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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:42 AM
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Holy crap, what a great picture.
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 12:43 AM by WilliamPitt
A sign held during an Olympics-in-China protest:



Referencing:



...while incorporating the rings, like the handcuffs did:



What do you all think about this situation?

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:44 AM
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1. Brilliant
:thumbsup:
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:48 AM
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2. People over politics www.pslweb.org
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:49 AM
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3. Wow. That's fucking powerful
:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:50 AM
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4. When was the last time the U.S. has done anything ethical?
I feel for the athletes, but really. What will motivate the actions of *? Ethics won't enter into it.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:51 AM
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5. There's profit in chaos. That's what the CIA is for. n/t
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:57 AM
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6. "A picture's worth a thousand words" is really appropriate in this case.
Thanks for sharing both of those images. :thumbsup:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:23 AM
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7. K&R!
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Unrepentant Fenian Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:11 AM
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8. They really drive the point home ! n/t
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:38 AM
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9. Those are very clever and powerful images.
Why were the Chinese selected to host the Olympics in the first place? Did they bribe the IOC?

I hope that people (both athletes and spectators) boycott the damn games! Let the Chinese have their Potemkin Olympic Village to themselves.

May the whole thing turn into a face-losing fiasco!

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:56 AM
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10. Well, I didn't need the explanation but thank you for putting it anyway
for those who might not catch the reference. Tiananmen Square is one of those moments where a single person really did make a difference. It's a good reminder to all of us that while our individual efforts may not be the thing that tips the scale, they may well be. I still think that when this war is over in Iraq, Cindy Sheehan, with her request to know what the noble cause is, will have been instrumental in bringing it to a close that much earlier.

I can see both sides (hell, there are more than two sides to this mess) since the Olympics would like to be seen as being above politics and for uniting countries and disparate peoples. A lofty but truly unattainable goal. The Olympics can no more be above politics than anyone, in fact they are mired more than most. OTOH, it would be nice to separate the athletes and their amazing rise to the top of their respective athletic fields from the political climate.

That said, I fall on the side of kicking China for their crap and frankly, it isn't as hypocritical as it seems. You know we've been doing the same sort of protests here in the US but without any press. The main difference here is that worldwide press is actually paying attention. I'm sure Faux "News" isn't, as per usual. It's good to make sure the elitists, (which, btw, every one of our "elected" officials falls into that category)are aware that the rabble can be enraged and dangerous. It's good for them to know that because they are pushing us to the very edge.

So, I feel bad for the athletes and proud of my fellow man.
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Sylvian Beehive Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:31 AM
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11. Tiananmen animated
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:45 AM
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12. Excellent!
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:57 AM
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13. i need to learn more about it
from what i have read and seen, that tibet has been closed and overrun by the chinese government and that the people are being repressed, i have decided against watching the olympic games.

so many causes so little time. and i still have to go to work and put food on my family.

what thinks you? i have some time today to get informed...
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:33 AM
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19. Last weeks events in China and Tibet

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-4-13/69108.html

April 5, 2008
The Beijing regime's bloody suppression of Tibetan monks and ordinary citizens' demonstrations at Donggu district, Ganzi Tibetan Prefecture in Sichuan Province was reported by many international media and received attention from the international community. The report from China's state-controlled news agency admitted open fire, however claimed that one "Han" official was injured which forced the armed police to open fire.

Arrest warrant No. 14 issued by Tibet Regional Public Security Department was broadcast in both the Tibetan and Chinese languages on Tibet TV's Entertainment Channel station as well as Lhasa's TV station. Five people, all male were wanted. As of now, 84 Tibetan people are wanted.


April 6, 2008
April 5, a grand annual Fa conference was held at Lique Temple, in Daofu county, Ganzi Tibetan Prefecture in Sichuan Province. However, because the armed police stopped the on-going conference, over one thousand monks and ordinary citizens, including students and some officials with masks held a peaceful demonstration to protest. They also chanted, "Long live the Dalai Lama!" "Free Tibet," "We need freedom," "Let Dalai Lama return home." Consequently, armed police suppressed the demonstrators by open fires. A total of 10 people were shot, of whom five were severely injured. A few people were reported missing. At present, phone connections are not available at the local region as well as some regions in Ganzi and Luhuo counties.

At noon of April 6, Dalai Lama issued a Letter to fellow Tibetans in Dharamsala, India. The content is not covered here.

Arrest warrants No.15 and 16 issued by the Tibet Regional Public Security Department were broadcast in both the Tibetan and Chinese languages on Tibet TV's Entertainment Channel station as well as Lhasa's TV station. Four people, all male were wanted in warrant No. 15, three of them monks. Five people, all male were wanted in warrant No. 16, four of them monks. One of the wanted monks looks very old. They are all related to the demonstration at Xiaozhao Temple on March 14. The pictures were taken by cell phones. As of now, total of 93 Tibetans are under arrest warrants.


April 7, 2008
Arrest warrant No. 17 issued by the Tibet Regional Public Security Department was broadcast in both Tibetan and Chinese languages on Tibet TV's Entertainment Channel station as well as Lhasa's TV station. Six people, five male and one female were wanted. As of now, a total of 99 Tibetans are under arrest warrants.

What needs to be added is that at the end of the March, the demonstration by monks and ordinary citizens at Ganzi Tibetan Prefecture in Sichuan Province, Luhuo counties was suppressed by the regime. Among 120 nuns from Erge Nizhong Temple who were arrested, although 17 of them have been released, have all been beaten black and blue all over the bodies. Although the Kanbu Luosong Wangqing from Jueri Temple was released, because of brutal beating, her severe health condition is deteriorating rapidly.

Arrest warrant No. 18 issued by the Tibet Regional Public Security Department was broadcast in both Tibetan and Chinese languages on Tibet TV's Entertainment Channel station as well as Lhasa's TV station. Six people were wanted, all male. As of now, a total of 105 Tibetans have been under the warrant.

April 1

In the Shiqu County of Ganzi, the authorities launched a "patriotism education" movement in a Buddhist temple, forcing the monks to criticize and condemn the Dalai Lama. Seven monks and one farmer who protested the "education" were arrested. They are: Priests Lobsang Thondup, Depa, Sopa, Thubten Tsering, Palde, Sonam Nyima, Wodor and a farmer called Garye.

April 2

In Daofu County of Ganzi, over 200 Buddhist nuns held a ceremony in Xianshui Town to commemorate Tibetans who were killed during the earlier crackdown. The ceremony was interrupted by the Chinese army and police who tried to stop it, but the police were not able to open fire as hundreds of Tibetans and students showed up to support the ceremony.

On April 2, in the Batang County of Ganzi, the authorities also forced the "patriotism education" on monks of a temple, but all the monks refused to condemn the Dalai Lama. A clash then broke out and the authorities arrested five monks.

On April 4, in the Donggu area of Ganzi County of Ganzi, police cracked down on protesting Tibetans, shooting to death more than eight of them. When police and government staff searched the temple, they threw pictures of the Dalai Lama and the temple's Abbot Shabdrung on the ground and trampled them. Besides the already reported Thubten Sangdan, a 27-year-old monk, 30-year-old villager Phurbu Delha, villager Chodron Laktse (female) and villager Tendrel (female), two others have been reported to be killed: a young boy called Tsering Thondup and a girl called Khasang Chodron. Two previously unidentified victims have been proven to be Tsring Yangyi (female, 23) and monk Lobsang Rigchung. Some other people have also been shot to death, but only a few of them are identified. They are Tsewang Rigzin (38), abbot of the Donggu Temple, villager Suolang Tsring and villager Tzering Lhamo (female). On April 5, when the police searched the Donggu Temple, they destroyed many precious cultural treasures such as Buddha statues and Thangka religious scrolls unique to Tibet. Donggu Temple used to have the most well preserved cultural relics in the entire Ganzi region. During the "democratic reform" and the "Cultural Revolution" forced by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), local people risked their lives to protect the Buddha statues and Thangka scrolls. Now, however, these treasures are in danger because of the CCP. It feels like the "Cultural Revolution" again. The authorities also gathered all local people, Tibetans and Hans alike, and warned them not to reveal the violent crackdown to the outside world or international media. They ordered people to stick to the "official" stories announced by the state-controlled news agency, the communist regime's mouthpiece. Officials threatened that those who dare to do otherwise will be punished as criminals.

Furthermore, in Amdo, Hainan County of Qinghai Province, over 100 students of the Qinghai Junior Teachers College held a peaceful demonstration on campus to protest the authorities' killing protesting Tibetans. They urged the authorities to release all Tibetans who were arrested for protesting. A large number of police were immediately sent to suppress the demonstration, and have tightly blockaded the area.

Recently, the authorities arrested five protesting Tibetans in Rongan Township, Ngawa (Aba) County of Amdo Province. Their whereabouts and status are unknown.

It has been reported that police in Ganluo and Guoluo areas of Amdo have ordered every arrested Tibetan to pay a fine of 20,000 Yuan (US$ 2,857). It is a very heavy burden for already poverty-stricken Tibetans.


April 8
No wanted circular has been issued today.

It is reported that all units, enterprises and residential committees have sent out registration forms to every individual as well as every family in Lhasa to register the residents, and it is estimated that a house-to-house searching action will begin soon. All the big temples in Lhasa are still surrounded; they are neither open to the public nor are their monks allowed to contact the outside world. A large amount of local military and police are still checking and guarding the areas around Ramoche Temple, like Gamagongsang and Barkhor and the security is extremely tight at Ramoche Temple area, with Tibetan stores nearby not allowed to open for business yet. Many units have become temporary army bases with soldiers and army vehicles stationed in the yard. The arresting actions are continuing, including the arrest of some Tibetan middle school students who attended the activity on March 14. Policemen even went to schools to arrest students with their pictures in hand. If the students' parents have jobs, they are suspended from their duties.

There might not be having enough police manpower at Gannan (Gannan area in Gansu Province), so students of the Public Security School of Guansu Institute of Political Science and Law have been sent to Ganan to work together with the military and police, and those students can be credited for three courses and offered an additional allowance. It was revealed by the teachers who sent the students there the police station is packed with Tibetans.

No other information from other Tibetan areas so far.


April 9, 2008
Yesterday, the second group of foreign media reporter (including 11 foreign reporters based in China) organized by the Chinese regime arrived at Lanzhou City and they went to visit Anduo Tibetan area in Gansu Province with some reporters from Hong Kong and Taiwan. When they were visiting Laburang lamasery located in Xiahe County of Ganan Tibetan Prefecture (one of the six largest lamaseries of the yellow hat sect), over 20 monks ran out of the temple with Tibetan flags and complained to the reporters, "We want the Dalai Lama to be back in Tibet; we are not requesting Tibet to be independent, we only want human rights; there are no human rights here". They also told the reporters that there are still many monks from their temple who have been detained, and plainclothes police are everywhere in Xiahe County to monitor everyone. In a short period of time, there were over 40 monks who complained to the reporters. On March 27, monks from Jokhang Temple in Lhasa cried out to the first group of foreign reporters, begging them to reveal the truth by risking their lives. This was the second time that the monks showed their protest to foreign media in public.

On March 6, outside a temple located at Kang (Yushu County in Qinghai Province of Tibetan Prefecture), over 100 Tibetans shouted out "Free Tibet" and "Let the Dalai Lama Back Home." Outside the temple when there were Buddhist activities inside the temple, and those protesters were soon cracked down by large amount of armed police and several people were arrested. Those inside said that Tibetans' protest activities are happening all the time since the Lhasa incident but the armed police cracked down on all of them. The local authority never reveals how many people have been arrested or wounded.

In today's press conference, the Tibetan Regional Government chairman Xiangba Puncog responded to the question about the situation of the group of monks in the Jokhang Monastery, who abruptly cried out to foreign journalists. "After the journalists left, diplomats from a dozen of countries visited. I introduced them to what's going on. They wanted to see these monks in the Jokhang Monastery. I agreed and promised them that they could not go there but not until the next day because it was not in the schedule. So they did go there and I said to them they could meet all 30 monks, but it was so early that the temple was not yet supposed to open. Also, the monks were still in bed, so none of them came even though they were asked several times. I said to the diplomats that it's not a big deal. You can still meet them on your next visit. We will not charge them and persecute them because they have said something to the reporters, because our country is a law-abiding country. Of course, if they were found to have committed crimes, that would be another issue. I think, those of you who are sitting here may still be able to see them if you go to Tibet. There is absolutely no punishment or arrest. If you ask where they are now, they are still in Jokhang Monastery. If they have not broken the law, they will not be there for long."

These words aggravate these monks, as the statement that monks were still in bed seems very suspicious to them. Xiangba Puncog said that a total of 953 Tibetans were arrested, but 328 were released. Among the 93 wanted who were accused of taking part in the violence, 13 were captured and 9 gave themselves up. Among all those arrested, 362 gave themselves up. On the other hand, 99 instead of 93 Tibetans are wanted, according to the No. 17 warrant, as of April 7, as broadcast by Tibetan Literary Television and Lhasa Television.

It is said that organizations in Lhasa, including official organizations, business entities, schools and neighborhood committees, were requested to denounce the "3.14" incident and expose "The Dalai Separation Clique." It has been particularly emphasized to ethnic Tibetan officials and government employees that it is their "duty" to criticize "Dalai Clique atrocities." In the past, a similar requirement was only imposed upon temples, but this time it has been extended to all the corners of the society, including even seven or eight year-olds as well as teenagers.

The one-sided propaganda that appears in Chinese official media has created hatred among Chinese toward Tibetans. The Chinese website has been filled with articles condemning Tibetans and the Dalai Lama. Fabricated articles by faked witnesses have been incessantly published to cover the protests in Lhasa, Aba and other Tibetan areas. It is said that, in Beijing and Shanghai, hotels refuse to let Tibetans book rooms and check in even on business trips.

Warrant No.18 was issued by the Tibet Public Safety Department and broadcast in both Tibetan and Chinese on Tibetan Entertainment Television and Lhasa Television. All six wanted are male, which brings up a total of 105 Tibetans under arrest warrants to date.

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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:17 AM
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14. Bravo!
Thanks for the post!!
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:50 AM
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15. Wow.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:54 AM
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16. Well done!
K & R!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:26 AM
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17. My thoughts are that people need to keep protesting on behalf of Tibet.
I also realize the United States has no moral authority on issues of human rights anymore. Therefore, the protest must come from the people worldwide.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:41 AM
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18. that is a brilliant picture
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:23 PM
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20. As someone with fairly extensive first-hand experience
of Tibetan Buddhism, and Tibetans in exile, my opinion of the bottom line is that China needs to eliminate true Tibetan Buddhism to achieve the complete political control it seeks.

The false idea that the Dalai Lama is promoting violent separatism is needed by the Chinese government in order to enforce "re-education" of monks and nuns. The revered Panchen Lama, similar in stature to the Dalai Lama, is imprisoned in China, and the Chinese government named its own "reincarnated" Panchen Lama to hold the position.

Likewise, they recently announced that in the future, the Chinese government would be in charge of recognizing reborn incarnate lamas, not Tibetan Buddhists according to their own established means and traditions.

The Chinese government considers the spiritual authority that Buddhism holds for its followers as inherently dangerous to the idea of totalitarian control. It will continue to use specious claims of a "violent Dalai sect" to pursue the death of the living spiritual traditions of Tibetan Buddhism, and aim to leave in its place a hollow shell of trappings and architecture without meaning or power.

In short, it's cultural genocide at the hands of tyrants.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:32 PM
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21. As much as I have looked forward to the Olympics
I think we should boycott.
I also think that we are in no way the model for Human Rights.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:34 PM
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22. Will - I took the Pachababies last week to the "Torch Relay" in SF & without exaggerating, it was as
if we had taken the ferry to San Francisco and stepped out into Tianamen Square to a sea of Red Communist China flags. The bizarre thing was there were hardly an Olympic symbol or Olympic Flag to be seen. There were lots of Tibet Flags, a few US flags here and there and then a sea of red Chinese flags and not the average 3x5 foot flags - I'm talking about 5x8 foot flags on poles being carried everywhere to cover up and hide from view any Tibetan flags. It was a well-orchestrated PR propaganda campaign by the Chinese and meanwhile not an Olympic flag or torch to be seen. Had the real agenda of the Chinese been to celebrate the Olympics and the Olympic torch and spirit, they would have bussed in their thousands of supporters with Olympic flags - but they didn't - it was eerie and very strange indeed.

The Chinese were laughing at us all...they own us, they know it and they know our politicians know it and no one is going (or can) stop them.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:14 PM
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31. Oh, Pachamama, that is really chilling. Thanks for letting us know. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:18 PM
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33. What you said, Pachamama!
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:52 PM
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23. That is a great sign
But I think it is pretty freaking hypocritical for anyone in the US to protest China's human rights violations while we are paying them huge amounts of interest so we can borrow money for our illegal immoral war crimes in Iraq.
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:38 PM
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24. You have a point there. n/t
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:08 PM
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32. That's how I feel
well said.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:35 AM
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34. Where do you live?
Roughly...?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:57 PM
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25. K&R Those pictures speak loud and clear.
Wow!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:04 PM
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26. when i was in Scotland a few weeks ago there was a billboard size pic like that one.
it was pretty powerful.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:11 PM
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27. Reminds me of a thought I had after seeing one of those right-wing hate-stickers
on a car yesterday. It read: "I don't brake for protesters!"

My first thought was: "Shit, even Chinese tanks brake for protesters!"
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:22 PM
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28. i think china hosting the olympics has been a GREAT boon for human rights in that country.
i hope that real change can come out of these games. i agree with the dalai lama in that i hope countries will participate and do so with massive coverage of the human rights abuses and tibet problem. not participating only obscures the problems to people who might be able to effect change there.

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:39 PM
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29. Fabulous. The olympics may turn out to be the best thing that ever happened for
Tibet. Without the olympics, Tibet wouldn't be getting the press.

Here's another one:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:58 PM
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30. I stopped buying products made
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 09:59 PM by femrap
in China in 1989. I have saved lots of money. But you would be amazed at how much is made in China...esp. since they received most favored trade status. What a joke.

I refuse to give them my money. Except certain things are made in China ONLY....alarm clocks, fireplace lighters, and Xmas lights. I bought shitloads of Xmas lights when they were made in the Philippines.

It would be really cool to see the Chinese athletes stand up for freedom....! Of course they would have to leave the country before they were shoved into jail.

edit: typo
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