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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:50 PM
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How do Bikinis enhance Volleyball players performance?
I'm trying to figure out why Women wear skimpy bikinis playing Volleyball at the Olympics? Does anyone know what purpose this serves? Besides increasing male viewer ship like myself?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:51 PM
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1. That is it..They merely enhance the experience for male viewers...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:50 AM
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152. Which leads to higher viewership, which leads to greater ad revenues, which leads to higher salaries
Which means those poor dears can finally go out and buy a sandwich.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:52 PM
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2. All I know is they do wonders for mine (performance, that is).
Textile Viagra.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:52 PM
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3. They don't, of course
I read that someone (the Olympic committee? Their sponsors?) requires them to. I'd love to see one of them rebel. Show up in... shorts! Heaven forbid!
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:52 PM
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4. More aerodynamic and less restrictive.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:54 PM
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8. Doesn't look like the male players agree
or they don't see the benefit.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:56 PM
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13. Banana colored speedos for everyone! n/t
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:58 PM
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16. lol- aerodynamic? you jest i hope?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:53 PM
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5. Sometimes life is better off not questioning the good things in it
;)
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:53 PM
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6. I don't know - but indoor volleyball players wear tight short shorts too, right?
Perhaps less clothing to get soaked with sweat? :shrug:

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:53 PM
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7. By getting guys to watch, which generates the money to keep the "sport" in existence.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:25 PM
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22. You should try two-person beach volleyball sometime. It's a sport.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:30 PM
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25. (shrug) Fine - remove the scare-quotes. It doesn't materially alter my point.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:55 PM
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9. Over the past ten years, I've seen professional female athletes gravitate towards skimpier uniforms
On the track, I have seen traditional jogging shorts give way to form-fitting jogging briefs in many cases. It's not just beach volleyball.

Ironically, the only female athletes I know of who are covering more skin instead of revealing it are swimmers, although this is partially due to space-age technology like the material used in those Speedo Lazer suits the US women's swim team is wearing.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:55 PM
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10. I was hoping for tight shorts and bare chests on the guys
Sadly no. No equal time for us straight women & gay guys. This is just not fair.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:02 PM
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18. I could go for that. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:56 PM
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11. As a former bikini wearer,
two piece swim suits like bikinis actually move with your body and stay on better than one piece suits that can either pull up or pull down when you move in different directions. So I think in volleyball it would be a better choice considering all the stretching, jumping and bending that goes on. Otherwise I think there would be a lot of popping out of one piece suits, if you get my drift.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:36 PM
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39. It is a sport born on the California beaches. What they wear reflects the
history and attitude of the sport. It looks weird, but the athleticism is real.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:06 PM
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40. I know.
The daughter of a family friend was involved in it. She was on the one of the women's professional teams back before she got married and knows many of the present Olympic ladies.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:47 PM
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42. I see it as a sport that doesn't really take itself serious, like skateboarding.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:11 AM
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47. Uhm. Is there a skateboarding competition in the Olympics?
I don't watch it and I'm not keeping track so I'm asking.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:14 AM
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48. Not yet, but there is snow boarding and mountain biking.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 04:54 AM
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99. That entire post was exciting n/t
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:31 AM
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114. LOL nt
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:31 AM
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104. Fewer "equipment failures," in other words.
And we know how disrupting they can be to half-time shows, not to mention the national psyche.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:56 PM
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12. I don't mean to be disrespectful but obvious is obvious.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 08:57 PM by Lint Head
Most of the players do not have much to cover up top side. I guess it would increase viewers if all if the female volley ball players had large ones upstairs.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:59 AM
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107. Probably true
I'm not interested in volleyball, but I got stuck watching it a time or two. What struck me, when I could say awake, was the athletic build of the women. To me, they just about perfect in build, but I'm a bit of a gym rat so I very much admire shape and muscularity. It never occurred to me that the bikini wearing was for anything but the ease of movement. The outfits looked stretchy and comfortable.

Athletes with low body fat tend to have smaller breasts since breasts are fat, but the larger breasted ones are no doubt "binded" with a snug fitting top.

It's very sad and messed up that breast size, or even looks would be an issue in the popularity of woman's sports, but I can't say that you're wrong.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:57 PM
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14. if they didn't wear the bikini, they'd get sand in their hoo-ha's...
duh.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:59 PM
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17. But what's the diff.....never mind. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:53 AM
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153. Which could lead to yet a different olympic sport, "Freestyle hoo-ha desanding"
I think I could medal in that.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:58 PM
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15. I demand to see Speedos! nt
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:27 AM
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76. Beware what you wish for...
you may just get it :evilgrin:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:05 PM
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19. It would distract the officials if they didn't wear something. nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:13 PM
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20. I was wondering that myself
I just saw the men's volleyball teams - long shirts, baggy pants.... I guess it's more expensive for the men to do the bikini wax.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:24 PM
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21. They have been dressing like that since the beginning
of the sport, in skimpy bathing suits.

As fashion has changed, the suits have gotten skimpier..

The first iterations of the pro sport were little more than excuses to get drunk at the beach.

There are big money prizes now and beach volleyball players are some of the best athletes around.

NO ONE could force Kerri Walsh or Misty May to wear anything they don't want to....

They have won something like 115 competitions in a row......

And, they make jocks appealing.

Really appealing
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:26 PM
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23. This is as much about real sports as professional wrestling,
only with considerably skimpier costumes!
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:13 PM
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145. Vollyball is not fake and even with a full team
it takes athletic ability. How is beach vollyball any less of a sport than say tennis?
What are your criteria for a "real sport"?
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:47 AM
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151. It's more about the "costume" than the sport!
Otherwise, they would be wearing shorts. I agree that the competition is real, but what percentage of the audience really watches for the competition? BTW, what other event features bikini-clad cheerleaders? http://news.ninemsn.com.au/olympics/article.aspx?id=610439
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 03:52 PM
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155. Teen male viewing ...
Olympic Networks Surprised by "Totally Unexpected" Spike in Teen Male Viewing of Women's Beach Volleyball



http://www.dailyprobe.com/arcs/082404/index.shtml

I just don't understand this unexplained phenomenon.

Here's something interesting...
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/07/18/Womens_volleyball_team_says_no_to_bikinis/UPI-80281216409394/

"Organizers of the event agreed to loosen the dress code rules, allowing the Indian team to wear long shorts and T-shirts instead of the required bikini, The Telegraph reported Friday."

I agree that bikinis should not be required.

also ...
http://ask.metafilter.com/98786/Beach-Volleyball-Bikinis

'According to an IOC official "...it's important that the Committee keeps on the program sports that are popular, attractive to young people, have an element of entertainment and are attractive to broadcasting,"'

The outfits using in Latin dance competitions are pretty skimpy too, and the guys are supposed to wear open chest shirts, for example:

I've done a bit of latin dancing and competed once at a lower level that doesn't practically require these types of shirts. I think I would feel embarrassed wearing one.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:28 PM
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24. 10 out of 10 women prefer Bikinis to Burqas. n/t
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:31 PM
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26. 10 out of 10 men prefer women in bikinis over burkas too!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:38 PM
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27. Are you kidding? Look how streamlined this bikini makes her!


It's all about streamlining.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:54 AM
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154. This makes me "streamlined" too
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:41 PM
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28. Patriarchy plain and simple
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 09:41 PM by malaise
sponsors, fans and the dirty old men in the International Sporting Associations support this crap.
FIFA head Blatter even suggested that the female footballers must wear skimpy clothes to promote the sport.

sp.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:42 PM
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29. I must be really nuts ... 'cause I actually watch the SPORT! (sheesh!)
:crazy: :silly: :dunce:

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:45 PM
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30. It helps with viewer performance.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:57 PM
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31. I don't know about bikinis.
I don't care either way. It's hot, if they want to wear it, great, if not, they shouldn't have to. Some of them look great while wearing it, too.

But the sport itself, it just doesn't do much for me. It's pretty boring. They really need to get at least one more player in there. Because as it is, the points just go by too fast because it's too easy to score. There aren't many long rallies and after a while, the pattern just gets predictable. The bikinis serve as something of a distraction from the boredom. At least in indoor volleyball, where there's more people, there's some more variety and longer points.

Also, the blasting of loud music in between points gets old really fast.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:58 PM
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32. Skimpy?
Are you serious?

Good GOD!
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maui9002 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:18 PM
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33. Because the sport began on the beach (hence the name "beach volleyball")
where men wear shorts and sleeveless tshirts and women wear bikinis.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:31 PM
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35. Your answer isn't conspiratorial enough for my tastes. Next! n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:27 PM
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34. The female swim team is more covered up than the female volleyball team. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:11 PM
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41. Ever get sand in a bathing suit?? The more suit== more irritation.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:02 AM
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46. That's probably the best answer
But would loose fitting clothing like the men wear let the sand fall out a little easier?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:16 AM
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49. Not really - It sticks to everything and if you are covered even with loose fitting
clothing there is no way to brush it off your skin -

I've played a couple games in SoCal at Redondo...Sand in your loose fitting clothing is abrasive and miserable...like sandpaper....

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:13 AM
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110. The swimming suit is more hydrodynamic than skin
More coverage = faster time. (But some gals find full body suit restricting - so they wear 1 piece. )
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:32 PM
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36. who the hell am i discussing this issue with?
do you actually think either misty or kelly have a problem with their CHOSEN outfits in their competition?

with those bodies? they could have chosen berka's. would that have pleased you more?

the outfits that have advanced the sport of "beach volleyball" from something you did on a santa cruz beach for fun to something that has made both of these women millionaires advanced many years ago. and it brought all of the other contenders into riches they would never know.

well screw them bitches. how dare they. wanting to make them millions. showing off a body i never, ever could have?

what is the problem here? women that now get the payoff and into the future MILLIONS OF DOLLARS for beach volleyball, because you don't? women that succeed and do beach volleyball, because you can't? then fuck them bitches? is that it?


wow. poor you...



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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:57 PM
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45. Wow, you really take this topic to a new level
You're obviously a super genius. I bow to you're superior intellect. Please forgive me for even posting this topic.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:43 AM
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53. what is this? i asked a question? don't be that way...
we were discussing the apparel of olympic athletes.

do you have a problem about my question?

if so, what is it?

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:49 AM
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77. Yeah you asked a question...
but the tone suggests a lot of anger in the question. Chill out a bit. Oh, and when you use words like "driveby" as you have a couple of posts down, and couple that with angry questioning, it hints at a certain affiliation.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:24 AM
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65. Damn. That was one of the more ridiculous posts I've read in a while.
Switch to decaf.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 04:37 AM
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95. nice of the mods to leave it up though, so we can see the attitude.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:34 AM
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105. I agree completely. nm
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:14 AM
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111. Yes. I wish I could have seen the now-deleted sub-thread.
I wonder what uplifting things were said about me.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:32 PM
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37. They enhance the performance tremendously. I understand there's some sort of contest involved? n/t
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sknabt Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:34 PM
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38. Ahhhh... they don't. So what's your point?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:51 PM
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162. Thats a cheerleader not a player.
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CrazyDude Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:50 PM
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43. I say they should wear burkas
But that's just me.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:51 PM
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44. They guarantee the sport won't be cancelled. n/t
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:22 AM
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50. So . . . anyone know how well they're playing?
I've seen lots of posts lately about what the VB teams are wearing, but nothing about how well they're doing. Haven't had time to watch. So, how's their game?

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:54 AM
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54. They are dominant.
They haven't lost a match in about 115 of them or so.....

Misty May and Kerry Walsh.
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:00 AM
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56. That's impressive.
They've worked hard to be there.




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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:10 AM
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109. Does that mean their opponents are "submissive"?
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:08 AM
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59. I dont know, I've been too busy staring at their bodies
;)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:24 AM
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51. self-delete
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 12:25 AM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: My awesomesweet joke was already the #2 post. I fail.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:57 AM
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81. I also hate it when I get beat to the punchline. nt
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:27 AM
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52. women are the sex class. still.
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 12:35 AM by lwfern
first google hit for "men's volleyball":



and for "women's volleyball" the first google hit is a closeup of a woman's ass.



Edit to add this photo:


Bush's antics aside, what idiocy makes a woman decide when meeting the president (or any man, for that matter) that a proper response is to bend over and offer her ass to be smacked?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:00 AM
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57. It is a tradition among beach volleyball players.
As it is in Basketball and Baseball. Football, too.

But, since you're all about being the sex class, you wouldn't know that.

By the way - that's men's indoor volleyball, played with teams, the women are playing beach volleyball, played in doubles.

Vastly different sports.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:20 AM
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63. hey there.
1) yes, I'm aware it's a tradition for players to smack each other's asses. However, I'm having a hard time picturing a superbowl winner meeting Bush - even on the field - and reacting by turning around, sticking his ass out and asking bush if he'd smack it.

2) the gratuitous insult is just that - gratuitous

3) The google search terms I used didn't differentiate between indoors, outdoors, teams, doubles. It was simply a representative search to see what images are most popular for representing men's volleyball - and the result was an ACTION shot of men. The most popular women's photo, by contrast, featured much more revealing clothing, a nonaction shot, and a sexualized pose thanks to the zoom and camera angle up and into the crotch area. This is why I refer to it as an example of women being the sex class.

Also seems to be very popular for so-called photojournalists to feel it's newsworthy to do closeups of the women specifically when they are signaling.



Here, for another example, is a reuter's shot - obviously by a great sports photographer. :eyes:

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:41 AM
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66. Well....
1. The guys won't offer cause it would be interpreted as....get ready for it...gay.

But if the Prez just smacked one on the ass as he started to take the field, no harm no foul.

I think in this case Ms. May just got overenthused by the commander in chief.....

Sickening thought, but there ya go.

2. When you reduce women to "The sex class," it seems you'll have to include yourself in that perjorative, right?

Implying my wife - as a woman - as the sex class irritates the living shit out of her. Me too.

On the other hand, the Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise is part of the sex class, now, isn't he??

As far as those photos - I wouldn't take them, and I'd say that the largest audience for them would be 14- 40 year old males with huge bandwidth and storage. Breeding stock, those males.

It's odd. Nature gave us eyes to differentiate possible mates/sex partners for desirability and availability and although we ALL use our eyes for just that purpose, some get demonized for it.

I wouldn't want my daughter (If I had one) to be a model and dress like that. If she were a professional volleyball player, I wouldn't mind. Go figure.

I think it has to do with being objectified as an adjunct to a profession, rather than being a professional object.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:00 AM
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72. When we refer to women as the "sex class"
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 02:05 AM by lwfern
it's a critique/perjorative of our culture, not a critique of the actions of your wife or of me.

It's an accepted term in the field of women's studies. It has to do with the historical role of women in our society, and what they were (and still often are) valued for. Their uniforms (even if the women picked them out) are a result of that. When you look at the work of the Reuters photographers, you can see it in their attitude as well - they are treating women as the sex class. I looked through a gallery of news shots and picked those - if you look at the full gallery, there are a ton of close ups of women's asses, sometimes when they are signaling, sometimes not. Sometimes they are lying in the sand, probably the result of diving for the ball, but the pose the photographer snapped at had the effect of making them, again, look sexualized. That gallery also included shots of men - apparently the men never signal to each other. I didn't notice any shots of the men where their heads are cropped off, but there are plenty of the women as headless torsos. The men's asses are not deemed by the media to be newsworthy. There is a much higher ratio of them performing athletic feats, versus hugging each other.

When I talk about what the women being the sex class, that's the perfect example - the media values the men for their athletic ability in this sport, and the photographic evidence suggests they primarily value the women as sex objects to be used as a commodity for sale.

Why would your wife be offended that somebody calls that out for what it is and complains about it?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:55 AM
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78. My wife.....
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 03:09 AM by cliffordu
"Why would your wife be offended that somebody calls that out for what it is and complains about it?"


Her take on this might be a little skewed...Mine might too....

My wife's mother was a stripper in the '50s and '60's. My lovely spouse spent her formative years in the dressing rooms of mobbed-up strip clubs playing with pasties and being babysat by women who had stage names like "Misty Wings." Gladys (my mother in law) is nobody's fool and nobody's object. She is unapologetic about taking money from men (who she said were little more than marks) in the most direct manner possible for her house payment, my wife's childhood expenses, and her retirement. I guess we could pity Gladys for having to do that, but I wouldn't do it in front of her. Gladys has said she couldn't have made that kind of money doing anything else.

(As an aside, she worked Jack Ruby's club in Dallas a year before Kennedy was killed. She thought Jack was a real nice guy.)

MY mother, for what it's worth, was what is called now a 'sex worker'. I am a byproduct of that trade.

There's a difference between playing volleyball in a bikini and tricking to pay the rent, I think.

I understand there's supposed to be a continuum of exploitation from one to the other, I am just baffled by the importance it seems to have at the shallow end.

*****

As irony would have it, My wife and I both became actors, and met while working in a play about pornographic theaters/bookstores.

Great play, by the way. Confrontational theater at it's best and most dangerous. Provocative without being prurient....well, alright, shocking and prurient........and pushed the boundries of what folks might call "Legitimate" theater. It was a scandal. An indictment of sexuality repressive society.

That was 27 years ago.

I don't know why I just committed all this to the innernets, except:

I guess she and I feel we both come from the real 'sex class', not the academic description of one.

Edit: I just re-read this - it sounds a little too edgy, I mean no hostility....:hi:


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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #78
102. Lenny Bruce, is that you?
Interesting story.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #102
137. No, But I love his work.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #72
115. Women don't have to yield to media's or society's definition of their
primary value, by choosing a different professional wardrobe. I like a "T & A" show as much as the next guy, but it shouldn't be about what I or any guy likes, it should be about what women want as their professional image.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:33 AM
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103. how can they stand having their suits up their ass cheeks and/or cracks like that?
who cares what the men think of it, i don't know how they can stand having that stuff riding up like that.

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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:49 AM
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123. That isn't a photoshop?
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 10:51 AM by snooper2
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Now he has something to think about when popping his half hard drunk weee-wee in stepford laura

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: smack that ass!




:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




GOBAMA!
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:57 AM
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55. the men were long shirts and long shorts so anything about the why seems
to go away or they should be in little speedos - I see the volleyball team girls have on this skimpy little bottoms too - it seems exploitative to me also - and great for the womanizers - they are being objectified it seems - must be good for the advertisers though
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:04 AM
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83. One bad thing
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 03:05 AM by awoke_in_2003
(well some might consider it bad) is when a man is wearing a speedo and flopping all over the place, certain things can, well, flop out. Of course, that might help ratings :)

oh, and with increased activity comes increased blood flow, everywhere. Not uncommon to see chubbies in the gym.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:06 AM
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84. And jockstraps look like shit under speedo's
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #84
89. Yep. Jocks don't just keep things together
they keep them down.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:15 PM
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133. they look even worse OVER them.
nt
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:01 AM
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58. "I'll take 'Questions I'd Never Ask In A Gazillion Years' for $500, Alex."
:P
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:09 AM
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60. In the age of easy access to internet porn..
it's hard to imagine that bikinis would actually entice more male viewers to watch voleyball.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. Well, since we're all sex-crazed beasts with no compunction about pointing
our little thingies at anything in a two-piece bathing suit, the bikini is absolute overload.


:sarcasm:

:rofl:

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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:17 AM
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62. I do not get exited watching Sumo... n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #62
64. Well.....maybe you should speak to YOUR doctor and see if Cialis is right for you...
:rofl:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #64
85. Too bad there are no more
DUzy awards until sept.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:09 AM
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86. Women never understand it
mens' appetite (on the average) for new visual stimuli is ravenous. The majority of us are just dogs. Some are more well behaved than others, but we still are.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:15 AM
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101. okay...
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 06:33 AM by girl gone mad
my best straight male friend told me women in bikinis were "boring" and don't excite him. Maybe that's enough to get most guys off, but I still don't think masses of horny men are so desperate for masturbation material that they are tuning in to watch Olympic volleyball.

If you are trying to argue that women don't understand how hormones work, well, this might surprise you but women also like to look at attractive men. Lots of different ones. Shirtless. They even made a movie about this phenomenon not long ago called "Troy".
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #101
121. Or, easier still, ask them about Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise.......
You know, with his shirt open.....
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:51 PM
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140. It was completely essential to the plot.
Fortunately, his acting was brilliant enough that he was able recover from that career misstep and he never had to take his clothes off in front of the camera again. Oh, wait..

;)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:45 AM
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67. If they were to accidentally fall off the beach
the bikini would allow them to swim to safety. plus, it would dry more quickly than a baggy uniform.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:47 AM
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68. And everyone knows that bikinis don't attract sharks.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:15 AM
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74. well, not in the water anyway.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:56 AM
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80. I really set you up on that, didn't I....
:rofl:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:38 AM
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120. thank you! we'll be here all week!
tip your waitress. Try the veal.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 04:39 AM
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96. Excellent, thank you. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:48 AM
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69. I don't really know. But they sure do look nice.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:54 AM
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70. what a sorry excuse for a "sport" beach volleyball is
What next in the Olympics? Cheerleading? Maybe shooting pool, playing poker, bowling, hacky sack, varmint hunting, and team Twister should be added to the list of "sports" for the Olympics. The Olympics becomes more like an extended Coors Light commercial every time they hold it.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:56 AM
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71. ROFL.
You should play a set or two. It's really easy!!!

:rofl:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #70
106. And let's run down the women we are supposedly "looking out for"
Way to marginalize the "victim".
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:23 AM
Response to Reply #70
150. Probably one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read
And that's saying a LOT on DU! Play a set of twos some time. If you survived five minutes I'd be amazed. It's an incredibly tough sport.

.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:03 AM
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73. Is it mandatory to wear skimpy suits? If not, then I don't find it a big deal.
At the beach, most women wear tight bikinis. The men do seem to appreciate it.

At the beach, few men wear speedos or tight shorts. The women do seem to appreciate it, lol.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:58 AM
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82. And EVERYBODY is glad I don't wear a speedo.....
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:12 AM
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87. "few men wear speedos or tight shorts"
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:12 AM
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88. I am NOT going to click on that.......
:rofl:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:15 AM
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90. Where is your sense of adventure? nt
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 03:16 AM by awoke_in_2003
on edit: corrected my "working third shift" spelling
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:17 AM
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91. Is this one of those "pull my finger" thingies??
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:29 AM
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93. I see you are male...
do you have any children (if I may ask)? If you do, you know the greatness of the "pull my finger" thing (although momma doesn't understand why my boy MUST be taught this. Men have been doing this since we lived in caves:))
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:43 AM
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122. Oh, Yes......Yes we have.
We are the keeper of the fart humor, We are the Uncle who knows the good swear words, the first man in our nephew's lives that ogle young women in bikinis playing volleyball....

The responsibilities are endless. The work never done.


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:03 PM
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156. Isn't it a uniform?
So, then it probably is mandatory.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:21 AM
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92. I grew up on the socal beaches AND I have a volleyball family...
in my view this is a skimpy bikini



and this is not



I can't believe what a fuss this has created. Seriously. Where was the outrage when male olympians wore these skimpy bikinis?






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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:46 AM
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94. It's a beach to figure stuff like this out. n/t
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 04:40 AM
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97. Best thread ever!
:rofl:
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 04:45 AM
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98. It's traditional beach volleyball wear..........
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 04:45 AM by gbrooks



Vat's you problem
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:06 AM
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100.  Beach Volleyball = skimpy bikinis = MELANOMA. n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:03 AM
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108. at least they are not thongs
yet.....



I really do not see an advantage in having sand in one's crotch.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:24 AM
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112. Would you watch two broads jump around like that if they were in a sweatsuit?
It's a beach sport so they dress like they are on the beach.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:41 AM
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117. ~blink~
:wow:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:44 AM
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118. I know...Good times, eh?
Rock on.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:34 AM
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131. Rofl.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:28 AM
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113. Skimpy?
You obviously haven't been to the beach recently.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:40 AM
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116. Bikinis enhance women's volleyball players' marketability and that of the sport.
Sex sells. Period.

I am in no way condoning this, just pointing it out as a fact of current life, maybe all of human history.

It is about the dollars, plain and simple. Bikinis and hot women attract viewership and fannies in the seats.

But I seriously doubt that bikinis enhance women volleyball player performance, and may hinder it.

I mean with all the diving they do into the sand, you'd think they would want to wear something that seals things up down there. I know I would.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:45 AM
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119. Why not! Girls on trampolines wear them too.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:51 AM
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126. IS THAT going to be an olympic sport too???
Here, lemme tear up that suicide note....

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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:51 AM
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124. Reduces the likelihood fo wedgies?
and provides adequate support for the boobage.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:51 AM
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125. Purely conjecture, but since it began on the beach,
I would 'assume' that the women who are playing are used to the movement of bikinis while they play versus having to get used to a totally new covering.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:25 PM
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135. Thanks for the sanity; the first time I saw it, they wore a lot less and the men
parctically nothing.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:54 AM
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127. Closest thing to naked....
Which is how athletes played sports in ancient Olympic times! :)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:31 AM
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130. Yea...but that was dudes
Naked wrestlers may fly at Nebraska....but not here on the east coast.
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:14 AM
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128. I don't know if it's as much a bikini as it is a sports bra with a swimsuit bottom
If I were to choose my outfit for playing beach volleyball, it would be something to attract people of the opposite sex. Typically, girls go for the swimshorts and tank top/bare chest (current style has to do with the difference in outfits). I like the attention and confidence I feel when I am looking good out there. Confidence is a big part of any sport, and I think that the confidence you feel when you're wearing something that you know is sexy, that it can carry over to your performance. So yes, bikinis can enhance performance.
Also, the guys' outfits are not very baggy at all, a little loose for comfort and mobility reasons, but I would not say that they are baggy.

Girls in skimpy outfits are always a plus for ratings too :) Can't you tell that the whole olympics broadcast this year is based on advertising and the subsequent profits? That just means you'll see more beach volleyball than more obscure sports simply for the 'bikini effect'.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:31 AM
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129. I understand the tops - wearing a sports bra makes absolute sense
given all the jumping going on. I don't understand wearing the bikini bottom.

FWIW - there was a flap at the local junior high a few years back. The girl's track team was running in sports bras because of the heat. The mothers of the football players complained that it was "distracting" when their sons were forced to practice near-by and tha the girls should cover up. I thought the girls were in the right.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:34 AM
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132. It's BEACH volleyball. I got no problem--and I'm a female ex-competitve athlete. nt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:13 PM
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138. I Think This Is More About The Millions At Home
Who see the images of men depicted as high-powered athletes:



And women as something quite different:


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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:15 PM
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146. I'm pretty bummed at the tone of this thread
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 10:17 PM by Atman
I play beach volleyball, and playing "twos," the womens volleyball the op is about, is an incredibly grueling sport. Two people have to cover a huge amount of sand -- and it's deep, soft sand, and jumping and digging require an incredible amount of freedom of movement. I've played indoor league sixes in the winter and wearing a t-shirt and baggy shorts really sucks ass. Ask any volleyball player (except members of the Liberty University volleyball team) and they'll tell you, the less clothing the better.

(OOPS -- ON EDIT, this reply wasn't meant as a direct response to you; I just liked your post and it prompted me to post a mini-rant.)

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:15 PM
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149. That doesn't explain the Reuters photographers, though.
what are your thoughts on that?
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:20 PM
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134. Like this?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:33 PM
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136. Well it sure isn't because...
they are an effective way to keep your boobs in, sand out of your privates, and wedgies out of your but -- the gals are just about constantly pulling at their suits. There was one side shot of Mandy pulling at the front of her bikini bottom after a full-face dive into the sand, and we were around a millisecond from finding out if she has a landing strip or goes full Brazillian. :D

If it were me playing, I would be in something that didn't require constant adjusting/dislodging -- and male viewership would drop by 90%. :D
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:13 PM
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139. I want to know why the men don't play bare-chested?
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:01 PM
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141. They do, just not in the olympics. n/t
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:03 PM
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142. Personally, I prefer playing naked.
Even less restricting than shorts.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:10 PM
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143. They should also include an evening dress event and ask them to display a talent
At least they would have parity with similar events that way.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:12 PM
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144. Less restricting and cooler?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:21 PM
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147. Why Does My Wife Seem To Enjoy Watching The Male Swimmers So Much???

I'm confused and puzzled!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:07 PM
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148. Me too. I can't figure that out.
I mean I like to watch women's volley ball for the non stop action. Men swimming is boring.;)
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:52 PM
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157. would you prefer them in burqas?
nt
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:03 PM
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158. I don't know but it seems to help the men as well.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:14 PM
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159. Because the Media caters for the sexual pleasure of men
more than that of women. Because most those in positions of power are men.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:26 PM
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160. But these women are a different kind of sexy!
They are not siliconed creatures. They are slim, small-breasted, and not bothered about who looks at them. They are concentrating on their game, not on any guys drooling on the sidelines. At least in the segments I've seen, they're not trying to entice men. Or women, for that matter. They are acting professionally. Which is better than people wearing Coca-Cola, Polo or Wal-Mart symbols.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:30 PM
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161. Sponsors like viewers
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