Bush's War Part II on Public Television -

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Last night was maddening :grr:

[Faygo Kid]

1. Great television. Everybody watch it - please.

Maddening, indeed. Mesmerizing. And for a change, the truth.

[defendandprotect]

74. Everytime I look in, I see something like Bumiller . .. NY Times .. .

this is very low-key reporting --- IMO

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2. anyone watching?

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3. here we go again with the criminals and their witnesses, yet Congress sits wringing their hands

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4. Discretion advised===graphic imagery warned!!! Bush without clothes? lol

[Up2Late]

7. Just close-ups of Bush's face is bad enough for me.

:puke:

[defendandprotect]

52. Yeah . . . it really has to be putting him behind bars for me to watch . . .

it's so slow and that spooky overvoice ---

I'll keep trying --- but so far haven't seen much value in it ---

[Up2Late]

5. This is where it really starts to get crazy...

...like part one wasn't crazy enough.

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6. Turncoat Tenet was behind this----wanted to be part of the heavy crowd

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8. "nothing to worry about. Saddam is dead." Famous last words from the bushies

[Up2Late]

9. And then the looting starts

What did Rummy say?

"Stuff Happens...":banghead:

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10. why no attempt to get order? A: Saddam had 250K forces to7K US forces

Rummy: Freedom to do bad things and wonderful things! CRIMINAL.

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11. Pro-Chalabi vs. anti-Chalabi---why did BushCo prefer Chalabi? Got OIL?

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12. Rummy: "Henny Penny the sky is falling, nothing's going wrong in Iraq!"

[bdamomma]

13. oh, I was livid when I was watching it, they (Cheney and Rumsfeld)

had this planned for a long time, Cheney's vendetta against the resignation of Nixon, Cheney is the big problem he must be impeached first, why hand this psychopath so much power, he is behind everything.

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14. Wizard of Oz fantasy! What a bunch of idiots

[Up2Late]

15. "The ding-dong, the witch is dead" strategy.

Un-F*cking-believable. :banghead:

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16. Condi wouldn't stand up to Rummy & where is Dimwit? Doing what ever Cheney tells him

:grr: Extraordinary bond with the pResident )condi).

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17. Bremer good friend of Libby's---the right kind of conservative---you mean oily & greedy?

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18. BushCo liked Bremer's lack of experience!!! How transparent.

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20. you allies do the peacekeeping so we can leave! (Wearing his codpiece)

[Carrieyazel]

19. It was maddening, but there have been many other great Frontline specials

that have gone over all of the deceit and criminality by Shrub, Chainee and Bumsfeld. This one is probably the best of the bunch, though, tied with another doc, Bill Moyers "Selling of the War".

Still, none of this shocks me whatsover, as I've seen it in different formats on the same show and elsewhere.

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21. Bremer's first thought---shoot the looters! How diplomatic

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22. Bremer can't remember he was warned by Garner against de-Baathification

yeah, right! :grr:

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23. why isn't this guy hauled up before Congress to answer a few q's about his puppetmasters?

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86. another bushie who can't remember what he recollected before he couldn't recollect he remembered

[Up2Late]

24. I think they said this is sort a composite of all of the previous ones...

...sort of a what we've learned plus.

[Carrieyazel]

47. Yes, you're right.

[defendandprotect]

56. Is this going to be clear to anyone who still supports the war ? Will it wake anyone up??????

[CatWoman]

25. Bremer is coming out of this looking like honey dipped shit

:grr:

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26. he was taking orders from Rummy & Cheney, the two geniuses (sarcasm)

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27. pRes Cowboy doesn't want to take on al-Sadr when he had an army of 200

What a decisive leader this asshat is!

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29. I know it's not news but CHENEY and Rummy are behind all of this. They dragged Idiotson along

and it didn't take much with his inability to synthesize

[Up2Late]

28. "Never having the Intestinal Fortitude to submit it"

I love that sort of "new speak!":evilgrin:

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30. Tenet takes the hit for the higher ups' screwup on the Niger yellowcake story

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31. Tenet must fall on his sword so * can be elected again. TRAITORS, all of them!

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75. Did they mention the PLAME outing at that point --- ??????

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87. Yes, Cheney's fingerprints are all over it

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96. Good, good, good --- !!!! Thanks -- !!!

[Up2Late]

32. Tenant resigning for "personal reasons." Yeah, RIGHT!

His personal reasons were probably because he though * was an *ssh*le.:grr:

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33. pRes AWOL shouts, "Bring em on!" He needs to be in jail NOW

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34. Rummy, "when you gonna get this thing wrapped up?" What a fucking ass!

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36. Rummy signed the torture documents---so why isn't he indicted on war crimes?

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57. Did they cover the TORTURE stuff yet . . . making clear that Bush/Rummy signed off ????

Is this going to be clear to the average person who doesn't pay a lot of attention and supports the war?

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66. Rummy's name is on the documents but Bush wasn't mentioned as as signer

unless i missed it

[malaise]

35. All I feel is blinding rage

That's they're getting away with this is mind-blowing.

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37. we know who's responsible, we know who signed the documents, but they're walking around getting rich

er :grr:

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38. indecisive, incompetent and inhumane---thank you for that new US profile, Bushco

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39. "you're doing a superb job, Rummy!" ----pRes AWOL

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42. Bremer leaves Iraq out the back of the cargo hold to helicopter taking him to far end of airport

Great security situation you left behind, Bremer!

[malaise]

46. It breaks my heart

and sickens my stomach. :puke:

[bdamomma]

61. to let these thugs get away with murder literally and figuratively

is horrific. And they will play by the same playbook again to invade Iran, god forbid. If these thugs were in another country doing this the populous would have been all over them, what is wrong with us?

[tilsammans]

40. Those BASTARDS!

:mad: :grr: :banghead: :rant: :puke:

:mad: :grr: :banghead: :rant: :puke:

:mad: :grr: :banghead: :rant: :puke:


Lock 'em all up, and throw away the key.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

41. did i miss some part - Shock and Awe seems totally omitted

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43. it was earlier

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45. war tourists: come out to do a patrol by Hunvee, then retreat to large bases

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

49. thanks

[Up2Late]

44. I still don't get how the 2004 Election was even close with all this crap going on.

WTF happened? :wtf:

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48. we paid al Sadr $330 million to leave us alone? Geesh, nothing like a bribe, huh?

[Pavulon]

55. Oddly

we are currently surrounding sadr city. He will either take more money to play politics or we will kill him.

Very dangerous situation.

[defendandprotect]

60. Were Americans that stupid . . . I say NO! These computer steals have

been going on since the computers came in during the mid-1960's . . .

PLEASE SEE:
http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

You can scan or read the book there --- Votescam, The Stealing of America
by Jim & Ken Collier

They were Florida journalists who wanted to do a story on the elections and decided that
one of them would run for office. Election night, they totals jumped --- and then, after a "computer breakdown" fell again -- and they began an investigation.
In the early 70's they had a major book deal but when their books hit the bookstores, they
were suppressed. Their family keeps the website going to try to get the informatio to the public.

[Carrieyazel]

50. The 2000 Election was the most vital and crucial election of our time.

That we let these whacked-out murderous pukes, thugs and vermin steal it, sealed America's fate. Al Gore taking office was absolutely essential to prevent these scum from taking power. I had little problem with Repuke scum controlling the Congress, because we all knew as long as we had executive power, we block these vermin from ruining our country.

Plenty of blame to go around of course; but Al Gore should have screamed loud and clear during the campaign. That Shrub had no competence to be President, had a pathetic record, would be a terrible President and would take this country down the wrong road. That he didn't challenge Shrub more strongly still remains a mystery to me.

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53. Gore's tragic flaw: too much the gentleman, not enough the scrapper

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62. Certainly they all knew how corrupt the Bush family is .. . and Liebermann -- !!!

[bdamomma]

89. the Supreme Court had alot to do with the election too.

our votes were totally dissolved by this thuggish regime. They did in 2000 and again in 2004 will they do it again very possibly yes, with McCain, sad, instead of our candidates ganging up on McCain, they are ganging up on each other.

[Carrieyazel]

99. Gore should have had many more votes to prevent the theft.

By 2004 it was already too late. They now had what they wanted, so they couldn't steal what they already stole in 2000.

McCain though will likely prevail without a stolen election. He's in a good position right now, I'm afraid. It does not look good.

[Pavulon]

51. Very neutral. Effective.

Very solid reporting. The kind that was not done before the war.

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54. Cheney and the "last throes." This guy is a war criminal along with Rummy

[Pavulon]

58. Taken as a whole

it is very depressing. Largest mess in recent military history.

At some level we are responsible for the people there for some future.

We cant leave them to die.

[bdamomma]

92. but this government is doing nothing for the refugees that are trying

to live in Jordan, or Syria, or even come to the US, this thuggish regime does not give a shit about the refugees from Iraq.

They are treating these people like dogs. They just do not care. How many people are watching this documentary, and how many of the freepers will still support this thuggish regime we have.

[bdamomma]

59. Bremer was an a$$hole too.

these guys should all be in prison. it is truly disgusting how these SOB's are still there.

[ejbrush]

63. So the entire time we we being called "Cut and Runners"...

these assholes were running around behind the scenes trying to, ahem, cut and run?
Jeezus. What a bunch of ideological thugs.

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65. Rummy was the head cut and runner, while railing against antiwar sentiment

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64. They should have lined up all the Generals Bush has fired . . .

Lined them all up and let them speak ---

Many of us understand what went down, what happened --- but this message has to get thru
to those who don't "get it" --- and I don't think this kind of an approach is going to do it!!!

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68. Bush finally realizes Rummy's insane: summer 2006---it only took him 6 yrs.!

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69. dupe

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70. How was that reinacted . . . ????

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77. at a big powwow, "cutnrun Rummy" says let's cut troops as the civil war rages

Bush basically decided to give the child who fell off his bike (Iraq) a hand up, whereas Rummy wanted to leave it a bleeding mess and get the hell out!

[Pavulon]

71. History will judge by Shinseki's plan

430,000 men to secure the country. That was the plan they discarded.

[bdamomma]

67. All those top Army Generals just resigned couldn't they

have done something, like stand up against Rummy. They disbanded the highest Generals, and it is still going on, Admiral Fallon another one gone, our only hope and now he's gone.

[defendandprotect]

72. Does the program comment on this? I think he fired about 20 generals ?????

How much am I off by since Bush took office --- ???

[bdamomma]

79. again it is the "you're with us or against us" mentality.

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88. almost all the top brass resigned early on in war, they were so disgusted at Rummy's strategery

[napi21]

78. They can't disobey orders while they're still active duty.

That's part of the military code.

[bdamomma]

83. I wish all those retired Generals would gang up on this thuggish regime.

esp. Rummy and Cheney. Sickening what we did to that country, how would we feel if someone came and did that to our country, but in a way, it is, with our own homegrown terrorists in the WH.

Rumsfeld should be sent to the Hague, Mr. Torture man himself, oh, Gonzo too.

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82. they serve at the president's pleasure and they don't stand up to the civilian boss

typically

[bdamomma]

73. Cheney had a vendetta against the CIA

[Pavulon]

76. Sadly the CIA's bremmer

played into their hands.

[defendandprotect]

80. There's a document which put him in charge of everything; and he began to visit CIA . . .

pre-war to get the intelligence bent the way he wanted it ---
really pressuring the intelligence gatherers --- who got no help from Tenet!!!

Evidently, very unusual for VP to spend such time at CIA ---

THIS is how they did it ---

Did the program comment on any of that --- ???

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84. because CIA wouldn't go along with his WMD scheme-for-war

[derby378]

81. Final words: "Soon, Bush's War will be handed to someone new."

Now we must determine if this "someone new" will simply continue the occupation and waste even more money and lives, or if this person will put an end to the madness and bring our troops home.

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85. well certainly "100 years war " McCain isn't bringing troops home soon

[bdamomma]

94. or do we need another 4,000 dead?

PNAC agenda and supporters should burn in hell, and yet they are still walking around free, arrogant and smirks on their faces. We have been BS'ed and our Rights are fading away, all this for these thugs,doesn't anyone think this whole situation could be controlled by the People. We the People? or will we suffer the same fate as Germany, when the German people were saying it's not bad yet? or "I have nothing to hide" sad.

[femrap]

90. Does anyone else believe that our

country is now one of fascism? This election is a circus. Something horrid will happen in October and there will be NO election. The US of A is over. The Empire is dying. We have created such bad Karma. The innocent people we have killed and maimed...our comeuppance is long overdue.

Where does a person with a conscience escape? This isn't my country any longer....I don't recognize it.

I saw some young kid wearing an Obama t-shirt tonight in Trader Joe's as I got my wine so to escape as I watched Frontline...I wanted to grab him and tell him that he is a fool. Don't you know...we're fascists now. Obama will do as he is told.

It's the Rothschild/Rockefellers, Stupid!

Fuck hope...long live Justice.

[bdamomma]

93. I still remember what Naomi Wolf said, our elections will be corrupt

but giving us the illusion that we are still a democracy, a democracy they have shredded that word haven't they??? Is it Pitchforks and torches time yet? No one will come to our defense no one.

[femrap]

100. This Dem primary has become

a complete joke...I saw a young guy in Trader Joe's last night with his Obama t-shirt on. I just wanted to laugh, then scream, then cry...

I should have waited for him outside and told him my campaign slogan: It's the Rothschild/Rockefellers, Stupid!

Unfortunately, I think we need to spend our time on preparing for survival...not this election. Whoever is elected will do as they are told. PERIOD. Obama will probably be used to rape Africa of its very last mineral and drop of oil.

Hell, we'll be carrying buckets of water on our heads if we don't take care of the infrastructure. Goddess, I'm in a depressive state today. Sorry...but I see nothing unifying nor hopeful out there...just decaying Capitalism...which I guess, is Fascism.

[bdamomma]

91. that whole Saddam story has holes too, somewhere I heard or read

he was held up in a house, not a spider hole.

I hope * burns in hell for what he and Cheney have done to Iraq and our own country. They need to pay for their horrendous onslaught of death on innocent people. One saying "so" and the other saying war is romantic. purely sick and evil.

[kittykitty]

95. he was holed up in a house, but had a hiding place in the hole in the yard. When the

troops were coming, he went into the hole to hide, and pulled a "cover" over it.

[bdamomma]

97. thanks for that clarification.

rumsfeld why is he still walking around free, didn't France have a warrant for his arrest and have him held as a war criminal but he went running to the US Consulate to cover his a$$.

[Up2Late]

98. The last hour of this show flew by!

Felt like it could have gone another hour.