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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:29 AM
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Pat Buchanan: Springtime For Appeasers
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/29/pat-buchanan-springtime-for-appeasers/

You've got to love how easily conservatives jerk their knees and point their fingers at liberals, labeling them appeasers and traitors, when the reality of historical fact paints quite the opposite picture. From the defenders of slavery who formed the Confederacy to Henry Ford, the America First Committee, and ever onward, the record of cultural conservatives who have readily dispensed with America's interests -- especially the preservation of its democratic institutions -- in favor of their own (usually moneyed) interests is as long as it is disgraceful.

When Preznit Bush the other week attacked Barack Obama (and by extension, liberals generally) as being like the appeasers of the Nazis before World War II, there was of course no small irony, considering that Bush's own grandfather had built a chunk of the family fortune out of business dealings with the Nazis, helping ship large sums of American capital to Germany as the Nazis built their war machine in the 1930s. But the larger irony, perhaps, lay in the fact that a number of notable Republicans, movement conservative icons, continue to argue that it was a mistake not to appease Nazi Germany -- and that America's participation in World War II was a mistake.

The most prominent of these, of course, is Pat Buchanan.

Buchanan has for some years promoted the theory that the U.S. and Britain should have just let Hitler have his way -- essentially letting the far right wipe out leftist movements regardless of the criminal methods employed and with little concern about collateral civilian deaths -- because he would have let white English speakers go unmolested.

Apparently Buchanan has a new book in the works along these lines titled Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World, and he was on CNN last night promoting it. It was something to behold:

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This book is appalling. The things he says here are appalling. That this man is being paid by MSNBC as some sort of expert is appalling. That I have to watch this man on TV is appalling. Why is this man not considered radical fringe? Why is this man considered mainstream conservatism?

Why are not Rethugs expected to explain why they let this man preach in their church?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:34 AM
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1. If you want the left to be represented on television...
...you ought to allow a paleoconservative the same entry to the public discourse. People on MSNBC continually point out the fact that he's right-wing -- nobody is bamboozled by him. Everyone knows where he perspective originates and where he strays into views not held by most Americans. They keep him because he's smart and consistent and holds a wealth of history in his memory.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:58 AM
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2. okay ... tell me the number of times that a "left" viewpoint was allowed on TV
without a conservative represented? (and don't get me going about the "moderator" ...)
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:32 PM
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4. Buchanan catches fire from his fellow commentators
I was watching either Olbermann or the show that comes after him a few days ago.

Buchanan was on and his fellow commentators were boxing him about the ears on Watergate and several other things.

To his credit, he didn't storm off like Joe Scarsborough did a few weeks back when someone read Joe the riot act. He sat there and took it without offering much defense for his actions.

Pat was one of the first people in the media to jump on Bush for his appeasement comments.

In the end, Pat may be a hater but the guy knows history and I find his commentary relatively informative and in depth compared to the shallow sound bites offered by many of his compatriots.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:23 PM
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3. Buchanan was just on NOVA -- !!?? -- with Stephanie Miller --- Whaat . . . ???
I've switched to NOVA now to hear Hartmann and Randi Rhodes ---
and tuned in early and caught Stephanie Miller who had "hale fellow well met" ---
funny, nice guy -- Buchanan on????

Why???


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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:21 PM
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5. "Hold your friends close, you enemies closer"
Through all recorded history, this meme has surfaced time and time again.

If we don't know what they're up to, they're more dangerous. Besides, what evil can he do if he's busy on the talk show circuit? Nada, Zero.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:11 PM
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7. You can find out what they're doing without making them look good ... can't you?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:22 PM
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8. Yeah, but then they take a photo of you wearing your tin-foil hat...
and it's all over.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:58 AM
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9. No -- this was a case of Stephanie Miller bringing Buchanan onto a liberal talk show ---
and presenting him as a nice guy overall --- !!!/???
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:30 PM
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6. Ruling classes always appease other ruling classes
Rich and powerful people always figure they can talk to other rich and powerful people and find common ground. That sort of thing is so routine, it passes without comment.

But when the poor and dispossessed of one nation try to make common cause with the poor and dispossessed elsewhere, they get labeled as dealing with communists or terrorists or whoever the villain du jour may be.

It's one of the standard tricks, and we really need to keep an eye out for it.

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