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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:29 PM
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Joe Lieberman leading the effort to ban the internet, it seems
On May 8, staff for Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC) Chair Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Ranking Member Susan Collins (R-ME) published a report on homegrown terrorism and the Internet that has raised free speech and guilt-by-association concerns. A coalition of nonprofits and a group of Muslim organizations have both sent letters objecting to the assumptions in the report. In addition, YouTube parent company Google rejected a request from Lieberman to remove all content posted by terrorist organizations, saying videos with legal, nonviolent, and non-hate speech content would remain online.

The report, Violent Islamist Extremism, The Internet, and the Homegrown Terrorist Threat, follows six Senate hearings on the subject and is the first in a series planned by committee staff. It focuses on "how violent Islamist terrorist groups like al-Qaeda are using the Internet to enlist followers into the global violent Islamist terrorist movement …" While the report frequently refers to "domestic radicalization" and "violent Islamist ideology," it never defines these terms. It cites the attacks on public transit systems in London and Madrid and three examples of terrorist plot arrests in the United States as evidence of a "growing trend that has raised concerns within the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities." It goes on to note that unlike Europe, the U.S. history of absorbing immigrants has provided a layer of protection against "homegrown terrorism," but "the terrorists' Internet campaign bypasses America's physical borders and undermines cultural barriers that previously served as a bulwark against al-Qaeda's message …" It then provides examples of "highly sophisticated operations that utilize cutting-edge technology", including websites, chat rooms, online magazines, songs, news updates, and more.

The report's exclusive focus on the Internet and on American Muslims generated an immediate response from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Senior Legislative Counsel Timothy Sparapani said, "Focusing on people with specific religious beliefs or backgrounds will not protect against the Timothy McVeigh's of the world. This narrow focus could cost us dearly in the future." On May 14, a coalition of Muslim organizations sent Lieberman and Collins a joint letter noting the committee's failure to get input from American Muslims at its hearings and expressing concern that the report encourages "suspicion of several million Americans on the basis of faith." The letter was signed by the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Muslim Advocates, and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

Prior to release of the report, a broad-based coalition of nonprofits sent the committee recommendations that urged caution, saying, "It is critically important the articulation of the problem does not cause people merely exercising their First Amendment rights to fear being swept into the net of suspicion." It also pointed to the long-established principle, based on the 1969 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Brandenburg v. Ohio, that "speech can only be curtailed when it is intended to and has the effect of causing imminent lawless conduct. Mere abstract advocacy of violence, however objectionable, may not be barred."

http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/4260/1/538
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:33 PM
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1. Would Joe and co. feel better if extremists were recruiting via snail mail?
Idiots.

If these people had half a brain, maybe they'd look into *why* people are responding to recruitment calls of any kind?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:34 PM
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2. I call upon any and all potential gods to materialize and damn Joe Lieberman
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:37 PM
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3. Why is Joe (leader of a party of one) Chair of any committee? The majority is
the party with the majority at the start of the session it would not change if holly joe quit pretending to caucus with us.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:46 PM
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6. His caucusing with Democrats is what gave them the majority.
At that point, they put into the rules that none of the assignments would change for the entire Congress. Joe keeps his position, but the Democrats maintain control of the committees no matter if the Senate flips for any reason.

Next Congress, I think things will be a little different. Holy Joe on the board of a 527 which has been Swiftboating our presumed presumptive candidate isn't doing him any favors at all among the Democrats.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:48 PM
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8. When they are done with him they can do the horse he rode in on.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:59 PM
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10. Amen. n/t
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johnnycatt Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:17 AM
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12. Joe will be McCain's VP!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:15 PM
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19. good both old nut jobs can ride into history on their delusions.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:42 PM
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4. Joe Lieberman is a dangerous fascist.
He's gone whole hog on the Bush fascism juggernaut, and revealed a very dangerous man.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:38 PM
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5. Joe hates people who might tell the truth.
He hates the average American. Just pay your taxes, donate you children to the military industrial complex and be silent, is Joe's idea of how things should be.

First Joe came for the Muslim...
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:52 PM
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7. Lieb, if you want censored internet, go head over to China
We'd be happy to pay for the ticket to ship you there.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:51 PM
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9. Better ban cell phones while you're at it, Traitor Joe
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:51 PM by KamaAina
that's what the Madrid train station bombers used as a trigger.

Come to think of it, let's ban airplanes, too. That way the Violent Islamist Extremist won't have anything to fly into tall buildings. :eyes:

edit: spelling
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:14 AM
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11. "It goes on to note that unlike Europe...." WRONG! BS
Each European country has immigration problems.

All this tripe is is FEAR MONGERING. fuck off Lieb, you fascist pig.
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johnnycatt Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:18 AM
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13. Joe hates chocolate cake!
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TaffyMoon Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:24 AM
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14. Dis Guy, Gettin On MY Nerves.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:25 AM
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15. It is understandable that a Fascist like Lieberman would be leading that effort.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:26 AM
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16. Lieberman is a big fan of John "Armageddon Some More" Hagee.
Yeah... who's the real terrorist here? :mad:
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 03:51 AM
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17. Too big a voice & too profitable for Dems-so it's a threat to all repugs & would love AT&T, Viacom
Edited on Sat May-31-08 04:01 AM by LaPera
to control it, as these same republican corporate shills did with domestic eavesdropping, as FISA proved...they pretend it's just business, but we see what they are really after and what they did to corporate controlled journalist voices on television news (Time-Warner, GE, Viacom, Disney & Murdoch, all big contributors to republican party, they control the content)....Now, they want the Internet, to control it's content, so we'll let the republican conglomerates control it for profit and editorial content...We lose...BIG time, the last real freedom of democracy that makes a difference and they despise it!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:18 AM
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18. Excellent point -- it's about money and control.
They're using the threat of terrorism again to get what they want.
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