what does your BS meter say about Scotty tonight?

[grasswire]

How do you feel about him and what he's saying? Is he sincere? Has he told the most important things he knows?

What does your gut say?

[whistle]

1. On a scale of 0 to 10 McClellan is still a 12

[grasswire]

3. meaning.....

...he's lying still?

[whistle]

29. meaning that a snake can not change it's nature and Scott McClellan is a lying sack of shit

....and to answer the OP a bullshitter who bullshits the bullshitters

[mmonk]

2. I think some of his overall exposure to many inner working decisions

was not there. I do think the book is sincere in it's attempts.

[Generic Brad]

4. He's at a 7

I think he knows worse things than he has revealed. But I give him credit for making a decent effort.

[tridim]

12. Maybe he knows enough to be able to keep Bush in check for 9 months.

He's untouchable (probably), and he's already shown that he is serious. That has to have BushCo shitting bricks.

If that's his plan, kudos to him.

[Mojorabbit]

16. Considering

the full out verbal assault on him from the administration I think they are shitting bricks so I give him kudos too.

[OhioBlue]

5. My gut says he's an opportunist that told a little truth

He knows a BUNCH more. I obviously haven't read his book yet, but only based on the media reports and his interviews, he is telling us some things we already knew. He does seem to qualify and give a bit of cover for the Bush crowd, but he's giving us a little bit of truth. He released the book now, while Bush is still in office so that he could sell more books.

Do I believe him regarding the propaganda campaign, *'s authorization of the leak of classified info? yeah.
Do I trust him? nope.

[orleans]

19. the fact that he's saying shit like he still admires and respects the fuckhead

HOW? WHY? HOW? WHY? HOW? WHY?????


something's off...

[MannyGoldstein]

6. BS Meter Is Way Down

I think he's telling the truth.

[BeHereNow]

11. Indeed, he IS telling the truth, because he KNOWS no consequence will come of it as he is an insider

as is the REST of his family, and most importantly?
HE HAS A BOOK TO SELL TO A PISSED OFF PUBLIC.

None the less... nothing will come of it other
than increased revenues for him and his BFEE connected family.

BHN

[Poll_Blind]

7. I'm not going to turn on my BS meter for a week or two. Wexler...

...is trying to get him to speak before a committee, IIRC. I want to see where that's going before I'm even going to turn it on.

  My gut says "Wait...No reason to jump on this until you know more. Remember how Dan Rather got mouthfucked on the deal."

  I apologize. My gut is foul-mouthed and often blunt to the point of rudeness. But it sure has a point.

PB

[Fresh_Start]

8. what did he tell Fitz grand jury over Plame

don't see how if he told them the same thing he wrote, it would have turned out quite the way it did

[grasswire]

10. interesting point

If he told Fitz that Bush authorized Plame leak and Fitz didn't follow up. But we don't know.

[tridim]

15. Or, he lied to the grand jury and just admitted it.

Either way, it seems like Fitz has to fire this thing back up.

[orleans]

21. that's kinda what i was thinking...

that he said, on olbermann, fuckhead said he authorized libby to leak plame's name (or did i misunderstand this)

i was STUNNED.

so...how does admitting that to the grand jury not lead farther down the road?? "he threw sand in my eyes" says fitz. WHATEVER! he wasn't even there when scottie did his talking!

sand? then use some visine and GET BACK TO WORK, FITZ!

[shireen]

9. he was Brocked.

I think he's sincere, and he's telling the whole truth as he sees it.

David Brock went through a similar transformation some years ago, and has become one of the most respected media watchdogs in the country. I say we withhold judgement on McClennan for now and see how things evolve. I'm willing to give the guy a chance.

[Duer 157099]

13. Here's what my BS meter is telling me

It's behaving in much the same way as it did when he was giving briefings.

So, I don't know how to interpret that, whether to think that he's deliberately lying, or that he's trying to cover up his own ignorance (that was my usual impression of him, that he was ashamed to consider that he might actually not be in the loop, and so he had to go out and try to fake it, only he didn't do it too well and it made him look like he was lying.)

I feel sort of the same way now about what he's saying, like there's something missing, something is not completely clicking for me.

[magellan]

27. Same here

He was evasive -- twitchy and nervous -- just like in briefings when he was obviously lying. When discussing Bush** especially, he was like a man who's stabbing someone for the first time and can't quite bring himself to cause more than a flesh wound, though it sometimes seemed he was fighting the urge to give the knife a good shove and twist.

That said, I still suspect he isn't on the up and up. His transformation isn't believable.

[seabeyond]

14. i am saying what i have heard we already knew and bullshit that he is "surprised"

with his revelations.....

not buying it

cool enough it is out AGAIN, but not way jazzed since the stuff i am hearing was already out and visible and still the general public dont know

[UTUSN]

17. I'm warily supportive of him. After the interview with Keith, more supportive. But

while everything critical he's saying about Shrub is what most of us here have always known about Shrub, he appears to leave in all the caveats about how much "affection" he has for Shrub and how he doesn't believe that Shrub HIMSELF actually "lied" or did all of those nasty things on purpose, just from listening to other people. But in the Keith interview he said some damning things about Shrub.


So far only BROCK has totally overcome my suspicion of people who "switch".

[UTUSN]

28. a TX wingnut just said on the radio:

*********QUOTE*******

It'll (the book) sell.

I think the "moment" for him was when he realized he was the patsy for Rove and Libby, that he was misled.

I also wonder how much of this is late score-settling for his mother, who ran up against the Bushie Republican party when she ran for Gov?

*********UNQUOTE*********

[SeattleGirl]

18. BS meter at about a 2.

My sense is that he was pretty much sincere.

[tkmorris]

20. Something funny is going on

I don't pretend to know what it is, but ole Scotty didn't just wake up one day and decide to hang the White House out to dry. The man was deeply complicit in all of their shenanigans, and had absolutely no moral qualms behind the podium. What, we are to believe he suddenly decided that maybe they were wrong? Further, are we to believe that the White House was unaware of the claims he was going to make, or that they knew in advance and did jack-all to stop him?

Bullshit. I want this to be just what it appears to be on it's face, a public about face from Scott. I don't buy it though, there has got to be more here than meets the eye. Maybe there was a betrayal behind closed doors and this is Scotty going public as vengeance, maybe it's all misdirection, maybe a lot of things. But I don't feel like the full truth is out there yet.

[Poll_Blind]

22. Solid observations and understandable caution. Thanks, TK. n/t

PB

[Initech]

23. My BS meter is flying off the charts

He's a spin meister. He's paid to make shit up for living. The sad fact is, we'll never know the extent of the damage of the crimes committed by BushCo.

[orleans]

24. my gut says there is more here than he is saying

that there is A LOT more

and he was pissed/broken hearted as we all get whenever our idol who we worship and adore spurns us and falls from their pedestal.

on edit: (choir of angels sings for scottie's broken heart)

[Mountainman]

25. I believe him but I don't understand how he could have thought that Bush was going to improve

Washington. I am amazed that so many people didn't get it during the election like we did. It was so clear that bush was not qualified to be president. The media was on his side before 9/11.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

26. The only new information I've heard so far

is about the set up photo on Air Force One showing Bush looking out the window. Apparently, Karl Rove came up with the idea and Bush wasn't even looking out on New Orleans at the time because the airplane was over Nevada. It was completely staged, but then Bush's entire Katrina disaster trip was one staged event after another, with firefighters taken out of service so they could pose with the chimpanzee and bulldozing equipment moved to sound stages where the chimpanzee could thump his chest and look important. The photo on Air Force One is something I didn't know about, but it's quite characteristic of the type of phoney charade that Rove would come up with and that Bush has been participating in his entire miserable life ever since his dress-up cheerleader days. The rest of the so-called revelations in the book haven't surprised me. McClellan is mainly a corroborating witness to evidence about the Bush administration we've known all along. The best thing to come out of the book, in my opinion, is McClellan's commentary about the pathetic way the press failed to challenge ChimpCo in the lead up to the war. If anyone can judge the effectiveness of the press in challenging the administration's policies, it's the press secretary who has to face those challenges. That critique of the media and the debate it has stirred alone makes the book worthwhile in my opinion.

As far as any material about Bush that McClellan might have held back, I'm sure there's tons of it, involving Bush's strange behavior in private. Bush I believe is quite mentally insane and maybe one day someone close to him will write a book about it.

[nebenaube]

30. my BS meter says this is just another

scene in act III. We haven't revolted yet and that's exactly what the powers-that=be want; a revolt. The best plan of action is really just to make it to the inauguration and then demand change. Until then it'll either be insurrection followed by martial law or terror attack followed by martial law. If it's the latter, my money's on MIHOP V3.0

[rocktivity]

31. He pulled his punches while in the clinches

He "doesn't know" why congress would want to subpoena him, or if we should worry about what Bush has been saying about Iraq.

If he's truly repentant, I suggest he get himself under oath.

:headbang:
rocknation

[lligrd]

32. I Think He Sees The Writing On The Jail House Wall And Is

simply trying to cover his ass. And make a bit of money while doing so.