woman. This sets up an unequal dynamic, with the
man having power and control over the woman.

Why not just boink your secretary or someone you meet through a friend---or in a bar?

Paying sets up an almost-abusive dynamic, and I think men who buy women are more than likely to have sexual
addictions or very unhealthy attitudes toward women in general. They don't just want to have sex.
They want to buy it and have control over what happens.

Additionally, most prostitutes aren't making $5,000 per night, as in Spitzer's situation.

Most prostitutes are dirt poor, and they are exploited by their "customers" and by pimps
and often they are raped and mistreated. I imagine that most women working as prostitutes
in this typical, seedy fashion--were most likely sexually abused or hail from horrendously
dysfunctional families. They're just recapitulating their own abuse cycles--acting like the
devalued objects that their own families treated them as. Do we really want to perpetuate
abuse cycles and do we really want to make it ok and easier for women to behave in very
unhealthy ways?

Our society should be helping women, and rescuing them from prostitution--not making it
easier for them to live like this.

99 percent of prostitutes are not Julia Roberts and most Johns are not like Richard Gere--or
Elliot Spitzer, for that matter.

Just my 2 cents.

[Teaser]

23. Regulation removes some of the downward pressure

on prostitute wages. It would also eliminate the need for pimps, who take a disproportionate cut of a prostitutes earnings.

Personally, I just don't think we should be telling people what to do with their bodies.

And a prostitute, well, when you get down to it, is not that much different than anyone who uses their body to make another feel good and gets paid for it.
There are plenty of professions where that is legal.

[Yavin4]

28. By Making Porn Legal...

They were able to establish a legitimate, regulated business and made child porn a pariah. Today, the adult industry is heavily regulated with all kinds of laws requiring validating the age of the performers.

[Yavin4]

25. Most Men Are Horny

It's that simple.

>>Why not just boink your secretary or someone you meet through a friend---or in a bar?<<

Boinking your secretary will get you slapped with a sex harassment charge, and a lot of men do not do well in bars with women.

>>Most prostitutes are dirt poor, and they are exploited by their "customers" and by pimps and often they are raped and mistreated. <<

Because they have no LEGAL protection. If it were LEGAL, then they would not be exploited or mis-treated.

>>Our society should be helping women, and rescuing them from prostitution--not making it easier for them to live like this.<<

Believe it or not, some women (and men) enjoy sex work. It pays them well and allows them to have ample free time.

[Skittles]

29. not all men act like dogs

no matter how much you'd like to think so

[goddess40]

50. but we as a society teach them that they can't help it

I don't like it but it's true.

[raccoon]

53. "Why not just boink your secretary or someone you meet through a friend---or in a bar?"

Nothing--as long as she consents.

IME and IMO to some guys, it's like a contest, if they have sex, he "wins" the contest. If they don't, she "wins."

[shraby]

11. A lot of men do but a lot of men don't

have their wives beside them when apologizing to the nation. To me that's the ultimate in male chauvenism..humiliating the woman they chose for their life partner in front of the whole nation. For that, they only earn contempt.
To Idiot Politicians of Either Party
Leave the "love of your life" at home you a**holes if you feel the need to get in front of the microphone and bare your soul. Leave her with some kind of dignity even tho you have none.

[bicentennial_baby]

16. I completely agree with this

"To me that's the ultimate in male chauvenism..humiliating the woman they chose for their life partner in front of the whole nation. For that, they only earn contempt."

If he's such a "man", he should be big enough to go up there and apologize by himself. After the infidelity, that is the ultimate humiliation, parading your wife like that.

:puke:

[EFerrari]

31. You're assuming she wasn't there on her own.

:shrug:

[shraby]

41. There is a photo on huffingtonpost...

look at the woman's face and tell me she was there on her own. That is one devastated woman.

[EFerrari]

45. Not mutually exclusive but, I know. It breaks your heart. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

12. A lot of men? I disagree with that statement.

First define a lot of men. 50% or more? Hell no. 30% no. What is it?

Then provide supporting evidence.

[Yavin4]

14. A "Lot" Means More Than 0% and Less Than 100%

Put any number you want, but there's a reason why it's called the world's oldest profession.

My supporting evidence is the history of mankind on planet earth.

[LiberalFighter]

17. Your evidence wouldn't make it.

[Yavin4]

21. What Do You Want? The Sales Figures for The Bunny Ranch In Nevada

You want me to count the number of brothels in Thailand? How about the customer traffic to the legal brothels of Amsterdam? Or the number of arrests of streetwalkers in Red Hook Brooklyn. Or the number of escort services ads on Craigslist or in your Yellow pages?

Don't be obtuse.

[walldude]

33. Hey be careful with that Obtuse word..

It got Tim Robbins a couple weeks in the hole in Shawshank..


I agree that it should be legal. That said though, Spitzer is an idiot.

[Yavin4]

35. Shhh, I Got It from Tim Robbins

It's a great word.

[LiberalFighter]

58. I sure as hell am not going to take your evidence or word.

I will take data that has been analyzed by those using the right tools.

The Bunny Ranch couldn't do 50% of the U.S. adult males even in 30 years time.

[Jack Sprat]

34. I know, I know, I know.

It is one of those nutty American things to deny that people should not pay for sex, even when 2 consenting adults agree upon an exchange. It's like the marijuana law. It makes no sense. We just like to have a law against it to assume a position of righteousness. We have hypocrite politicians presiding over a hypocrite constituency.

I don't think a large percentage of men and women engage in the practice these days, though. Because it is unregulated, it is dangerous. I recall some grand experiences some 40 years ago though. Nevada's legal brothels were a better idea even back in the day, though.

Spitzer? I feel sorry for his wife/family. These stings are silly. The man wanted to have some sex with a different woman. Burn him at the stake. It's America, for gosh sakes.

[Yavin4]

38. I Live in the West Village in NYC

On warm nights, my block is literally filled with male prostitutes, and they're not out there at 3:00 AM for the exercise.

[The Straight Story]

36. After 10 years with my wife

I still have a ton of sex with her. I wouldn't think of going elsewhere, cause I could not pay for anything nearly as good as this.

Either I am lucky, or they have rw prudes for spouses (and it ain't just the men looking elsewhere....).

If men want prostitutes and not sex with their wives, I wonder why they are even bothered being married to someone they cannot or will not sleep with (read sex).

If you are not happy why stay? I can answer that I suppose - I was with my X for ten years, miserable, rare sex, and we hated one another but stayed together for the kids. In the end, it ended up hurting everyone more than if we had just split earlier on.

A relationship is about more than sex, but it is still a big part of it because when you pledge yourself to someone that is the one main thing you don't ever plan on sharing with anyone else. And if you give that up, and get nothing...it can be frustrating as hell.

And yeah, I cheated on my X and she did on me. I was wrong to do so though, and should have just left her - but something about having kids makes that kinda hard to do :)

[Berry Cool]

44. Thank you, TSS.

Whatever happened to fidelity? Is it so utterly impossible that it's not even worth considering?

As for that lovely phrase "sex work," I think it should be an oxymoron. Sex should not BE "work." It should not be a job people do for money. It should be a genuine expression of feeling between two people. God knows I wouldn't want to have sex with anyone who would consider it "work."

I realize that in the real world, where the vast majority of people think of the sex act as merely a necessary bodily function, as banal and ordinary as taking a piss, there will always be a market for people willing to do it for money. But that doesn't mean I think it should be legal.

Of course, I know even admitting that makes me hopelessly naive and old-fashioned. But I really don't give a shit.

[Thothmes]

47. I would agree with you.

The way I view the world, if the man can not live up to the oath he took at the time of his marriage, how can I, as a citizen, expect him to live up to his oath of office. He has lost my trust and confidence. This goes for any elected official, whether a state rep, a senator, a governor or a president.

[meowomon]

37. I agree that prostitution should be legal

But at this time, it is against the law in New York. If he is guilty, he should resign.

[Yavin4]

40. Again, I Agree That Spitzer Should Resign

He prosecuted prostitution rings whilst he was paying for his own. I think that there are grounds for dismissal of charges against the rings that he prosecuted.

However, all sex work should be legal.

[Fox Mulder]

39. I agree.

Prostitution should be legal.

[alfredo]

42. He goes out the front door, I slip in the back.

WHO'S MAKING LOVE
Johnnie Taylor

All you fellows, gather 'round me
And let me give you some good advice
What I'm gonna, gonna ask you now
You better think about it twice
While you're out cheating on your woman
There's something you never even thought of, and that is

Who's making love to your old lady
While you were out making love <(hear me now>
Who's making love to your old lady
While you were out making love

I've seen so, so many fellows
Fall in that same old bag
Thinking that a woman is made to,
To be beat on and treated so bad
Oh, fellows, let me ask you something
I'm sure that you never even dreamed of,


I know there are some women gives the other excuse
I'm not tryin' to run your life, boy it's up to you
Oh, you oh, you,

Reason why I ask this question
I used to be the same old way
When I decided to straighten up
I found it was a bit too late
Oh, that's when it all happened
Something I never, never dreamed of

Somebody was-a lovin' my old lady
While I was out making love
Somebody was-a lovin' my old lady
While I was out making love
Now who's making love to your old lady
While you were out making love
(Who? Who? Your old lady) (While you were out making love)

[fujiyama]

43. I agree with you...Regulate it and make sure the sex workers are clean

Tested for HIV and other STDs...

But Spitzer should have known better. This was the height of hypocrisy...I'm just stunned he'd do something this incredibly stupid!

[Hubert Flottz]

46. Is that why we first hired Joe LIEbermannnn?

[Dorian Gray]

49. Regulation

is a much better option than what we have now. It would cut down on the very dangerous street prostitution. I also think that attacking those that procure prostitutes would be more effective. Go after pimps, madams, and the like. They are the ones who abuse and victimize the women, often feeding their drug and/or alcohol habits. And violence is not uncommon, either.

Eliminating that aspect of prostitution is ideal.

[Iceburg]

51. That's why they shouldn't be leading any state let alone the country

any non-transparent activities (adultrous sex, drugs, and other illegal behaviors )comprise the security and welfare of the state and nation as those individuals thru their activities are subject to black mail.

We screen junior level athletes for drug use, we hold professional athletes publicly accountable for drug use and yet the MSM has a "don't ask don't tell policy" for the country's leaders.

LOL to the poster above... 'all men do ...so let's change the laws"

Better yet -- let's elect a woman ... cause most women don't!

This election should be about change - REAL CHANGE.

[raccoon]

52. I agree with you, but I don't think that'll ever happen in most of the US. nt

[Uben]

54. Hoes gotta eat, too! nt

nt

[goddess40]

55. Yeah and the married ones are all assholes too

with all the disease out there it's not a victim-less crime. Not to mention many women aren't in the "trade" by choice.

[ismnotwasm]

59. Boy, Girls, Women, Men

Children. Babies.

Yep. Regulation, that'll work. Nary a exploited prostitute again, as seen in those enlightened countries where prostitution is legal.

Do I need a sarcasm smilie?