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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:59 PM
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Proof of price manipulation of food, oil, etc.
Please read this thread about wonky, nerdy Senate testimony.

It's worth reading.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:04 PM
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1. So let me see now,
This guy admits it, congress knows it's true, it's obvious what is happening, yet for some reason congress "STILL" has not done anything about it? Could it be to many in congress have had their pockets lined with lobbyist money from these same groups that are causing prices to go up?:mad:

I still stay we not only need a change at the top, but on down through congress as well. Those who are taking money from lobbyists need to pack up and get the hell out of town. New rules need to be made, and lobbyists need to be sent packing. We need to take control of our government and our country away from corporate america, and give it back to the people! I plan on looking at the voting records of all my senators and reps before I vote for them. If they are in the pockets of corrupt corporations, they won't be getting my vote!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:13 PM
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2. It's weird.
Every time someone starts a thread about food prices or ethanol, people will make claims that are the complete opposite of what this guy says in his testimony.

I don't think Congress is the problem, we are. Or, rather, not us necessarily, but our fellow citizens who believe the GOP-controlled media.

If the populace can't see what's going on, we cannot expect anything better from our representatives.

For every letter we send to our congress critter, the GOP churches send 100s more. And they do whatever their corporate masters tell them to do.

I challenge you to start a thread rationally explaining why food prices are so high and you'll get dozens of stubbornly ignorant posts about why ethanol is to blame, but nothing about how the GOP are Enron-ing the market.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:38 PM
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4. The ethanol rpogram was designed to do exactly that. Billions of our taxdollars are going
into ethanol subsidies BECAUSE Jeb BUsh is the head of the ethanol prodcers association (don't know the name of the group). Ethanol made from corn is NOT sensible. Ethanol can be made from almost anything. coconuts, sugar, any vegetable. If you look closely, I'm suer you will find that the Bush family has heavily invested in corn right before Bush pushed forward the ethanol rpovisions of the energy bill. Prices are supposed to go up. That's how they earn outrageous profits. That is THE WHOLE POINT.

So yes, the ethanol bill screwed our corn prices, and that money is going into certain big pockets. They control production of EVERYTHING. The prices will continue to go up.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:41 PM
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5. P.S. I wrote before reading the testimony. k&r.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:01 AM
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9. Aside from who owns what...
...I'm talking about the pure science of it all--take this one compound, make some other compound from it

Is what we're doing the very best and most efficient way of utilizing ethanol?

I don't think it is. We need to take science out of the hands of the anti-science party.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:50 AM
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16. agreed.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:45 PM
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7. He said "a problem that can be expediently corrected through legislative
Edited on Thu May-29-08 11:46 PM by lonestarnot
policy action." Since when would Kyle the Bile or McSame vote to anything for the richies and poor old Pastor is sick of hearing from me, I'm wearing out his stamp.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:56 PM
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8. That's exactly how I feel.
When Dumbya went to the Saudi sheiks he said he asked for them to lower the price of oil

I laughed.

There is no way either of them actually discussed lowering the price.

No way.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:02 AM
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10. Starving people into desparation, homelessness creates submission in the
shock and awe strategy. It's part of the plan to just let it nose dive.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:03 AM
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11. Agreed, I got that from Naomi Kline. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:09 AM
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12. It also figures into the vote caging scheme coming up in November.
Did you see the Palast video? If you live in a homeless shelter with tons of other people listed at the same address, your vote is caged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyIq_70SdF0
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:27 PM
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3. k&r because this thread has a better title. nt
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:44 PM
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6. Off to greatest
Yep thieves in suits are screwing all of us. Since when did being born and living on this planet become a pay as you exist type of scam?
Read the parable of the box..
http://ranprieur.com/readings/jensenbox.html

A foundation built on theft?
http://kurgman.blogspot.com/2006/11/private-property-is-theft.html
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:41 AM
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13. Congress Approves Measure to Close "Enron Loophole"; then messed it up?
Edited on Fri May-30-08 12:45 AM by chill_wind
Bush vowed to veto it (see PR below). The House vowed to override it. But then---



Mixup negates House override of farm bill veto
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Wed May 21, 2008

The House overwhelmingly rejected President Bush's veto of a $290 billion farm bill Wednesday, but what was to have been a stinging defeat for the president became an embarrassing episode for Democrats.


The House will try to pass a $290 billion farm bill again Thursday after a mixup the day before.

Only hours before the House's 316-108 vote, Bush had vetoed the five-year measure, saying it was too expensive and gave too much money to wealthy farmers when farm incomes are high. The Senate then was expected to follow suit quickly.

Action stalled, however, after the discovery that Congress had omitted a 34-page section of the bill when lawmakers sent the massive measure to the White House. That means Bush vetoed a different bill from the one Congress passed, leaving leaders scrambling to figure out whether it could become law.

more:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/21/bush.farmbill.ap/index.html



Congress Approves Measure to Close "Enron Loophole"
Measure included in Senate-approved Farm Bill conference report
Published on May 15, 2008 - 10:42:35 AM

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By: Feinstein office

Washington, DC May 15, 2008 - The United States Congress has approved a measure to close the "Enron Loophole." The measure was included in the Farm Bill conference report. This legislation was sponsored by U.S. Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and others who appeared at a news conference today to discuss the legislation.

The conference report was approved by the House yesterday, the Senate today, and will now be sent to the President.

"Today, the Senate sends the President a bill to close the Enron Loophole once and for all," Senator Feinstein said. "This bill is really our best bet to deter unscrupulous traders from manipulating energy prices and engaging in excessive speculation. This has been a long, hard road - and this is a major legislative victory."

"The provisions in the farm bill closing the Enron loophole are the culmination of five years of work to put the cop back on the beat in energy markets that have for too long escaped federal oversight and regulation," said Senator Levin. "This legislation provides new tools to stop price manipulation, excessive speculation, and trading abuses that have too often clobbered American families with unfair energy price hikes."

"The entire country is struggling to cope with the record high prices at the pump while energy executives enjoy record-high profits," Senator Snowe said. "At a time when the price of oil reaches new highs every week, Congress has an obligation to ensure that our energy markets are free from the possibility of tampering and manipulation that costs Americans in their excessive energy bills."

"We have taken an important first step in the right direction towards closing the Enron Loophole," said Senator Cantwell. "But we have more work to do to stomp out potential manipulation in energy commodity markets. When Amaranth found room in the Enron Loophole in 2006 to manipulate the natural gas market, natural gas prices skyrocketed to record levels and cost consumers over $9 billion. And now, we have oil company executives testifying before Congress that oil should be around $50-60 a barrel. We must establish a clear, bright line to help protect consumers from any illegal activity that could be causing these out of control gas price hikes."

Senator Collins said, "The high price of gasoline, home heating oil, and diesel is creating a tremendous hardship for families, truckers, and small businesses. Many causes appear to have contributed to the sharp rise in oil prices and, as we first examined during an investigation hearing of the Senate Homeland Security Committee two years ago, excessive speculation on futures markets may well be one of them. Unfortunately, despite this investigation, there is still a lack of publicly available data to track the effort of speculation on prices and manipulation still could go undetected on certain electronic markets that are unregulated. This legislation would help expand the authority of the federal government to provide greater regulation and transparency to guard against price manipulation."

"Right now, there is an orgy of speculation in the energy markets, which drive up prices for consumers and hurt our economy," said Senator Dorgan. "Closing this loophole is one important step in our efforts to prevent price manipulation and to wring some of this speculation out of the market in order to put downward pressure on gas prices."

"Today, we begin peeling back the cloak of secrecy that Enron and other energy traders got eight years ago," said Senator Wyden. "I want to commend Sen. Feinstein and Sen. Levin for their leadership on this issue - Congress after Congress. We wouldn't be here today without their determination and commitment."

"In 2000, in the dead of night, Senate Republicans passed a bill that exempted oil trading from regulation by the CFTC, the agency that oversees futures trading for all other commodities. As a result, oil traders have been operating in the shadows, without transparency and without oversight. This bill will put the CFTC watchdog back on the prowl," Senator Schumer said.

Specifically, the bill would:

- Require electronic energy traders to provide an audit trail and record-keeping;

- Monitor for market manipulation;

- Impose firm speculation limits; and

- Significantly increase financial penalties for cases of market manipulation and excessive speculation.

Detailed Bill Summary

(see link)


http://yubanet.com/usa/Congress-Approves-Measure-to-Close-Enron-Loophole.php

I read somewhere that they are supposed to try to fix this, this week. I have no idea where it stands now. Does anyone know?

And I find this pretty interesting......"Regulation hinted. Oil price drops."



Oil tumbles on supply report, dollar concerns
By JOHN WILEN – 10 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Oil prices fell sharply Thursday after the Energy Department reported unexpected declines in crude oil supplies last week but said the drop was due to temporary delays in unloading oil tankers along the Gulf Coast.


(snipping)

In Washington, meanwhile, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission revealed that it is six months into a wide-ranging investigation of U.S. oil markets, with a focus on possible price manipulation. The CFTC also announced a handful of initiatives designed to increase transparency of the energy futures markets.

The commission said it started the probe in December and was publicizing the investigation "because of today's unprecedented market conditions."


Disclosure of the investigation may have contributed to oil's declines, analysts said.


more: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD90VG6K01
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:43 AM
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14. K&R 10...keep us poor for herding purps..dats what dey do...bastids...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:27 AM
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15. Where are the oil tankers?
The ME can't ship oil 'cause they have no tankers to fill.

It's an artificial shortage.
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