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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:50 AM
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RIP -- Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act - HR 1955 / S 1959
You remember this piece of repressive garbage. It sought to empower agencies of the US national security apparatus to make judgment calls about things like intent and preemption, then act on those calls to allegedly prevent the idea from sparking an undefined action or behavior pattern. This requires precognition or unlawful surveillance. One is unlikely and the other is illegal -- or used to be. And it's certainly immoral and against the spirit of the Constitution, also a quaint notion these days.

So I've been wondering what's up with the Senate version (HR 1955 squeaked by in the House 404 - 6 last October). Then I got this email yesterday from the bill tracker for United for Peace and Justice and I honestly don't know what to make of it.


Homegrown Terrorism & violent radicalization

Months ago we alerted you to a bill that flew through the House that so broadly defined homegrown terrorism and its sister threat 'violent radicalization' that we all could come under government scrutiny. That bill has died a quiet death in the Senate Homeland Security Committee, but its spirit lives on. Sen. Lieberman (Chair of the Homeland Security Committee) is on a crusade against Islamist Radicals (his words, not mine). He is attempting to censor YouTube, and is using a series of reports issued by the Homeland Security Committee to bolster his case. Read about Lieberman's latest attempt to kick the Constitution when it is down. Your group is encouraged to sign on to a memo that will be sent to the committee on May 30. (Deadline extended to June 2)



This piece of legislation was, imo, as important to the Bushies' domestic repression program as the patriot act, NSPD 51 and the military commissions act. It was a key tool in the Pentagon's initiative to treat the Internet as an "enemy weapons system."

That peculiar characterization is from the 2003 Pentagon document entitled the Information Operation Roadmap, which was released to the public after a Freedom of Information Request by the National Security Archive at George Washington University in 2006. You can download the report as a pdf file from a link toward the beginning of this article.

It's tough to mourn the passing of a bill that tells us "...the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence..." is a criminal act. Broadly defined enough for you? I guess the new Directorate of Homeland Telepathy will be making those judgments, since we've now crossed the line between actions and thoughts and mind-readers are going to be a hot commodity.

Where does all this violent ideology come from? It's bubbling through the tubes of the Internets, where Islamofascists roam free as the antelope, where brutality and bloody violence are glorified and where thoughts and ideas pose serious threats to "homeland security" and must be suppressed. Actually, that sounds more like a Bruce Willis movie, but what the hell. At any rate, these two clauses are fairly unambiguous:


(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.



Of course it has, you delusional parasites. The truth, and who has access to it, is always a problem for fascists. So now it's the damned Internets, where actual facts exist and where the entire alternate universe of the international press is just waiting to tell Americans what the Bushies have really been up to in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Where Iraqi teenagers tell tales of unbelievable brutality by the occupying forces. Where "embedded" US corporate media dilettantes are revealed as the suck-up non-entities they are, more concerned with access than truth, afraid to criticize anything the US does lest that access be denied, afraid of getting fired if their editors determine their stories aren't pro-Bushie enough, afraid of losing out on lucrative corporate PR gigs when their "journalism" days are over.

Yeah, if I were a fascist dictatorship masquerading as a legitimately elected government, I'd want that crap kept away from my subjects, too. Not that the Internet is anywhere near 100 percent reliable. Anything but. It just presents alternative world views from millions of people with completely different perspectives than that of the "normal" US TV news consumer.

It was the junta's latest, best shot at trying to diminish or eliminate the parallel universe of the Intertubes and force anyone who wanted "news" back to the TV and its fantasy land vision of corporate America. Where slime queens Brittany and Paris outrank all democrats; where the oratory of leftist preachers is an affront to the national interest while their right wing nut job counterparts get a complete pass; where brains and journalistic experience are unnecessary as long as the "on air talent" has good cheek bones and perfect teeth; where the health of the US economy is measured by the wealth of the Wall St. investor class and the middle class can go to hell; and where it's always a great day for another US air strike and the traditional mass slaughter of civilians. Oh, and torture isn't really torture at all; it's just enhanced interrogation and doesn't violate any Geneva conventions whatsoever.

The only disturbing bit of information in that email is the slithering presence of Senator Joementum (asshole - Tel Aviv). Anything Lieberman's up to is by definition a bad deal for civil liberties and human rights. Now that he's finally unleashed his inner wingnut he can openly support every Bushean initiative and play kissy face with McPain and Hagee, too.

Worse yet, he's still pivotal in keeping Senate committee chairmanships out of the hands of GOPpiggies, so Reid constantly sucks up to this vile turncoat megalomaniac when he should be treating him like some particularly ugly glob of street slime stuck to the sole of his left shoe.

But enough on the negative side. The death of the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act is the hardest blow to the face the Bushies have taken so far. I don't know if it signals a trend or if it's a once-in-a-lifetime case of politicians acting in the best interests of their constituents.

If that's the case, somebody call Guinness. Even if it's not unique in the history of democratic republics, it deserves honorable mention.


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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:03 AM
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1. This sort of take on things reminds me of this so so film
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:24 AM
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2. Oh THANK you! I've been so hoping for news like this.
It may not be as huge as impeachment, but it's definitely a victory for freedom.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:34 AM
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3. Down, down, down to Hell with the VRHTPA...
...and tell everyone down there that Uncle Sam, after a temorary lapse of reason, sent you!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:35 AM
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4. That's Progress now to go after the Democratic members that supported it
They should be ashamed and turned out of office.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:51 PM
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7. Unfortunately, there were 219 of them...
... 185 GOPiggies and 22 abstentions, according to this vote tracker. Three democrats voted nay, including Kucinich.

Problem is, some of the ayes came from the good guys: Lee, Wexler, Miller, Stark, Farr, Watson and the great John Lewis.

I just have no idea what the hell they were thinking, or if they even read it before voting. I'm going to have to email a few of them and see if I can get a straight answer -- or anything at all besides a form letter thanking me for my support on the recent House Resolution to designate October as national mayonnaise month.

Right now, I'm sending my best wishes to Shirley Golub in hopes that she can rid us of the botox queen and her obscene fucking table.


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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:00 PM
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5. Don't be taking any naps
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:02 PM by formercia
they could easily slip it past as an amendment to a bill.

They won't quit until it passes or they are driven into the hinterlands or prison.

They forget that the next President might declare them terrorists and use it on the perpeTRAITORS.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:07 PM
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8. Sleeping with one eye open since Dec. 12, 2000...
Which really gets pretty damn uncomfortable if you do it year after year.

If you read as far as the note about Jumpin' Joementum and his latest crusade, you'll see the next assault on internet freedom and general sanity taking shape in the twisted, vindictive pseudo-mind of the honorable senator from Tel Aviv.

Because true assholes are never content unless they can cause other people to suffer even more than they are, Ol' Joementum, who wormed his way into the position of chair of the Homeland Security Committee, is on the warpath against those pesky "Islamist Radicals."

He seems to think that video is the root of all evil, so he's out to censor YouTube content (the execs of which have politely but directly told him to fuck off and take his paranoid fantasies and overtly fascist world view with him).

Seems to me that only good thing to come out of Grand Theft Election: The 2000 Version is the fact that Lieberman was denied the vice presidency. Not that Cheney's been anything but the sociopathic, war-mongering, greedy loon that we all expected. But there's something about Holy Joe -- hypocrisy? smarminess? his willingness to be a tool of the GOP? I don't know... -- there's just something about Mojomentum that makes me want to put a fist right through his prissy little mouth and all the way through to his lizard brain, assuming it's distinguishable from the rest of the suet that fills his cranial cavity.

Anyway, yeah you're definitely correct about sneaking it into some bill to extend health care to poor kids... Something the democrats would probably name after a computer part, again demonstrating that they couldn't figure out how to market ice water to a group of hikers lost in the desert for three days without fluids.

Sounds familiar somehow... something about an S-chip maybe? Are they that stupid that they'd name a kids' health care bill after a computer component? Is the pope German?


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:02 PM
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6. Thank you for this !! Bookmarking for future reference ! K&R
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:57 PM
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9. Glad to hear it.
That bill sounded like the second comming of Joe McCarthy.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:27 PM
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10. The 21st century version of the Alien and Seditions Act.
Thanks for the thread, warren pease.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:40 PM
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11. It's dead? It just hasn't been voted on...
The Senate version is S.1959:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959

1959 is still listed here;

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSGA

Under;
Legislation in this Committee
Introduced Measures Pending Committee Consideration





The House version, H.R. 1955:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955



Don't break out the Champagne, not yet.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:05 AM
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13. things have to be voted out of committee before it makes it on the floor
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:27 AM
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14. Yeah, that's what concerned me too at first but...
I'm good with the credibility of the person who sent me the note in the OP (not just to me; to a whole distribution list). And I've since been able to talk to another source who confirms the initial email.

United for Peace and Justice is, according to their website: "...a coalition of more than 1400 local and national groups throughout the United States who have joined together to protest the immoral and disastrous Iraq War and oppose our government's policy of permanent warfare and empire-building."

Volunteers do things like track the progress of bills that are particularly awful or particularly beneficial (not a lot of the latter in the past 30 years or so).

So they do keep current with this kind of stuff, and they have absolutely no reason to lie about it. In fact, it's directly counter to their interests to tell people that S 1959 isn't a danger anymore.

They've called this POS a serious attack on free speech in general and specifically on the continued use of the Intertubes as the only remaining communications system that enables free exchange and discussion of the stuff we're not supposed to even know exists. Rather, we're supposed to watch Fux or CNN and think we just learned everything we need to know about the events of the day.

So, given all the above, I'm very confident that this piece of repressive garbage is, if not actually dead, then in a permanent coma.

However, as somebody noted above, watch closely for some stealth maneuver by these incredibly determined and persistent fascists to try and sneak the basics of S 1959 into some other completely unrelated bill -- something that nobody in the House or Senate can possibly vote against.

Like a proclamation designating, say, June 30 as "Support Our Troops or We'll Kick Your Ass Day."

(The phrase "Or We'll Kick Your Ass" is a service mark of the peerless Skittles, LLC. All rights reserved.)


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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:23 PM
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12. RIP ?? How about BURN IN HELL !! nt
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:38 AM
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15. How about right alongside the entire Bush international crime syndicate...
All stuck forever in the low-rent district of hell, where the heat's worse, the scenery's boring and the ghost of Saint Abbie Hoffman comes along every hour or so to laugh at them and talk about what assholes and losers and punks they are.

I suspect that of all the things Overlord Cheney can't handle -- and the list is probably huge -- getting ridiculed is right at the top. Fine, you prick. How about being the most pathetic standing joke in the netherworld for all eternity.

Eternal damnation isn't nearly bad enough for these swine. Destroying their egos by turning them from strutting little tin-plated despots into eternal laughingstocks evens things up a little more.

As Malloy says, have I mentioned lately how much I loathe these people?


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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:06 PM
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16. I'm From Connecticut
And a Lamont voter. I'm very happy to hope Senator Joe's numerical strategic importance in the Senate will be at an end after November.


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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:57 PM
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17. So how the hell did this obvious fraud sucker enough people in Conn. to get elected?
Did people think he was a moderate prior to this two-year coming out party he's having, or do people generally understand that he's a duplicitous right wing prick who is only interested in protecting Israel's sovereignty but they voted for him in spite of all that?

And what happened to Lamont? I kept hearing that his campaign was going great and that he could kick Ol' Joementum's sorry lying ass with one arm in a sling.

Is this another case of GOPiggy election fraud? Did they pull some huge get-out-the-vote drive for the honorable gentleman from Tel Aviv? Was there a release of some odorless, tasteless gas that turns people into masochists just long enough to get to the polls and vote to shoot themselves in the foot yet again?

Gawd that result pissed me off. I know too many people from Connecticut who would rather drive a chisel into their ears than vote for that piece of shit. What the hell happened?


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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 12:36 AM
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18. Two Words
Lamont ran as a grass-roots, breath-of-fresh-air candidate, with more than a hint of an anti-war message. People were afraid of that.

The Lieberman appetite -- one is reluctant to think of such a powdery, testudine individual in terms of "lust" -- for Senatorial power kept him in play. His lack of respect for his constituents kept him in the race after losing the Democratic primary, then his general lack of integrity allowed him to court Republican support & votes in the general election.

The actual Republican candidate was a non-entity chiefly distinguished by some sort of gambling scandal, so the newly-minted Independent candidate, Joe, was a more attractive proposition to many of CT's Republicans, who are, as Republicans go, rather moderate.

So I don't think there was any fraud in the criminal sense in this case. Rather just a poorly-run challenge campaign, a failure of character on the part of the incumbent, a vacancy of anyone for Republicans to vote for, & the relative ease of transference from conservative Democrat to moderate Republican in a place like CT, all of which worked together to produce the historical result.

I predict Senator Joe's next great infamy will be running as John McCain's VP candidate.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 12:42 AM
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19. I will have to open a bottle of champagne
(even if in the virtual world of the interwebs)

Our national nightmare is getting some pushback...


:toast: :party:

Now back to work getting the reset of this crap undone

(and I predict this will make them far more desperate)
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 02:56 AM
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20. Your passion could burn holes into people's eyeballs.
I hope it's contagious and spreads. Me, I've burned down so many times in that same fury, I'm covered with a layer of fine white ash.

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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 12:26 PM
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21. Maybe, but there's something really disgusting about gelatinous blobs....
... of liquefied cornea mixed with iris pulp dripping all over the kitchen, don't you think? I'd hate to be responsible for anything like that.

Now, if I could do what Superman does and train my long-distance directed energy killer stare toward somebody who truly deserves it, somebody like... -- oh... I don't know... who would be a good target?... I just can't think of anyone off the top of my head right now...

Damn! Don't you hate that? It's on the very tip of my tongue -- or index finger as it happens.

So... time to wipe the ashes off, get furious again and get busy.

There's wingnuts to roast, vichy dems to kick out of congress starting with Pelosi, a disgruntled harridan to keep from ruining the rest of the campaign, massive election fraud to prepare for and overcome.

And stay alert for something as yet undefined from the bottomless well of pure evil the Bushies draw from when things look like they need a little shove in the right direction. And McPain is a classic case of a loser needing a black op to redirect public opinion so at least the vote totals are close enough for another count of grand theft election.

There's inherent contempt citations to serve, frog marches to cheer and record for posterity, whistleblowers to protect, felony indictments and international summonses to be handed down, an entire regime to arrest, try, convict, imprison and toss the keys in the Trevi Fountain until it overflows.

Exciting times, if you're still up for a good street fight.


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