Here's All We Need To Know About The Spitzer Sting

[KingOfLostSouls]

Attorney General Michael Mukasey was made aware of the investigation because it involved a high-ranking political official.

Charges against Spitzer have not been decided and it depends mostly on "how aggressive the U.S. attorney wants to be," the law enforcement official said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_re_us/spitzer_prostitution_70






and yet harriet miers and josh bolton are running free and mukasey refuses to investigate them. its bad enough the GOP is already holding one democratic governor hostage as a political prisoner down in alabama.

if DOJ decides to go through with prosecuting spitzer, then its gonna be an open witch hunt for democratic nominees this season. mukasey is refusing to investigate miers and bolton. if he goes through with spitzer on far less charges, then its time to call bullshit. you can guarantee that the evil regime in charge now will be using the DOJ to try everything and anything they can before the election. spitzer could very well be the opening salvo.

[selador]

1. it's a clear cut crime

caught on frigging audio tape, with significant accoutning evidence to back it up

of COURSE the AG was made aware of it, during the investigation. it would be surprising if he WASN'T

this isn't a salvo on anything, except a politician caught getting his wick wet.

personally, i don't CARE since i think prostitution should be legal

i never liked spitzer, but i find it more humorous than scandalous

[0007]

3. .....a ha another fisherman or troller. Which is it young man?

[selador]

7. it;s called

a person who considers facts and evidence before (what i have seen here in spitzer, not to mention the duke case) speculation, political fluff, and conspiracy nuttery

this was, all evidence points to, a garden variety case of the sort that stems from financial anamolies

i've seen scores of them. how many have you seen?

it's neither remarkable, nor suspicious

it fits a common fact pattern - hubris, cognizance of guilt leading to attempts to hide evidence, leading to (ironically) more lipstick traces of guilt due to hamfisted coverup attempts

[rhett o rick]

23. You missed the point entirely selador. Spitzer should be held accountable.

But the bigger picture is that the DOJ and FBI are being used to target Democrats. Can you spell fascism??

[selador]

31. and as soon

as you can point me to evidence that they targeted spitzer because he's a democrat in this case, let me know

it's GARDEN VARIETY

i agree he should be held accountable - jail time, i don't think so, but probation would be reasonable assuming he is found or pled guilty

[rhett o rick]

35. Are you at all familiar with the story? Do you think it was an accident he was wiretapped?

Why did they start investigating him? Are you familiar with how "they" went after Don Seigleman? They tried to get something sexy to charge him with but he was clean, so they trumped up something else. The CEO of Quest wouldn't violate the FISA law for Bush-fascists and they put him in prison. No one is immune to them and their power.

The day will come when we throw off the oppressors. Which side will you be on sir??

[selador]

37. no

"Why did they start investigating him?"

read the PC cert. i've answered this question at least twice.

"Are you familiar with how "they" went after Don Seigleman? "

yes. and there is CLEAR evidence the siegelman case was a travesty of injustice

there is no evidence of that in this case.

"They tried to get something sexy to charge him with but he was clean, so they trumped up something else. The CEO of Quest wouldn't violate the FISA law for Bush-fascists and they put him in prison. No one is immune to them and their power. "

gr00vy. but this isn't siegelman. sometimes a chair is just a chair

"The day will come when we throw off the oppressors. Which side will you be on sir??"

against, the oppressors. what i've been against my whole life

what i will also be agaisnt is conclusion without supporting facts

here's a theory: collect facts, THEN form opinion

[rhett o rick]

40. There are tons of facts and testamony how the DOJ has been manipulated

to eliminate those that will not use there powers against the Democrats. If you haven't seen these facts you either have your head in the sand or are a republican. I do not have specific facts to prove that Spitzer was targeted but it looks like it to me. The bank noticed some irregular payments and called the FBI?? Oh right. It looks like a Rove, smells like a Rove, it is it is Karl Rove once again. I think you will find that the bank that reported Mr. Spitzer had an axe to grind.

Once again, Mr. Spitzer should be held accountable for his actions, but more importantly the fascist's must be stopped with their political attacks.

[selador]

41. and again

sometimes a chair is just a chair

i don't see black helicopters

i see a basic PC cert with very basic investigation, that i have seenbefore and is very typical

the behavior of spitzer is also predictable and typical

[rhett o rick]

43. a fascist is a fascist. If you don't see the black helicopters, it is because you

choose to have your eyes closed. Wake up, you fool. They have violated the Constitution and the corporations rule. Exxon making record profits while the poor are starving. The republican controlled DOJ is targeting their opposition. They will do anything to maintain power. Immunity for telecoms that broke the law. Tyranny is here. The newspapers and tv won't talk about the immunity debate, or why Valery Plame was outed, or the fact that children are imprisoned in Taylor Texas at the cost of $80,000 per year. It is time to choose sides. Whose side are you on sir?

[0007]

30. Your hubris lead me to believe your so full of yourself and dumb

on top of it.

"i've seen scores of them. how many have you seen?" Your wisdom and oldtimer remark failed to hit the mark sonny boy.

[selador]

32. brilliant retort

i happen to have experience in this area.

and i am relying on it, in addition to ACTUAL evidence, vs. yer black helicopter spec'ing and name calling

evidence... it's what's for breakfast

[rhett o rick]

11. Larry Craig was caught in the flesh, so to speak. Mr. Spitzer was caught

by a republican controlled wire tap. republicans are nazi.

[selador]

16. not a good example

vitter is a good example

what larry craig was caught doing, resulted in an acquittal for the exact same offense by another guy, just a day or two ago.

it's a grey area of constitutional and criminal law - there was no money offered for sex, and even an arguably free speech issue (soliciting for sex, as long as money is not offered is not illegal. the issue is the public decency aspect)

vitter otoh, is a clear cut case

as is spitzer

spare me the "republican controlled wire tap". it was anamolous money transfers

dems would have done the same

spitzer is not angel. it's a garden variety case

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[selador]

19. lol - speaking of black helicopters

typical.

present evidence to counter black helicopter spec'ing and im a "freeper"

how many freepers are pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-national health care?
i am

so spare me the rubbish

[KingOfLostSouls]

21. black helicopters

yeah, and a president would never lie to us to start a war in the middle east.




lets be honest here, its not like spitzer's innocent. its how far mukasey is going to take it, if they were fishing for evidence on him using illegal wiretaps, etc etc.

likewise the fact mukasey has already blown off enforcing subpoenas, investigating republicans, etc etc at every turn. this is the perfect litmus test.



honestly, you must be either naive or stupid or a combination of the both to think that this administration wouldn't do that.

[selador]

26. yes he would

"yeah, and a president would never lie to us to start a war in the middle east."

yes he would. so what?


"lets be honest here, its not like spitzer's innocent. its how far mukasey is going to take it, if they were fishing for evidence on him using illegal wiretaps, etc etc"

and as soon as there is evidence that the wiretaps were illegal, let me know

here's a hint. the tap used in this investigation is VERY VERY typical.
ironically, it's typical of the type of tap that SPITZER (mr crusader) used frequently in investigations

that's the irony.

[0007]

33. You try so very hard to be like us or tell us things you think will

make you okay with us. Linda Tripp was just like us and YOU too, remember her?

[selador]

34. linda tripp

i don't try to be like anybody but me

stop yer projecting.

as for tripp, iirc she conducted illegal recording based on 2 party consent law in her jurisdiction (iirc that was the law)

all the evidence points to the spitzer recording as being perfectly legal

here's a hint: facts matter.

when you play politics BEFORE facts, you are as bad as them

and you are presenting evidence that you are

[rhett o rick]

38. Larry Craig pleaded guilty to a lesser charge. Had he gone to court his ass would

be in prison.

And words like this: "resulted in an acquittal for the exact same offense by another guy, just a day or two ago." give you away. That is the kind of evidence and sources that Fox News gets away with.

Do you deny that the DOJ and FBI are controlled by the republicans?

Do you believe that the ends justify the means? Are you Karl Rove?

[selador]

42. false

first of all, nobody goes to PRISON for a misdemeanor

you go to jail

second of all, very very few people go to jail for what craig did. the routine penalty is probation and a fine and a wiped record after a year of probation.

those are facts. you seem immune to them

2nd the not guilty finding cite is here...
http://wcco.com/local/larry.craig.appeals.2.672718.html
"Thirty-nine-year-old Vince Tuzon used a similar argument to Craig in pleading not guilty. Tuzon claimed he wasn't guilty because the police officer initiated the foot-tapping.

On Friday, a Hennepin County jury agreed with Tuzon.

"My client really feels that he was set up," defense lawyer Jeffrey Dean said. "He stopped in to use the restroom. He was using the toilet when he was essentially bombarded with overtures."

as for your ad hominem ridiculous slurs, i'm not going to lower myself to your level to respond

here's a hint. facts matter

people do not go to PRISON for disorderly conduct.

lol. amazing ignorance

VITTER? clear cut case of guilty/criminal behavior

that's a better example, and that's why i corrected the OP

you can look att facts or rhetoric. i prefer the former

[global1]

2. Is There Open Season On Dem Governor's?........

Blago in Illinois is feeling some heat with the Rezko trial.

How important is it for the Repugs and Rove to take out as many Dem governors as possible?

[acmavm]

5. I don't know, probably pretty important. Now let us ask how

friggin' important it was for Spitzer to hire a whore?

[HowHasItComeToThis]

6. DEAR DOJ, PLEASE LOOK AT REPUB PARTY AND RICO ACT

THANKS,
JOHN Q PUBLIC

[KingOfLostSouls]

10. I'd say pretty important

since the dems are going to increase their majorities in congress, the repubs need to make as many power grabs in the state levels as possible

then spend the next 4 years crying "STATES RIGHTS, STATES RIGHTS!!!"


don siegelman was the test case. spitzer was a future presidential contender.

governor's play a huge part since they're state executives and dems have a majority of governorship's now.

I'm expecting something pretty nasty up this way with that slimeball dino rossi going after chris gregoire's seat.

[lonestarnot]

4. Exactly what happens when we allow justice to become politicized.

[MrCoffee]

8. If this was political, charges would have been filed against Spitzer already.

Why haven't charges been filed, if they're trying to take him down?

[KingOfLostSouls]

12. repubs already threatening to impeach him

if he doesn't resign.

if the DOJ doesn't file charges and spitzer stays, repubs are going to politicize sex.

[MrCoffee]

15. Of course they are...it's what State legislatures do

What else would you possibly expect of them? Do you think the NY Legislature is taking its marching orders from Mukasey?

[KingOfLostSouls]

17. repubs are

I think its funny that some people are so willing to dismiss the fact that repubs went fishing and found something on him.


I mean, anyone who doesn't believe repubs are out to seize power any way possible also probably don't think a president would lie to get us into a war in the middle east.

[lonestarnot]

27. Dems and Vitterdiaper, Dems and Widestancer ugh what did you

hear of impeachment there?

[rhett o rick]

14. Whaaaaaaat???? What's their hurry? They got him right where they want him. nm

[lonestarnot]

25. Trust me, much talk taking place.

[selador]

9. and as soon

as there is some EVIDENCE of politicization of justice iN THIS CASE, let me know

the pattern here has been - it's a dem governor, and a repub admin, hence it HAS to be

which is bogus

plenty of examples of politicized investigations by bushco

no evidence this is an example of same

[lonestarnot]

28. And you are thinking what now?

[lonestarnot]

29. And you are thinking what now?

[0007]

36. Spitzer just resigned. Does that fit into the scheme of things

Mr. Party man?

[Bake]

13. And yet Larry Craig stayed in office.

Hell, he's hiring INTERNS!

And David Diaper Boy Vitter is still in office.

What's the difference? They're Pukes. IOKIYAR!

Bake

[rhett o rick]

20. If you think this is the opening salvo you haven't been paying attention.

Don Siegleman is already in federal prison and so is the CEO of Qwest. Both are political prisoners of the Bush fascist regime. I am sure there are others. The republicans have the DOJ and FBI to help them bring down the Democrats.

It isn't that Spitzer shouldn't be held accountable, but the republicans have made it one-sided. We are at war. It is going to get rougher. This is not "just politics" friends. Billions of dollars are at stake here.

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[KingOfLostSouls]

22. indeed

don siegelman is a perfect example

a political prisoner in america. who'd ever have thought the day would come.

[HamdenRice]

24. EXACTLY! It's astounding people can't see that

They can't see the implications for the Democratic Party.

[ProgressiveFool]

39. Our side - "Impeachment is off the table"; Their side will use the full resources of the DOJ

Can we get rid of Pelosi now? She says, using our voice, we will take accountability off the table, when, at the same time, the Rethuglicans are using every means at their disposal to investigate and prosecute prominent Democrats.

And I'll bet you five to one that when we win the White House, our Dem president will de facto blanket pardon all those bastards, in the interest of "moving on" and doing what's best for the country.

Fuck, I'm tired of being the party getting reamed all time.

[rucky]

44. It's not like Bolton and Miers were cavorting with hookers...

jeez, what's a little obstruction of justice when there's people out there having sex with strangers?

[WillowTree]

Self delete.

Managed to click twice. Sorry.

[WillowTree]

45. If you've got enemies who want to make a target of you...

....it's wise not to do anything that gives them something to aim at.

Spitzer's a very smart guy. Sadly, not quite smart enough to have learned that little lesson.