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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:01 PM
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Mukasey Doctrine: It is the system that failed; the perpetrators were just following orders.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 06:05 PM by kpete
Mukasey’s accountability doctrine: “It is the system that failed; the perpetrators were just following orders.”

Today he addressed the annual convention of the American Bar Association, and expanded upon what may be known to future generations as the “Mukasey Doctrine.” This doctrine holds that political appointees in the Justice Department who breach the public trust by using their positions for partisan political purposes face no punishment for their crimes. In the Mukasey view, this is all simple political gamesmanship—“boys will be boys”—and sufficient accountability is provided by exposing their games to the public limelight.
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/hbc-90003387

here’s what Mukasey has to say:
"Not every wrong, or even every violation of the law, is a crime."
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/mukasey-will-not-prosecute-in-doj-hiring-scandal-2008-08-12.html

The conduct described in those reports is disturbing. The mission of the Justice Department is the evenhanded application of the Constitution and the laws enacted under it. That mission has to start with the evenhanded application of the laws within our own Department. Some people at the Department deviated from that strict standard, and the institution failed to stop them.

I want to stress that last point because there is no denying it: the system failed. The active wrong-doing detailed in the two joint reports was not systemic in that only a few people were directly implicated in it. But the failure was systemic in that the system–the institution–failed to check the behavior of those who did wrong. There was a failure of supervision by senior officials in the Department. And there was a failure on the part of some employees to cry foul when they were aware, or should have been aware, of problems.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/2008/ag-speech-0808121.html

"The conduct, then, was in the defendants' scope of employment regardless of whether it was unlawful or contrary to the national security of the United States," - Appeals Court Chief Judge David Sentelle wrote in the opinion.

The defense that didn't work for the Nazis
("only following orders")
worked for the Bush Administration.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:02 PM
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1. Somebody needs to shut that worthless piece of shit up before he gasses 12 million people.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:03 PM
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2. Didn't we (by we I mean HUMANITY, btw) clear that bullshit idea up at Nuremberg?
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:20 PM
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3. Hope Chuck Schumer's feeling mighty proud
right about now.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:42 AM
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7. Did Shumer also vote to confirm Judge Sentelle?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:24 PM
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4. But, Mukasey ... your boss threw you under the bus ...
Bush said: "No longer will anyone be able to hide behind 'I was just following orders.'"

Of course, when Bush said that, he was saying it about the people who were torturing prisoners in Gitmo and Iraq ...
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:25 PM
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5. And it would be wrong to fix the system now
"Mr. Mukasey also said it would be unfair, and possibly illegal, for the department to go back and reassign or dismiss those lawyers and other employees who were hired in part because they were seen as trusted conservatives. “Two wrongs do not make a right,” he said.

In other words, the DOJ should remain a partisan tool.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:14 PM
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6. not every violation of law is a crime?? Isn't that the definition of selective prosecution?
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