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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:07 AM
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Poll question: Election or revolution?
:shrug:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:09 AM
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1. Election. But I'm ready for a revolution. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:10 AM
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2. Revolutions tend to be rather bloody and fail more often than they succeed,
especially if you count the high likelihood of a dictatorship rising out of the affair. As long as there are elections, the ballot is smarter than the bullet.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:12 AM
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5. depending on the 'dictator'
that might not be that bad.


ballots are only as smart as the people who cast them, and i know people who are far dumber than a bullet.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:17 AM
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12. The problem with dictatorships is that you don't exactly get to pick.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:17 AM
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13. sure you do,
if your political sect starts and ends the revolution.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:16 AM
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10. There has not been an election since 1976.
In amerikka there are no ballots and we gave up without a fight to the fascists.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:16 AM
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11. Funny, I'm pretty sure I remember participating in a few of them.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:30 AM
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18. ill be sure to tell the thousands
of disenfranchised voters who were illegal purged from voting the last two elections that you give a thumbs up and a-okay to the process. im sure theyll feel better.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:42 AM
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Dupe.
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 10:42 AM by Occam Bandage
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:42 AM
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22. Yep. I just said, "you know what isn't a problem? Voter purging."
I'm so glad you are talking about what I actually said, instead of what the strawman "everything's-ok" guy in your head said.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:34 AM
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20. And nobody counted your vote.
But thanks for being the apologist for power elite corruption.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:42 AM
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23. No, I'm pretty sure they did. Dems won my district handily, just like polling showed they would.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:11 AM
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3. Revolution
The velvet kind - we need real change.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:11 AM
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4. if they keep on abusing us, and do not obey the will of the people
when we vote, and the results are not in our favor we should consider the other "R" word.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:12 AM
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6. I voted election but if they steal another one, I'm ready for a revolution
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:13 AM
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7. other....
selection!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:13 AM
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8. We need a revolution now, like never before.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:15 AM
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9. "We" the people are too fractured..
for a revolution. Secession might be a way out.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:18 AM
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14. You got that right.
What we would end up with would be civil war, and still not fighting the real power elite enemies of The People.

The psychological warfare the power elite has been waging on The People for thirty years has left us mentally and spiritually powerless.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:20 AM
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15. We need a serious revolution more than an election.
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 10:22 AM by nc4bo
The way things are going now, elections aren't really elections where the citizens get to choose, they're merely installations of the neocon power boys.



edit 'cause spellcheck doesn't do squat in subj. lines.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:25 AM
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16. Civil War, V2.0
This time, I doubt the Union can prevail.

I have been waiting for the Town Vs Suburban Vs Rural war for a couple of years now.

When the current situation in Georgia hikes competition for oil and Nat Gas resources to the boiling point, I think five dollar gas will be the new normal. Murika can't run on five dollar gas, IMO.

But neither can globalism, and China is going down hard, because while they have the industrial base, they lack critical resources to continue to operate in an environment of oil scarcity and increasing water scarcity.

Russia is poised to be the next big thing. But I think the EU has the winning strategy in going as far into renewables as the continent will allow.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:26 AM
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17. In America? Where they're running 2 moderates for president?
And, being "revolutionary" consists of wearing tinware in one's nostrils?

For a revolution, you need revolutionaries. Hell, even here, on a "liberal" message board people cringe at the mention of demonstrations at the national conventions of the established parties.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:31 AM
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19. evolution
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:37 AM
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21. I vote for Revolution, but honestly, I don't see it happening in America.
I don't see people taking off work for a month to shut down DC. I don't see people willing to be shot, tear gassed, microwaved, tazed, beaten with batons, and run over by APC's.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if the economy completely collapses. Maybe if Cheney/Bush start another war. Maybe if the 2008 election is so obviously stolen that its impossible to cover up.

I marched in DC in January 2007. Maybe half a million people. Very peaceful. Very well behaved. If that group had wanted to, I have no doubt we could have ripped down the gates of the WH, at the cost of many lives.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:44 AM
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24. I'd be happiest with a revolutionary election. nt
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:53 AM
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25. Both. Elections, and a revolution of conscience. (n/t)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:57 AM
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26. we don't have elections anymore. we just have election shows.
only a revolution can save our species at this point, but there is no common will to drive an election. we'll just quietly destroy ourselves.
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