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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:32 AM
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Sibel Edmonds Case: The Central Asia Islamization Cocktail: Mosques, Madrassas, Heroin & Terrorism
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 09:52 AM by lukery
In my article last week, Court Documents Shed Light on CIA Illegal Operations in Central Asia Using Islam & Madrassas, we saw how the CIA, along with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, have been financing the promotion of radical Islam in Central Asia in a decade-long illegal covert operation.

The operation includes propaganda and indoctrination in the form of financing, building and operating madrassas, control of media outlets and publishing houses, financing of terrorist groups, and heroin trafficking, as well as facilitating the requisite money-laundering apparatus. It is this operation that is at the heart of the gagging of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, and many of the names on Sibel's State Secrets Privilege Gallery are associated with this operation.

This modus operandi is not new, of course. A recent New York Times article noted that "Saudi and American money" financed schools in Pakistan which "spread Islamic radicalism" dating back to the 1980s. Students from these schools went on to fight the Russians in Afghanistan alongside other CIA creations such as Osama Bin Laden.

The US government has also previously used Islamic fighters, including Al-Qaeda, in the Chechen and Balkan wars. In these cases, and with the Central Asian operation, we see the same elements - Islamic terrorist groups, drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, and money laundering - converging with the 'foreign policy' objectives of a small group of US officials, and US energy companies. In each case, the activities of the Islamic groups have been facilitated by puppet states of the US; Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey. (IS ALL THIS TRUE?)

Kosovo and Albania
In 1999, Washington Times reportedthat:
"Some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Laden...

The KLA members, embraced by the Clinton administration in NATO's 41-day bombing campaign... were trained in secret camps in Afghanistan, Bosnia-Herzegovina and elsewhere, according to newly obtained intelligence reports.

The reports also show that the KLA has enlisted Islamic terrorists -- members of the Mujahideen --as soldiers in its ongoing conflict against Serbia...
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The reports said bin Laden's organization, known as al-Qaeda, has both trained and financially supported the KLA.
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The KLA's involvement in drug smuggling as a means of raising funds for weapons is long-standing. Intelligence documents show it has aligned itself with an extensive organized crime network in Albania that smuggles heroin to buyers throughout Western Europe and the United States.

Drug agents in five countries believe the cartel is one of the most powerful heroin smuggling organizations in the world."
Similarly, the Wall Street Journal, Europe reported in 2001:
"For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part."
Ayman Al-Zawahiri, of course, is reported to have been the brains behind the September Eleven terrorist attack in the United States. His brother, Muhammad al-Zawahiri, is the head of the Albanian network, accordingto Yossef Bodansky, director of the House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.

In short, at a minimum, the United States, with NATO, were supporting the Kosovo Liberation Army alongside Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.


Chechnya
In Chechnya we see the same pattern of certain US policy elites and al-Qaeda working on the same team.

According to a front page article in the Washington Post in 2003:
"Russian intelligence officials assert that Osama bin Laden donated at least $25 million and dispatched numerous fighters to Chechnya, including Ibn Khattab, a Saudi who led one of the best-trained contingents. The United States now agrees that Khattab had al Qaeda ties, and cited those links when it added three Chechen rebel units to its list of terrorist organizations earlier this year.

American officials said that several hundred Chechen fighters were trained at al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and that bin Laden sent "substantial amounts of money" to equip Chechen rebels in 1999."

In fact, a 1998 DIA report (pdf), exposedby the conservative group Judicial Watch in 2004 via a FOIA request in 2000, noted that Khattab was a "personal friend" of bin Laden, and that bin Laden sent Khattab to Chechnya in 1995 to "organize training camps for international terrorists." Three camps were established, and graduations were held every two months.

US support for the Chechens has been well documented. In a September 2004 articlein the Guardian, subtitled "The Washington neocons' commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own," a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC) is put under the spotlight. It's members include Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, James Woolsey, Stephen Solarz and Morton Abramowitz.

The Guardian notes:
"The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic. It compares the Chechen crisis to those other fashionable "Muslim" causes, Bosnia and Kosovo - implying that only international intervention in the Caucasus can stabilise the situation there. In August, the ACPC welcomed the award of political asylum in the US, and a US-government funded grant, to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the opposition Chechen government, and a man Moscow describes as a terrorist. Coming from both political parties, the ACPC members represent the backbone of the US foreign policy establishment, and their views are indeed those of the US administration.
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Allegations are even being made in Russia that the west itself is somehow behind the Chechen rebellion, and that the purpose of such support is to weaken Russia, and to drive her out of the Caucasus. "
The aforementioned Judicial Watch accountof the DIA report notes that:
"A good deal of information concerning OBL’s and al Qaeda’s efforts in Chechnya, the Caucuses, Crimea, and the Central Asian Republics is covered in the (report). The confirmed existence of a “direct route to Chechnya from Pakistan and Afghanistan through Turkey and Azerbaijan” is a stunning “information point” within this (report) – especially in light of the date of the information, 1998."
A 2008 articlein the UK Times, "Al-Qaeda kingpin: I trained 9/11 hijackers," about Louai al-Sakka confirms the existence of the terrorist pipeline through Turkey to Chechnya.
(Sakka's) story is also one of a globetrotting terrorist in an organisation that is truly multinational.
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The Chechens needed trained fighters. Sakka was telephoned by Ibn al-Khattab, the late militia leader controlling the foreign fighters against the Russians. Khattab requested that Sakka’s trainees should be sent on to Afghanistan for military training because “conditions are tough”.
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One of Sakka’s chief roles was to organise passports and visas for the volunteers to make their way to Afghanistan through Pakistan. His ability to keep providing high-quality forged papers made Turkey a main hub for Al-Qaeda movements, his lawyer says. The young men came to Turkey pretending to be on holiday and Sakka’s false papers allowed them to “disappear” overseas.

Turkish intelligence were aware of unusual militant Islamic activity in the Yalova mountains, where Sakka had set up his camps.
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Some of Sakka’s account is corroborated by the US government’s 9/11 Commission. It found evidence that four of the hijackers – whom Sakka says he trained – had initially intended to go to Chechnya from Turkey but the border into Georgia was closed.
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Sakka’s lawyer said: “Just like there is money laundering, there is also terrorist laundering and Turkey was the centre of this.”
In fact, apprehended terrorists often hold Turkish passports - reportedly both fake and real. A quick google search, for example, demonstrates Turkish passports on terrorists captured in New York, Chechnya, Chechnyaagain and again, Pakistan training camps, and Georgia, Russia, and Kyrgyzstan. Many of the 'detainees' at Guantanamo also hold Turkish passports.

Central Asia
Now we come full circle to the current operations in Central Asia which are at the core of the gagging of Sibel Edmonds. As outlined in my recent article, "Court Documents Shed Light on CIA Illegal Operations in Central Asia Using Islam & Madrassas," the CIA has been funding an illegal covert operation to 'Islamicize' the Central Asian region in order to wrest control away from Russia and secure the vast energy resources of the region. The US has been using Turkey as a proxy to carry out this operation, for reasons that Sibel explained:
Given the history, and the distrust of the West, the US realized that it couldn't get direct control, and therefore would need to use a proxy to gain control quickly and effectively. Turkey was the perfect proxy; a NATO ally and a puppet regime. Turkey shares the same heritage/race as the entire population of Central Asia, the same language (Turkic), the same religion (Sunni Islam), and of course, the strategic location and proximity.

This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam.

This is why I have been saying repeatedly that these illegal covert operations by the Turks and certain US persons dates back to 1996, and involves terrorist activities, narcotics, weapons smuggling and money laundering, converging around the same operations and involving the same actors.

And I want to emphasize that this is "illegal" because most, if not all, of the funding for these operations is not congressionally approved funding, but it comes from illegal activities.

And one last thing, take a look at the people in the State Secrets Privilege Gallery on my website and you will see how these individuals can be traced to the following; Turkey, Central Asia, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia - and the activities involving these countries.
As part of this operation, Turkish organizations such as the Gulen 'movement,' a $25 billion economic powerhouse, reportedlyfinanced by the CIA, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, has been establishing madrassas and mosques across Central Asia - including Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan - for the past decade.

The construction and operation of these madrassas and mosques appear to serve a number of purposes:
1. Indoctrination and radicalization of students
2. Providing a front for CIA and State Department-sanctioned 'teachers' to operate with the protection of Diplomatic passports.
3. Laundering money for a variety of purposes.

In Azerbaijan, for example, there were only 20 mosques in the late 1980s. By 2002, there were 150 foreign built mosques in the country. In 2002, 80% of "religious structures" in Azerbaijan were unregistered, resulting in an effortby the Azeri government "to bring all religious organizations in the country under its control." In an interview, Rafiq Aliyev, head of the Azerbaijani State Committee for Work with Religious Structures said:
"You know, we are trying to ensure their transparency. People who avoid this probably have to conceal something, so they do not want to be transparent. They are reluctant to register their religious structures - medreses or religious communities.
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We will find out what religious organizations really serve religion and what religious
organizations use religion as a cover. So, their activities will be seriously reconsidered."
Later in the interview, Aliyev noted that much of the money reported to be for mosque building was apparently used for other, undetermined, purposes:
"We are worried about the difference between the money brought into the country and the cost of building those mosques. I mean, a big sum is brought into the country, but only a part of it, is spent on building mosques. We have not succeeded yet in finding where the rest of the money goes.

I will give you one example, I think it will suffice. A total of 385,000 dollars were spent on the Qaracuxur mosque in the Razin settlement . So, the Turkish religious committee sent to Azerbaijan 385,000 dollars. But if we calculate the cost of the Qaracuxur mosque, it does not exceed 50,000 dollars.

In fact, up to 150 mosques have been built in Azerbaijan by foreign countries. As I have said, between 200,000 and 600,000 dollars were spent on building each of them. But our reports show that the majority of those mosques do not have technical documents, they have not carried out any stocktaking. What company or who built them, what was paid to the state or was anything paid at all - we are now collecting this information, we already have enough information. In time, and we will make it public."
If each of the 150 mosques is 'over-budgeted' by $300,000, then there is $45 Million of unaccounted foreign funds sloshing around Azerbaijan. To what end?

The Gulen movement itself has"has a university, eleven high schools, one primary school and nine education facilities training university applicants" in Azerbaijan, while the Turkish government itself is "sponsoring Islamic educational projects" featuring "a specifically Turkish form of Islam in this Shi‘a majority country."

We see the same pattern of mosque building in Kazakhstan. Wikipedia statesthat:
"Construction of mosques and religious schools accelerated in the 1990s, with financial help from Turkey, Egypt, and, primarily, Saudi Arabia."
And we see more of the same in Turkmenistan:
"Since 1990... More religious institutions, including religious schools and mosques, have appeared, many with the support of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Turkey."


Shady Dealings
The same people who were involved in supporting and facilitating the use of Islamic forces in Afghanistan, the Balkans and Chechnya are also involved in the Central Asian operation, including giving support, public and otherwise, to the Gulen movement. Many of them appear in Sibel Edmonds State Secrets Privilege gallery. Sibel has said repeatedly that one of Gulen's main companies, media conglomerate Ihlas Holdings is 'semi-legitimate' and 'alleged shady.'

This whole affair was recently exposed as a result of Gulen applying for a Green Card in the US courts. In a recent hearing, the prosecutors cited documents which argued that Gulen's operation was a CIA front, however earlier hearings also provide some very interesting information. A May 2007 filing by Gulen, published yesterday by Rasti, indicates that the FBI to date has not produced the results of a requisite criminal background check on Gulen. The document states:
44. Upon information and belief, the FBI has failed to issue to USCIS the results of criminal background checks and/or name checks relating to the Plaintiffs in connection with the Plaintiff’s Applications and Petition.
Given the latest revelations about CIA involvement in Gulen's affairs, it is readily apparent why the FBI wants to keep the details of its "Gulen file" secret. The details of Gulen's finances have not been made public, the details of his activities working for the US and the puppet states have not been made public, and the activities of the other companies who are financing Gulen are also wrapped in mystery.

Meanwhile, the State Secrets Privilege is still in place in the Sibel Edmonds affair, the Islamization of Central Asia, following the same model as the mujahideen in Afghanistan and the use of Islamist militants in Kosovo/Albania, using madrassas and mosques, along with narcotics and associated criminal activities continues to this day despite the big lesson of 911.

And yet the US corporate media continues its long-term blackout on the entire region - enabling the continuance of the illegal operations of our covert foreign policy and pipeline politics.

Wet Dream
Hereis what Colin Powell told the House International Relations Committee in 2002 about the neocons wet-dream in Central Asia:
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before."


Uppdate: you can diggit here http://digg.com/world_news/Sibel_Edmonds_Case_The_Central_Asia_Islamization_Cocktail
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:38 AM
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1. K & R
Excellent work; well-researched, factual- Just the usual Lukery work.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:12 AM
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5. research
my research team deserves a medal... or a team of medals. or something.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:14 AM
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6. Would they like them made out of gold or silver?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:22 AM
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10. only the best n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:51 AM
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2. Excellent work.
Quite a web involved in pipeline politics, CIA, Central Asia, Turkey and interests.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:58 AM
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3. mizgin is doing great work on this story
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:04 AM
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4. Thanks
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:16 AM
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7. Thanks Luke for keeping on this! And Brent Wilkes looks to have some "secret bail" deal going too!
Check out this news that was just released!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3621066&mesg_id=3621066

So sounds like someone's trying to quietly keep Wilkes quiet about his money laundering activities. It seems like there's been a big news blackout about him, Kontogiannis, Dusty Foggo, etc. and all of these folks in cases that likely overlap the money laundering that Sibel Edmonds has been trying to bring to light!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:19 AM
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9. Networks take care of the parts to save the whole.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:22 AM
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11. They certainly do
We see the same people over & over & over again: BCI, Iran Contra, PNAC, Central Asia...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:26 AM
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12. Yes and it's amazing how it has held up all this time.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:37 AM
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16. sweet!
thanks CP
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:16 AM
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8. k&r
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:31 AM
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13. Turkistan
Uyghur militants from Xinjiang, China are increasingly using Afghanistan as a sanctuary, a supply base for training and weapons, and a means to fund their movement back home through the lucrative opium trade. Heroin addiction is now a major social problem in Xinjiang. Although the Taliban are not directly recruiting Uyghurs into their forces, Uyghur militants have enlisted with and get support from the foreign Islamic units fighting for the Taliban. These units include the 800 man Arab brigade led by Osama Bin Laden, units of Pakistani student militants, and the 2,000 man force of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan led by Juma Namangani now based in northern Afghanistan.
...
http://iicas.org/...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:33 AM
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14. Thanks.
Quite interesting.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:34 AM
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15. Any Time...
...and thank you:-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:44 AM
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18. gallery
the 'president' of turkistan/Uyghur/Xinjian is in sibel's gallery
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-names-names-in-pictures.html
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:31 PM
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33. How are these officials
connected with US intel (how do they influence the conduct of US intel agencies)? The associations mentioned in the OP relate to terrorist networks and what immediately comes to mind is 9/11. Is this "deep state" network tangentially linked to 9/11? Someone evidently ordered Alec Station to withhold intel before and after the Cole attack. Who did it? Why did they do it? Why did CIA and FBI officials go along with such orders?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:41 AM
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17. Also interesting that Ahmet Çalik's company is now investing in Kosovo
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 10:44 AM by calipendence
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/finance/9313228.asp?gid=244&sz=67451

Another tale of Turkish government favoritism towards Ahmet Çalik's businesses, this time in the energy sector, and I think some of this is related to a new pipeline being discussed with Kazakhstan (some joint venture between Çalik Enerji and Italy's ENI)

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=145317&bolum=103

Here's a good article that really discusses how the investment capital is being shifted in Turkey and how it is reflected in the warring political parties in Turkey now between Ankara and Istanbul.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=145445&bolum=105

Might be something worth looking into...

An interesting coincidence is that one of the police officers killed in the attack of the American consulate in Istanbul last week's name was "Nedim Çalik". Probably no relation, but it would be interesting to see if there were...

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=109570

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Nedim Çalik was on duty in the police housing in front of the consulate gate. Born in the Black Sea province of Rize, Çalik was 25 and had worked as a police officer for two years. Çalik lost his father two years ago and had five other siblings.


Again, probably coincidence, but couldn't avoid mentioning it in case it were more than that.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:48 AM
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19. Also...
...BCCI; Tansu Ciller's husband, Ozer Ciller, happened to be Tamraz' partner in BCCI deal...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:39 PM
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27. I'm going to need a new score card.
I'm running out of room.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:59 AM
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20. from Mizgin at dkos
"Listen, you mention the Chechen business. Turkey has been a revolving door as far as Chechen fighters go. There were a couple of articles by CNNItalia a few years ago that discuss the Chechnya-Turkey connection. You can see them here (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/russia/story/chechnya/mujahedeen.speaks/) and here (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/russia/story/chechnya/istanbul.connection/).


These people are involved with the Gray Wolves who, in turn, were part of the CIA's "stay behind" program in Turkey, aka Gladio. And then this gets into the whole Susurluk thing (November 1996) which occured while Marc Grossman was US ambassador. That was also when Dickerson was at the embassy in Ankara, too. Coincidentally, or not, this was during the period that Tansu Ciller was consolidating the heroin industry for the Turkish state. Her big thing was how much money Turkey had lost because of the Gulf War and she was always fishing around for more money from the US. She also authorized the distribution of weapons from TSK garrisons in The Southeast in order to arm Turkish Hezbollah. She also called Abdullah Catli a hero.

Ax! I could go on and on and on.

I have no doubt that Gulen's gang had some business in Chechnya as well and that was probably the real reason that the Russians shut them down."
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:04 AM
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21. K&R
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:43 AM
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22. kick
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:46 AM
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23. K & R! Bookmarking.
:kick:
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:57 AM
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24. How do these schemes interface with 9/11?
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 12:01 PM by noise
For example, why would covert destabilization operations in Central Asia be jeopardized if US intelligence arrested al Qaeda operatives before 9/11? It sure seems like 9/11 was a domestic component of someone's plan as opposed to a consequence of shady covert overseas operations.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:47 PM
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25. K&R, I always viewed 9/11 as a Saudi compromise...

certain Saudis could exert the necessary influence to allow 9/11 to happen, and it positioned them closer to the militants so that the direct confrontation would then be with the US, following the anticipated public reaction to the event. Of course it achieved other war goals as well: the 'catalyzing event' for PNAC, military bases moved out of SA and into Iraq, access to Iraqi oil, pipeline in Afghanistan, etc.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:04 PM
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28. It sure worked out that way.
I've often wondered why some were concerned about Atta and others coming here and others weren't at all (seems to me counterintelligence was alarmed and others in intelligence weren't).
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:28 PM
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35. What are we dealing with?
Edited on Wed Jul-16-08 12:30 PM by noise
Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke is told in private by Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, “We got the passenger manifests from the airlines. We recognize some names, Dick. They’re al-Qaeda.” Clarke replies, “How the f_ck did they get on board then?” He is told, “Hey, don’t shoot the messenger, friend. CIA forgot to tell us about them.”

Link


In her telling, a major incentive for Mr. Cheney’s descent into the dark side was to cover up for the Bush White House’s failure to heed the Qaeda threat in 2001. Jack Cloonan, a special agent for the F.B.I.’s Osama bin Laden unit until 2002, told Ms. Mayer that Sept. 11 was “all preventable.” By March 2000, according to the C.I.A.’s inspector general, “50 or 60 individuals” in the agency knew that two Al Qaeda suspects — soon to be hijackers — were in America. But there was no urgency at the top. Thomas Pickard, the acting F.B.I. director in the summer of 2001, told Ms. Mayer that when he expressed his fears about the Qaeda threat to Mr. Ashcroft, the attorney general snapped, “I don’t want to hear about that anymore!”

Link


Watson was in charge of the CT Division at the time. Rolince headed the ITOS and under him were Frasca at the RFU and Middleton at the UBLU. Evidently Watson would have us believe he had nothing to do with obstructed FBI investigations.

Does some "deep state" network give the FBI and CIA their marching orders?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 02:47 PM
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37. Exactly, and they likely have control of Congress as well...

which is why telecom immunity is passed.

One of the most thorough explanations for the Deep State is provided by Peter Dale Scott, who I have seen interviewed about this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Road-11-Wealth-Empire-America/dp/0520237730/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216237286&sr=8-1

Video here - 2 Governments: The Public and the Deep

http://www.brasschecktv.com:80/page/332.html
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 10:26 PM
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38. I read Scott's book
I thought it was excellent. The confusion is in relation to how the deep state network(s) interact with US government officials. We don't have to generalize. We have al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar who basically got a free pass from US intel. How does that work? Are the intel agents pissed? Do they trust their superiors? Are they afraid of retaliation (being fired or worse)? What is the dynamic involved?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:33 PM
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26. Fantastic research! I was not aware of the ACPC.
From your OP:

US support for the Chechens has been well documented. In a September 2004 articlein the Guardian, subtitled "The Washington neocons' commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own," a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC) is put under the spotlight. It's members include Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, James Woolsey, Stephen Solarz and Morton Abramowitz.

The Guardian notes:

"The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic. It compares the Chechen crisis to those other fashionable "Muslim" causes, Bosnia and Kosovo - implying that only international intervention in the Caucasus can stabilise the situation there. In August, the ACPC welcomed the award of political asylum in the US, and a US-government funded grant, to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the opposition Chechen government, and a man Moscow describes as a terrorist. Coming from both political parties, the ACPC members represent the backbone of the US foreign policy establishment, and their views are indeed those of the US administration.
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Allegations are even being made in Russia that the west itself is somehow behind the Chechen rebellion, and that the purpose of such support is to weaken Russia, and to drive her out of the Caucasus. "


Nice murderer's row there. Basically it's just a Chechen wing of the PNAC.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:12 PM
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32. Right On!
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:25 PM
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29. Well done
Thanks Lukery for another excellent posting. But there's surprisingly little activity here. It's a very serious issue & you've put the pieces together well. Our government is dealing with the most despicable people imaginable to further policies and ambitions that are totally contrary to the security & well being of our country. Let's all try to get this piece distributed as far and wide as possible.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:27 PM
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30. Yes, distribution is key.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:35 PM
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31. Doesn't Tom Delay have his martini soaked loafers somehow involved with all of this?
I remember reading ages ago over at bradblog that Delay met members of the Taliban in Texas right before 9/11, but can't find the link.

I also recall reading about an Abramoff/SunCruz connection, as well as Hastert's Turkish bribes.

I'm curious as to how all these players fall in line. Were some of them serious players, or merely agents laundering money?
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 05:32 AM
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34. Sibel must be a de facto political prisoner. All eyes on her, 24/7, because
because she's at the center of a shitstorm of corruption and treason that is so vast in its scope, across nations and continents and throughout both the Democratic and Republican parties, that her information (hinted at in Luke's post here today) appears so wide and deep and sensitive as to either be able to start -- or stop -- WW3.

In the future, when the U.S. is a smoking crater no-man's-land contamination zone, responsible humans will look at how America had the chance, and failed to bear witness with Sibel, and for Sibel. Responsible humans will conclude that America deserved what it got.
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 02:15 PM
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36. K'n' R
Every time you do this, lukery, I have to stretch my head a little bit more just to get around it all.
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