Second (Citizens) Arrest Attempt On Karl Rove In Iowa Leads To 4 Arrests

[tekisui]

Four Iowans were arrested today while attempting to make a Citizens' Arrest of Karl Rove in Des Moines, Iowa. Citing Iowa Code provisions for making Citizen's Arrests as well as citing Federal Statute violations they claimed Rove had violated, the four were stopped at the gate of the Wakonda Country Club in Des Moines where Rove was scheduled to speak at a Republican Fundraiser.

The four arrested were retired Methodist minister and Peace and Justice Advocate, Rev. Chet Guinn, 80, as well as three Des Moines Catholic Workers, Edward Bloomer, 61, Kirk Brown, 25, and Mona Shaw, 57. All four were cited for trespassing and released.

The four maintained that they were acting within the guidelines of Iowa Code that obligate private citizens to make such an arrest if they believe a felony has been committed and turn Rove over to police officials to bring Rove before a judge for formal indictment. By law, a federal judge should consider the charges and determine if an indictment should be made.

Brown and Shaw made a similar attempt last March when Rove spoke at the University of Iowa, Iowa City. Brown and Shaw were arrested and released without charges following that attempt. Deaths in the Middle East since the March attempt number in the thousands including, 151 more US troops have been killed in Iraq, and 284 killed in Afghanistan as well as far more citizens of those two nations.

Rove remains unindicted and recently refused to cooperate with a Congressional subpoena in the Valerie Plame leak investigation. Despite mounting evidence of Rove's wrongdoing concerning leading the U.S. to war as well as other actions, Congress and the U.S. judicial system remain reluctant to bring charges against either Rove or the Bush administration. Recent evidence includes Articles of Impeachment that will again be presented by Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich tomorrow. Vincent Bugliosi's new book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder" carefully lays out a case against Bush and his administration for war crimes and felony murder. Bugliosi was prosecutor for the Charles Manson Family murders and author of the book "Helter Skelter," which dealt with that crime.

link: http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=132059

[mdmc]

1. blessed be

[roguevalley]

8. indeed. blessed be to real American patriots.

[AzDar]

2. K & R ...

:kick:

[EFerrari]

3. K&R

[tekisui]

4. He should face citizens arrest in every city he visits.

Since the COngress won't act, We, the People, should!

[Name removed]

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[EV_Ares]

78. He was in Kansas City friday. How is he able to be involved in fund raisers,

does anyone know?

[Mnemosyne]

5. Anyone know that pig's schedule? We could keep him contained if

we organized citizen's arrest groups for all of these war criminal treasonous bastards.

Go Iowa citizens!!!

[EV_Ares]

79. As told the other poster, he was in Kansas City friday. What is he doing and if he is raising money

for the republicans or McCain, how is he or what is his involvement with all this. I thought as a Fox employee, he couldn't be involved in fund raising. Does anyone know?

[ixion]

7. Obstruction of Justice by the Iowa State Police

IMO.

[BeHereNow]

27. That's EXACTLY what I pointed out on the LBN thread about this story.

The cops failed to uphold the law and actually obstructed justice.

BHN

[RobertDevereaux]

9. True American heroes! n/t

[Hydra]

10. Ironic that we don't even have the fiction of legal remedy against these people

I wonder how long it will be until most people get it?

[The River]

11. Next Time

Send 400 citizens to make the arrest.
If thats not enough, send 4000.

[DU9598]

14. Is that a challenge?

This is amazing, I cannot wait to see the 6pm news.

[gorfle]

59. with guns. n/t

[Gregorian]

12. Oh this is so good!

I've rfecently ben posting sad comments. And rightly so. (excuee my typing, I can/'t see. I jujt got back from th e opthamologists and everything is fuzzy and bright). Any country that let a sick bastard like Bush The Sequel in for a seocnd term desreves what it gets. However, it's beginning to look like Americans have more going for them than I acknowledged.

Bravo great patrtiots!

[proud patriot]

13. Thank You Patriots

:)

[katty]

15. thank you people! someone has to do it!

[spanone]

16. k&r

[bvar22]

17. I would donate $100...

...to a fund that would put an International Bounty on the heads of the main War Criminals of the Bush Administration. The bounty would be awarded to the first citizen of ANY country to successfully arrest any of the Bush War Criminals.

If advertized Internationally, this fund would quickly grow to $MILLIONS$.
That would be enough to influence a state, county, or even a small country.

[cliffordu]

40. I am SOOOO there. If Congress won't do thier jobs, we should. Jefferson said we should

[awoke_in_2003]

53. "Jefferson said we should"

Yep, and he stated it quite eloquently:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

[bperci108]

57. I don't know about DU'er cliffordu, but I was thinking more along the lines of:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

-- Thomas Jefferson



:evilgrin:

[biermeister]

64. kick!

[cliffordu]

68. Yeah, that's the other part -

But in this day of extraordinary rendition, which as it turns out, isn't so extraordinary after all,

and in this day of the elected cowards faking impeachment hearings,

and in a time the vast majority of people in this country believe that unbridled consumption is what the Founders meant when they said "Freedom"

You have a country where these statements by Jefferson are treated as a crime against the fatherland....Uh....Homeland.

And to utter them in public will make us all terrorists.

[bperci108]

80. No wonder that "watch list" has millions of names on it...

cliffordu: "...And to utter them in public will make us all terrorists."

So be it.


To quote Patrick Henry:

"...It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

See you on the ramparts.

:patriot:

[cliffordu]

85. Yep. I'll be there.

:patriot:

[cliffordu]

65. Yep. Exactly. The deadbeats and sycophants in congress can be tossed into the street

as far as I'm concerned.


I believe to not impeach at this point is treason.

[Kaleko]

49. That fund would get a fat donation from me.

Should be organized by a grass/netroots coalition under the auspices of Howard Dean, Al Gore et al.

Awesome idea.

[jwirr]

71. I would love to see this done but these asses are RICH combined

they can most likely buy themselves out of anything.

[Mad_Dem_X]

18. They are true patriots!

God bless 'em.

[lynettebro440]

19. You gotta love my city

we started Obama's on his winning the primary and we try to arrest the asshole. Makes me smile all over. Way to go Des Moines. We rock:)

[Inspired]

31. Yes, we do rock here in Des Moines!

[pleah]

20. K&R!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[MadrasT]

21. That is brilliant

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: <--- for the 4 brave citizens who made the attempt

Oh, the glory... if only there could be a whole herd of citizens out to arrest the heinous beast where ever and whenever he dares to show his face in public.

Oh, it would be GLORIOUS! :bounce: GLORIOUS, I say!! :bounce:

[anonymous171]

22. DU needs to mobilize a national effort to arrest this man.

[BeHereNow]

28. Not a bad idea- where ever he goes, we are there to arrest him.

Now, if we could just get the cops nation wide to
uphold the law.

BHN

[kas125]

29. How to Make a Citizen's Arrest of a War Criminal --

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/citizenarrest

Very interesting reading...

[lonestarnot]

23. Posse is on it if he comes here!

[orleans]

24. how fucked up is our dem congress when citizens have to try and arrest this bastard?

where the FUCK is anybody? oh, conyers...what the fuck are you doing tonight???

[my2sense]

25. K & R

[BeHereNow]

26. Bugliosi ROCKED on C-Span today.

I think my favorite moment was when he smacked down
Durbin over whether or not his material /evidence was classified or not.
GO VB!!!!!!!!

BHN

[MadrasT]

34. Vince ROCKED!

:kick: kick while I'm at it...

[Inspired]

30. I know these folks who were arrested, They are mighty fine progressive Democrats.

[Inspired]

32. I thought it smelled funny on the south side of Des Moines today.

[lynettebro440]

70. I smelled it to

smelled like an old manure plant.

[earth mom]

33. I think I love them!

:yourock:

[Rex]

35. Ha ha ha ha!

No one escapes the Spanish Inquisition!!!

EDIT - Big fucking smile!

[windbreeze]

36. Isn't there a provision in our Constitution

that states it is up to the people to replace those in gov't who are no longer working in the best interest of the people...???
These people are true patriots, who recognize their duty...many thanks to them...wb

[Usrename]

42. I'm pretty sure what you are talking about is in the Declaration of Independence.

In any event, I wonder if it's proper to raise a bounty on some of these guys and hire a bounty hunter.

[windbreeze]

47. Thank you....you are correct...

here is the pertinent part...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

People really need to go read this document in it's entirety and become familiar with it...some of the grievances against the King of England, that caused the colonies to break away....sound quite familiar..and even pertinent to what's going on today...

As for the question...hmmmmm...interesting proposal...wb

[hobbit709]

54. One of the most subversive documents ever written

and I agree with it 100%.
I think that the four who were arrested should all demand a jury trial.

[billyoc]

37. I'm sure it's just an isolated incident, probably never happen again.

I mean, it's not like 200 pissed off Vets are going to rush the place, you know? :hi:

[jeff30997]

38. Excellent !

A taste of things to come.That scumbag will have to leave the U.S and go to a country that would accept him.

And he's not alone.Condi is deep in it too:

"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visits New Zealand today, where a group of students who oppose the Iraq War have offered a $3,700 reward to anyone who makes a citizen's arrest of her."

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/condoleezza_rice_citizens_arre.html

Hehehe.

[2008]

39. k&r

[jazzjunkysue]

41. Everyone send this to your congressperson: www.congress.gov

Feels good. I just sent it to Shays and Pelosi.

[ClayZ]

43. K and R

[smalll]

44. Wakonda Country Club! LOL -- Wonder if Carl

bumped up against any of those arrogant playboys standing around with their hot girlfriends, smoking cigarettes and making nasty comments about everyone else.

[uppityperson]

45. Very cool. Good for them to try this.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

46. My heroes!

:bounce:

[benapgar]

48. Deaths in the Middle East...

What is that sentence doing in there? Is Iowa hard up for journalists or something?

[Political Heretic]

50. ... wrong thread.

[barbtries]

51. bushworld, opposite world

the good guys go to jail and the bad guys get television contracts. something is rotten in the united states of america.
i applaud their courage - more and more the truth comes out. the numbers will grow and we'll get our country back someday. i hope.

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[happygoluckytoyou]

55. one day that SOB will earn the nickname Rusty Trumbone

[BreweryYardRat]

56. Good for them! n/t

[cobalt1999]

58. What is significant is that these citizens weren't a couple of college kids.

"The four arrested were retired Methodist minister and Peace and Justice Advocate, Rev. Chet Guinn, 80, as well as three Des Moines Catholic Workers, Edward Bloomer, 61, Kirk Brown, 25, and Mona Shaw, 57."


Sound like older responsible members of the community. That carries more weight in the publics mind than a couple of college kids.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

60. they could try another location

not a country club!

[rucognizant]

61. Ii WANT TO POINT OUT!

This is an important DOT to connect!
Based on the rejection of me, for an AP ipsos poll via random call, the day before supertuesday: BECAUSE I WAS OVER 65 years old,
3 of these 4 PATRIOTS, opinion was REJECTED by AP ipsos, ALL 3 over 65!
We need to SPREAD THE WORD, that the polls are MANIPULATED. NOT TRULY REPRESENTATIVE!
The Oldest BOOMER IS ONLY 62 years old! They ( polls) are eliminating the opinion of, the entire population who grew up DURING WWII with rationing, the satisfaction of "winning" a GOOD war, against evil forces...............that was MUCH MORE LIBERAL than todays cross section,
in a country that pulled TOGETHER,and even with the pain and tragic loss of a war, had the dignity, liesure time, and sufficiency for EVERYBODY, to behave like courteous, enlightened, civil human beings!
We were tragically unaware of the EVIL ONES lurking, those who tried to eliminate Pres. FDR, and who succeeded in eliminating JFK!

Apply what we know today to that time.................
My formative first 6 years were short on sugar, & sweets, it being rationed during the war. I developed a taste for salty/ malty ( pretzels)
snacks. At the end of the war.......the entire country indulged in a sugar rush, lining the pockets of Uncle Herbie Walker, who owned a sugar plantation in Cuba! Until Castro seized it and nationalized it! OF course we HATE CASTRO! It's not so much that he's a communist, as. ..We're still trying to get even! Given the Bush family's involvement in Government, GHWB, 1976 CIA, 1980-88 VP, 1989-92 President, 2001-08 W pRes.
this had=s frormed our Foreign Policy towards CUba.
Meanwhile if you've ever had a kid who ate too much candy.......you are familiar with the sugar rush syndrome!
The parents of the late 40's were just so damned glad to be alive, to have won the war, were far more indulgent of their kids than many other times in history........They also had the benefit of GI housing and education bills, that gave them an edge and a little more to pass on to the kids. Whereas OUR Fathers had weathered the depression, paid for their own houses and college educations if they had one.
I have a theory that the Boomers were mass traumatized by the assignation of JFK. They were in adolescence......critical years, just making the connection with society at large beyond their families; as opposed to me an adult better able to process tragedy, or my kids who were too young to be impacted as strongly, ( their immediate world was still intact)
This combined with the futile attempt at social change, against the evil ones, I believe is responsible for the wholesale defection to self
greed & materialism.
PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED BY MY THEORY IF IT DOESN'T FIT YOU!thank God not everybody in a demigraphic slice FITS THE PROFILE!

[scarletwoman]

73. Great post! I want you to know that I really appreciate what you wrote.

I was born in 1949 to parents who were children during the Depression. Your theory makes complete sense to me.

sw

[fascisthunter]

62. Let this Be a Warning to Bush Officials: You are on a Wanted List in the US

as well as around the World. You have no where to hide.... just a matter of time.

Have a bad day.

[miles 2 go]

63. What balls!

Good on them.

[Soul Creature Media]

66. Batman

We need a dark night like this bad ass minister to clean up the grime in America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-6yf2iVaWo

[Frisbee]

67. Why the Hell hasn't...

Congress sent the Sargent at Arms after this contemptuous POS yet? Why do average citizens have to do the job Congress should be doing? Mrs. Pelosi? Mr. Conyers? Anyone?....

[Canuckistanian]

69. What's with this arresting then releasing?

If cops detain somebody, they'd better make sure the offense is serious enough to make the charges stick.

Otherwise, it's a form of harassment and intimidation.

[rhett o rick]

76. You answered your own question. "For the purpose of harassment and intimation." nm

[Canuckistanian]

77. So, why doesn't anyone call them on it?

A lot of protesters are willing to go to jail for their actions.

Make the police ADMIT it's for intimidation.

[rhett o rick]

86. How do you ever get them to admit something like that? nm

[Pachamama]

72. Bugliosi for CA State Attorney General.....

When Jerry Brown decides to run for Governor again or retire after this term, I think Bugliosi should run and be the first of many Attorney Generals in this Nation to charge George W. Bush with murder when he is no longer POTUS.... :bounce:

[Plucketeer]

74. Whoa!

Just tell me where to send a contri to the bounty fund! :grr:

[redqueen]

75. "mounting evidence of Rove's wrongdoing concerning leading the U.S. to war ..."

:wow:

*thud*

[northernlights]

81. Texans, you're on in Sept.

He's scheduled to speak in San Antonio at the Texas Realtor's Convention sometime in September.

Anyone who sees a press announcement that he's scheduled to speak somewhere, post it so locals can try to arrest him!!!!! Sooner or later somebody is bound to succeed.

:patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot:

[Cleita]

82. Too bad that we live in a dictatorship that the honest citizens are arrested not

the criminals.

[nc4bo]

83. Patriots indeed!! We're waking up!! God Bless America!!!

:kick:

[Overseas]

84. Glad to hear it ! K&R

[Joanne98]

87. Can u believe this thread has 18,000 views.

Must be a record.