Code Pink and Jon Stewart.

[lonestarnot]

They both just did a number on themselves. What was that I just saw? I thought they had more sense? :shrug:

[Breeze54]

1. Best Post Ever!!!!

seriously!1!

:P

[Bicoastal]

2. Well, you tell me...what just hapened?

[lonestarnot]

4. I see this is a duplicate thread, I will shut up and go to the other thread.

[kid a]

3. not the best representation of the cause. =(

[TheWraith]

8. The Code Pink people are, frankly, ridiculous.

They're a distilled core of the suicide dove left that would rather shout nonsense slogans, make noise, and get attention than do even one thing to actually solve the problem they complain about. They're a walking parody that they themselves don't appreciate.

Groups like Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America, Iraq Veterans Against the War, etcetera, do a lot more to end the war in a day than Code Pink has in its lifetime.

[Breeze54]

11. You are full of excrement, disinformation and lies.

Go read what they have accomplished, on their website, before you spout a whole lot of nonsense.

[TheWraith]

35. What they've accomplished? Nothing.

Other, that is, than making anti-war folk look like babbling hippies and irrational lunatics, attacking and tarring the Dem leadership, and generally acting like every cliche about incompetant and head-in-the-clouds liberal activists.

[Breeze54]

37. You seem to want to make shit up instead of

going and reading about what they have accomplished.

Enjoy your ignorance.

[TheWraith]

39. I've read the facts. I'm not impressed.

Why not name something they've accomplished, eh? The problem is, they really haven't accomplished anything. Besides various disruptor activities and toothless protests, the only thing that they've done is help raise money for relief in Fallujah in 2004. Good on them for that, but I don't see anything else useful coming out of them.

[Breeze54]

40. They also helped stop the FCC in 2003

And they've done a lot to raise awareness about this LIE of a war.
Maybe you forgot about all the people being afraid to speak up?
What have you done personally to put a stop to the lies
besides complain and ridicule others efforts? :shrug:

[TheWraith]

72. Assuming facts not in evidence.

I don't think that anybody didn't realize there was a war on, if that's what you're saying. And Code Pink did a hell of a lot less to "expose" the war than did the actual NEWS reporting. Sy Hersh, documentaries, Rajiv Chandrasekaran, Reichoff, et al. Shouting slogans and acting like fools? Not so much.

[EFerrari]

42. Kept the war in the news. I heard the other day that the war gets

just a few minutes a week now.

Also, the last time Conyers met with someone on impeachment, it was with Leslie from Code Pink. That was a couple of weeks ago, iirc.

Just because you can't keep up with what they do doesn't mean nothing is happening.

[Leopolds Ghost]

54. IVAW is to the right of Code Pink? Really? I do not think you want to question this one

IVAW is not to the right of Code Pink. Trust me.

Your attempts at guilt by association with "dirty hippies" are amusing.

[TheWraith]

73. Who the hell are you talking to?

Because you're clearly not reacting to anything that I actually said. My point was that Code Pink clearly fits a stereotype of crazy, wide-eyed anti-war people, and it hurts the image of legitimate anti-war groups like IVAW.

[Mojorabbit]

12. We work with those groups often

and to be honest, nothing any of us has done has done anything to end this war as of yet.

[lonestarnot]

18. I think you underestimate their dedication to ending the occupation of death and destruction.

[BlueManDude]

24. They are a GOP front group.

[Breeze54]

26. O.M.G.... please stop with the fucking BS!

:puke:

[BlueManDude]

58. funny how they always seem to get placed right in the camera shot at a cong. hearing

some bozo in a pink crown distracting everyone from the testimony of some or other gop lying criminal. just like rove would want.

they are perfect foils.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. WTF?!?!?!

I have seen a lot of drivel posted here lately but this definitely takes the cake.

[EFerrari]

41. And we all vote for Nader!

:wow:

[lonestarnot]

44. Yeah right.

:eyes:

[onehandle]

31. Yep. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Code Pink works WITH IVAW

Wouldn't it be up to IVAW to object to what Code Pink does?

Also maybe you don't realize this but there are quite a few CP members here on DU.

[Skittles]

5. Mr. Stewart is equal opportunity

yes INDEED

[Mojorabbit]

6. What happened? n/t

[lonestarnot]

7. Rob was interviewing pinkers in front of a recruiting station at Berkeley and

some of the answers pinkers gave sounded like they had been snorting glue. LOL It was totally embarrassing. One pinker interrupted another pinker while she was being interviewed. Sorry I do not give the best descriptions. There was also a question from Rob re freedom of speech or Marine freedom of speech and when a stupid answer was given, he drove his point home. (He's an X marine.)

[TheWraith]

9. One of the gems was when they were talking about how if we got rid of weapons...

...there would be no violence, ever, anywhere. Rob prompted her with the idea that if we got rid of police, there would be no crime. She then agreed with that statement.

Snorting glue is the best case scenario.

[jgraz]

14. SHIT -- I was right down there today!

I drove past the protest about 5 times. Never saw any Daily Show folks. :(

[Up2Late]

22. It was probably taped a few weeks ago, maybe when the show as on break...

...when Jon was doing the Academy Awards?

Show pieces like that probably take a week or so to produce and edit.

[lonestarnot]

17. I started looking for pink paint!

:rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

56. Interesting -- there were no police in this country before the 1870s

Yet somehow there is just as much, if not much more crime.

[Mojorabbit]

10. What a shame

when we do any type of action we have a designated person to speak to the press and who is on message to prevent this type of thing.

[lonestarnot]

16. Same on this side of town. Yes a damn shame.

[Breeze54]

13. Were they real young or what?

I wish I could have seen this....

[lonestarnot]

15. Yes.

[Breeze54]

19. That 'splains a lot.

;)

[lonestarnot]

20. Yes it does.

[Breeze54]

21. Sounds like some high school kids spouting off...

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=3622">Berkeley Says No to War and Recruiting!

"Our goal is to have clear zoning regulations for military recruiting and to put citizen pressure
to shut down on the existing recruiting station that is just blocks from Berkeley City College,
UC Berkeley, and Berkeley High School." ~ Berkeley Community Peace Activists

[TheWraith]

23. Actually, a lot of them seemed to be women in their 30s and 40s. Not really young. nt

[WildEyedLiberal]

25. Haven't you heard? Only young people can be dumb and naive

:eyes:

[Breeze54]

28. What a stupid comment.

You should knock that chip off your shoulder.

[Skittles]

29. actually

it did come off sounding that way

[WildEyedLiberal]

48. What's stupid is the assumption that they MUST be young

to have made such inane comments, as if age is some miraculous antidote to naivete or foolishness.

[Breeze54]

53. Wow.. is that what I meant? Thanks for telling me.

:crazy:

No, that isn't what I meant. I was concerned that there were high school kids being baited.
The demonstration is right near a high school and a community college. And I was also concerned
that CP was being misrepresented by people who pretended to be from CP. My initial understanding
of that interview was that the founders of CP were being interviewed and what I was reading here
just didn't sound like them. They know their facts. That's why I was asking lonestar who was there.

[Breeze54]

55. BTW? I didn't assume anything. I asked; "Were they real young or what?"

How is that assuming? From what the comments here were saying, they sounded pretty young.

[lonestarnot]

45. People in a spotlight that they are not used to does funny things.

Youth does not always enhance public speaking experience. Not picking on young people.

[Breeze54]

27. Not according to lonestarnot

He said they appeared to be quite young... in that interview.

[40ozDonkey]

30. They ranged in age from 20's to 40's

I'm confused why this matters.

[TheWraith]

32. I don't know what show lonestarnot was watching, but that's not right. nt

[lonestarnot]

38. The interviewees were not 30 or 40. Bullshit.

[SquatDog]

70. here's a link, watch and decide

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=163653&title=marines-in-berkley

they aren't kids.

[Winterblues]

36. Well at least no one at DU ever makes a fool of themself

I love Code Pink and have the greatest respect for them but in this one instance they made themselves look like idiots. Remember they are like Democrats. Never on the same page and quite disorganized..but they do have the best intentions..IMO

[Johonny]

43. good piece

I think Rob did a good job with it.


The interview was dull though. The general really had nothing to say. Really sucked the air out of the whole show.

[lonestarnot]

46. For pugs in pink who perhaps infiltrated this dedicated movement.

Fuck the piece.

[EFerrari]

47. It's not like Code Pink stands on ceremony, is concerned with dignity

or represents the Democratic Party.

If they make mistakes, big deal. All by itself, that ethic counters the slick media bullshit that we've all been force fed.

[Johonny]

50. I think

I laughed. Rob did a good job. I have no doubt there were people there that could have given a much better defense of the pink movement. But that would not be funny. TDS IS a comedy show. I credit the pink people for having a sense of humor. I like what Colbert says about crediting the politicians that come on his show having the guts to show a sense of humor about themselves.


The real negative on the show last night was the terrible interview with the general. The guy wouldn't comment on anything of interest. Why interview someone that is in a position where they won't comment on those most interesting topics they have knowledge on?

[EFerrari]

51. I didn't see it. But I've gone out with CP many times.

They have a great sense of humor and are, for me anyway, a huge RELIEF from stuffed shirts. And, I love the Daily Show. Comedy should be an equal opportunity offender. :)

[riverdeep]

49. Stewart does not like Code Pink.

Every time I've seen them covered on his show, you can tell he thinks they're just vapid, silly troublemakers.

Berkeley may have swung too far on the anti-military continuum, but I'm still glad to see there are some places that don't automatically worship the military. That's just a dangerous thing to do.

[EFerrari]

52. But we will continue to love Stewart

and that will be his cross to bear. :evilgrin:

[Drunken Irishman]

57. I watched and was embarrassed for them.

It's unfortunate these people are the face of the anti-war movement, because they have definitely set it back. Not to say there aren't some dedicated, intelligent members of Code Pink, however, the ones they showed were complete dolts. Talking about free speech and then stating the military recruiters don't have a right to their own free speech? :wtf:

[lonestarnot]

60. Well under UCMJ they actually do not have free speech. They are property of the United States

Government. Heh.

[Drunken Irishman]

64. Well I meant they have the right to recruit.

As a whole. Regardless, they looked pathetic out there. Code Pink needs to teach its members new talking points.

[lonestarnot]

66. On this I cannot disagree. It was a sad picture.

[SquatDog]

71. thats remarkably ignorant

Show me in the UCMJ where it states that military members are government property and I'll send $100 to you favorite charity.

[DS1]

59. Code Pink are a joke

[lonestarnot]

61. They is?

Or do the parts make up the whole? It are.

[Recursion]

62. I have to hope they edited out the sensible interviews

The blanket, knee-jerk, ignorant distrust of anything involving the military was really creepy.

[galledgoblin]

63. HIPPIES. XD

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=163653&title=marines-in-berkeley

I like Code Pink, but I agree with TDS/Riggle on this one. it's an office along a business strip, not recruiters in disadvantaged high schools.

[Breeze54]

65. Thanks for the link but their office

is right in the same area as a high school, a community college and another college.
Recruiters are in all high schools (NCLB) but they do go to low income more often, it seems.

[galledgoblin]

67. recruiting offices near colleges don't bother me

by college age, they aren't directionless kids any more, they're directionless adults!

near high schools... bothersome, but if they aren't going directly into schools and telling kids who can't see a future for themselves beyond flipping hamburgers that they should join up, then I wouldn't protest it.

IN high schools, actively telling kids who think they don't have a future half truths to get them to sign up for the meat grinder... yeah, that bothers me, that's where I draw the line.

[Breeze54]

68. But they ARE going into the high schools!!

No Child Left Behind mandates that they have access to all the personal
information of all the students unless the parents 'Opt-Out'!!! :grr:

And even that doesn't always work unless you are diligent!

--------------

Online NewsHour: Military Recruiting in High Schools
-- Dec 13, 2004 ...
JOHN MERROW: Today the military has access to high school students
because of the federal No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. ...

www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec04/recruit

----------------

Army recruiting chief says access to high schools is critical, calls for end to "opt-out"
http://www.counter-recruitment.org/website/

:grr:

[galledgoblin]

69. and like I said, it bothers me

but this was not an example of military recruitment within high schools.

this was a protest targeted at that specific office, which I think is a waste of time and resources to protest, especially because it is an example of one of the better locations for a recruitment office to be placed.