14 felony counts. How do you plead, Mr Bonds?

[Stinky The Clown]

Not guilty. says the nicely muscled one.


http://origin.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_9502183

[panader0]

1. Sorry. On this one I'm behind Barry Bonds

IF he did take steroids, (and he probably did, just like 50% of players) he did so when said substances were NOT illegal. The question here is whether he lied to the grand jury about whether he knew or did not know what he was taking. Why should he be singled out as the poster boy for steroid use, even though it was legal at the time, when so many other players did so as well. As for his weight gain since he was 20 years old, well, I think that more than a few of us have added weight since then. And, since the stink over steroids emerged on the scene, he has been tested over and over, and never found guilty. During that time of intense scrutiny, he continued to pound tha homers. He is one of the greatest players of all time, and I would have to say that even if I wasn't born in San Francisco. A guy like Barry is indicted while Cheney bush Libby rove et al go unindicted. This country is backwards.

[YankmeCrankme]

10. Using steroids without doctor's prescription was always illegal.

While baseball didn't have a specific rule against it, so you could argue it was "cheating", using without a doctor's prescription was illegal. And I include phony prescription by doctors that weren't addressing a medical condition.

[TheDebbieDee]

2. I'm for Mr. Bonds, too..........And I don't even like him!

Unless they start trying to dig up evidence on Mark McGuire's steroid usage, they should let the Bonds thing go. Everybody KNOWS he used 'roids. Nobody can prove it but everybody KNOWS it. Nobody tried to put an * after his name when he held the single-season HR record.

[klyon]

6. I think it is a problem for baseball not congress

a lot of athletes have taken steroids since the 60's

[acmavm]

3. This is a ridiculous and frivolous prosecution. Not real familiar with

Mr. Bonds and his career so I'm not basing my opinion on that. This hounding of this guy has cost big bucks, why the fuck they want his hide so bad is beyond me.

[Dreamer Tatum]

5. So, no one should get accused of lying to a grand jury?

Interesting.

[acmavm]

9. No. He should have never been hounded like he was for a 'crime' that

dozens and dozens of other sports figures do all the time. And weight lifters. And body builders. And just plain schmucks who think they'll trade their health for looking good for just a while. Oh fuck, didn't Arnie take 'roids?

THE KILLING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT IRAQIS AND AMERICAN SERVICE PEOPLE SEEMS TO ME TO BE A BETTER CAUSE TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME, MONEY, AND RESOURSES ON THAN WHO TOOK STERIODS DURING THEIR SPORTS CAREER.

Am I yelling? Yes. Did you get my point? Probably not.

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. How many of those people lied to grand juries?

Yell to your heart's content - the issue on the table is who he lied to and when, not what he took and when.

Am I yelling? No. Did you get my point? Well, allow me to elaborate:

Grand jury member: "Mr. Bush, did you invade and occupy Iraq on completely false pretenses?"

GWB: "No, I didn't."

Grand jury member: "Mr. Bush, may I remind you that there are severe consequences to lying to a grand jury?"

GWB's mouthpiece: "No, there aren't. See U.S. vs. Barry Bonds for precendent."


Catch on?

[acmavm]

13. Catch on? No, I'm way ahead of you. This is just shit prosecution when

you look at old Scoots. What are the real problems in this country? Steroids? How much money was spent on this investigation when there are others that need funded so much more? Yep, he lied. So did Bill Clinton. So did George Bush. So did Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, Dougie Feith, what the fuck ever.

They want to fry this guy. Like I said I don't give a shit about who he is or what he's done, but this is the fucking biggest thing that we get out of government? Out of what was it, W This is the fucking guy that they want to imprison for years because HE lied?

<snip>
The indictment, culminating a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes, charged Bonds with four counts of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. If convicted, he could be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years in prison.
<snip>

Bonds is by far the highest-profile figure caught up in the steroids probe, which also ensnared track star Marion Jones. She pleaded guilty in October to lying to federal investigators about using steroids and faces up to six months in prison.

http://cbs5.com/sports/barry.bonds.indicted.2.568905.html
-more-

FOUR FUCKING YEARS?? They spent four fucking years on this but they've done NOTHING about the crimes committed by this administration. Do you not understand that they haven't done anything about anything for us for almost eight (8) long fucking years but they've spent FOUR years on this shit. And they want 30 fucking years for this guy and six months from Jones. Of course, she pleaded guilty.

Yeah, now they (little panels on this, little committees on that) in law enforcement and government are looking like they are starting to stir and root around, maybe gonna start looking into some of this shit. But hell, there's still people from earlier hearings who are giving the laws of this country the metaphorical middle finger because they've already been caught lying about some pretty serious shit more important than this. And they're still out and wandering around without and problems or restrictions.

But hey, they left no stone unturned in this horrendous scandal about steriod use in sports:

<snip>
Monday, May 16, 2005
NFL Asked to Release Additional Testing Results
Chairman Davis and Rep. Waxman write NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue to request the results of the league's testosterone testing since 1995.

http://oversight.house.gov/investigations.asp?ID=244
-Lots more-

You justify this insanity with the glib 'well he lied to ...' Well his lies ain't fucking worth 30 years and his lies didn't have anything to do with hurting anybody else but himself by using steroids.

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. You. Refuse. To. Understand.

So you deserve little attention.

Bonds is under indictment for lying. That's all. It only relates to steroids in that he lied about them.
And lying to a grand jury os lying to a grand jury - the 'he only hurt himself' meme is a non starter.

The lack of prosecution of Bush doesn't exculpate Bonds, or make less serious the crime of lying under oath.

[acmavm]

16. 30 years. Pay attention. 30 years.

[Hobarticus]

4. Bonds lied to a grand jury. THAT's what the charges are for

Perjury and obstruction of justice, plain and simple:

Illston in March dismissed the original five-count perjury and obstruction indictment against Bonds, who allegedly lied about using steroids as he chased baseball's home run records. The judge agreed with Bonds' lawyers that the indictment was too vague and crafted improperly, and ordered prosecutors to redraft the charges.

The U.S. attorney's office responded last month with the new indictment, which contains 14 perjury counts and one obstruction of justice count. The legal implications for Bonds remain the same - he faces the prospect of federal prison if convicted of lying to the federal grand jury, which was investigating Balco's link to steroid distribution in sports at the time of the superstar's testimony.

[Canuckistanian]

7. Regardless of your charges, if you lie to a Grand Jury, you serve time

After all, that's what Scooter Libby was charged with.

[Hobarticus]

8. I think some folks are confused...

...and seem to think this is strictly for the steroids.

They chose....poorly.

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. There is a substantial irony here

The Bonds case has very little to do with steroids, and everything to do with obstruction of justice and
lying.

The same thing they want the entire Bush administration in prison for.

Perhaps a little more reading, and a little less knee-jerk, and the irony could be avoided.

[Hobarticus]

17. Excuse me...no facts allowed here, please...

And CERTAINLY no irony.

:toast:

[NoGOPZone]

15. Actually, Libby is the exception

Thanks to clemency.

[uppityperson]

20. Yup. You lie, you are wrong.

[Arkana]

18. ...with the strangely soft, feminine voice.

[Octafish]

19. GOP is using Mr. Bonds.

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