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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:28 PM
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TYT: Are The Republicans And Barack Obama Going to Give Into the Terrorists?
Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 03:00 PM by ihavenobias


NOTE: I'm very hesitant to post Cenk's article below because I can already see all of the incredibly negative comments that are inevitable. And yes, if you've spent any amount of time here, you know I'm an (avid) Obama supporter. It's unavoidable, but please read this BEFORE you comment:

1. I don't always agree with Cenk. I don't necessarily disagree with him on this, but I think parts (like the title which I took directly from the article) are unnecessarily inflammatory.

2. Cenk has praised Obama countless times on his show while also bashing McCain. Before you rant about how he's doing a disservice to the party and reducing Obama's chances in November, I encourage you to keep that in the proper context. It DOES matter who is doing the criticizing and why.

3. I don't WANT to only listen to people that I always agree with, especially people within my own party. I DO NOT agree that dissent and questioning our leaders shows a lack of commitment or patriotism, in fact I fully reject that idea and think the opposite is true. Yes, there are anti-Obama trolls who exploit this but many of us (Cenk and myself included) clearly do NOT fall into that camp and .

With that said, here is the article (see link at the very top of this post if you want to share it):

The Republicans, and most of the Democrats, . Today they are set to to Osama bin Laden.

Real patriots died to get us those rights. Real patriots have died throughout the years to protect those rights. Now a bunch of cowards are going to give them up somewhere in Pakistan.

And somehow Barack Obama thought it was a good idea to go along with these surrender monkeys. He thought it was a good idea to sign right before the elections. What a terrible lack of judgment. What a sad display of weakness.

This is how Democrats lose presidential elections. They agree with every heinous thing the Republicans offer up and then wonder why they can't successfully challenge them. That's because you already agreed with them and undercut yourself and everything you claimed to stand for.

It's terrible politics to campaign from weakness. It's terrible politics to start by agreeing with the worst bills designed by the worst Republicans, and then try to distinguish yourself from them. But aside from the politics, it's a pathetic acquiescence to the wishes of Al Qaeda.

Osama bin Laden wanted us to give up our rights, he wanted us to change our form of government, he wanted us to be less free. But he couldn't do that himself. He could only set off some bombs. Only we could take away our rights. And we did. We played right into his hands.

Every time Dick Cheney says we have to give up our rights for more perceived security, he is telling you that he doesn't believe in America. He thinks our system is too weak. It's not authoritarian enough and won't be able to defeat Al Qaeda.

This system of ours defeated the Nazis, the Soviets and every other enemy it has faced. But the Bush administration argued that they can't do what Roosevelt and Truman and the rest of our presidents did without cheating and without giving away our freedoms.

The Democrats agreed. And Barack Obama agreed. This is called the politics of weakness.

Now imagine if Barack Obama had stood up and said this instead:

"Mr. President, I'm not going to let you give away our unalienable rights to Osama bin Laden because you are afraid. We are the American people and let alone terrorists. .

This is the land of the free, the home of the brave. And "

That would have been the politics of strength. Instead today we will get yet another capitulation by yet another Democrat running yet another weak presidential campaign. I thought we were going to get change in this country.





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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:31 PM
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1. K&R in disgust.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:33 PM
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2. The Republicans are the Terrorists
are they going to give into themselves?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:37 PM
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3. This seems so obvious, I'm amazed we need an editorial to clue us in. Obama stood up and said,
'I'm afraid of the terrorists and I'm afraid of the Repos. And I'm afraid of the corporations. So I have to vote for a bill I don't much like, because I'm afraid not to."

Well, like I told the nice young woman calling for a donation today; "Ask the telecoms for money. They have a lot more than I do, and they owe him."

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 09:22 PM
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10. Bingo!
I got a call from the DCCC today - they got the same answer from me.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:52 PM
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4. Cenk is venting his disappointment, and I understand.
Bottom line for me: Obama is the only one of the "good guys" (Boxer, Biden, Kerry, Feingold, Leahy, Clinton, Dodd, etc.) who voted this way. I have to wonder why. When those champions of our civil liberties -- the ACLU, Jonathan Turley, e.g. -- being vehemently opposed to this, again, I have to wonder why Obama chose to go the other way. It's honestly puzzling and disturbing to me. He had the perfect opportunity to vote against this, citing the feedback he'd received from his supporters, but he didn't take advantage of it. Why?

Although Cenk may have come across sounding too critical and judgmental, I'm in agreement with his basic disillusionment.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 03:01 PM
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5. K & R!
You expressed how I feel.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 03:31 PM
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6. That sounds reasonable to me n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 04:04 PM
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7. K&R
:kick:
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:36 PM
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8. Bump!
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highprincipleswork Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 08:46 PM
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9. Chickenshits
The question is when will Democrats, and especially :Senator Obama, see that such chickenshit behavior really does not help them win elections.

That standing up, as you did eloquently above, for high principles, is the safest ground. I actually got a response the other day from a Senator's office, when I said "the safest ground is the highest ground, not the lowest principle".

So, we're onto something here. Sounds like the same stuff that started this country. And it's so hard to believe that they let these lying cowards go on and on, even grabbing the mantle of being "better at fighting terrorism", when the worst terrorist disaster in American history took place on their watch!!!

Obama has to take it to them eventually on this - that they failed on 9-11, even though they had plenty of intelligence. They didn't need better intelligence gathering methods. They just needed to act on the intelligence they already had.

And yes, I know, using intelligence in the same sentence with this bunch is double-using the word "oxymoron".
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