Just some of the calls for violence against Democrats/Liberals, Gays, Pro-Choice, etc

[Divine Discontent]

1. Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for."

2. Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."

3. Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him, censure him, assassinate him."

4. John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."

5. Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too."

6. Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."

7. Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains."

8. Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"


That's just SOME of the spewed filth of the hundreds of incidents where they've advocated violence towards liberals/Democrats, and these are just SOME of the better known repubs doing it - there's hundreds smaller swine of the GOP who've said the same.


There's plenty more of them out there, and even if you can just recall the discussion put it on this thread so we can see it as some people 100% don't believe this goes on, even people on this board.

Here's some other hate -

1. Mel Gibson on Frank Rich: "I want to kill him. I want his entrails on a stick. I want to kill his dog."

2. Fresno City Council Member Jerry Duncan in 2003 wrote in an email that police should "Cap" members of the Human Relations Commission and wrote, "If I had one dirty bomb and I could eliminate all the liberals in Fresno at once." When his comments became public, Duncan said "The response I have gotten from the public on this has been 100% supportive."

3. World Socialist newsletter about how "Republican Right prepares for violence"
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/elec-n24.pdf

4. Shooter/Murderer wanted to "kill liberals who are ruining the country", had books of Hannity and other right wing GOPers who told they were doing such - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

5. Right winger backer and often a TV guest, Ted Nugent calling for violence -
http://vyan.blogspot.com/2007/08/nugent-calls-for-violence-against.html
(some info obtained from http://www.preemptivekarma.com/archives/2007/07/dancing_with_th.html )

McLame/McSame/McWar & more (Pro-Obama) at - www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[Hissyspit]

1. Recommended. n/t

[HowHasItComeToThis]

63. ANY SANE NATION WOULD LAUGH THESE RABBLE-ROUSERS OFF THE AIR

:puke: :puke:

[peanut2010]

77. Bad part this nation`s not that sane anymore

[seabeyond]

86. was in barnes and noble with three kids. i was looking at books, behind were political books

mostly republican. and coulter, i cant remember hers at the time, like three years ago. he said i hate what these people are saying about liberals. i told them that these people consistently lied to create a hate. an older woman, in 50's came around and said. tehy dont lie. what they say is important. they are right. and she kept walking. my mouth hung open. really couldnt believe on so many levels. generally i am more control of self i could have responded but wasnt able to with this woman. didnt even take her as being serious first couple sentences, and then when i realize she meant it she was gone

[tburnsten]

89. Not responding was a pretty controlled reaction

And hopefully everyone didn't miss how dumb she sounded. I think you did fine, it's best not to sink to their level of ideological attacks if at all possible, just rely on busting down their reasoning in public so apathetic people around you can see who's got their thinking cap on.

[seabeyond]

i did think being dumbfounded stopped me from getting into a petty discourse.

also, i was not being offensive and i was being fair in talking about these books. people have the right to write and read them, just need to think.... with this kinda of stufff. and she did appear foolish.
but it isnt often i am surprised like that.

[bear425]

2. Thank you for posting this. k/r n/t

[Carolina]

3. K&R!

[geomon666]

4. Don't forget about CNN's Glenn Beck

He want's to kill Michael Moore.

Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

[Divine Discontent]

17. ty! posted on OP. eom

[screembloodymurder]

5. Maybe we need to keep our own shit list.

Justice must be served.

[Occulus]

7. If you have examples of right wing talk radio quotes along these lines,

I started just such a thread as you suggest (before seeing this one, I might add).

You can find it here.

[eridani]

24. Why not move it to the Research section?

That way it won't disappear.

[JNelson6563]

44. Cross-posting is even better

:toast:

[mamameow]

96. differences

that is the difference between dems and repubics/right wingers. dems are closer to jesus ideals, not the crap right wingers spew. the hate in the media has turned me off, do not watch anymore. i had a right winger tell me that when their side completely took over our government, then i was going to be the first person she was going to turn in for confinement to a re-education camp. they scare the hell out of me.

[tburnsten]

97. What? Someone actually said that?

I would consider myself pretty balanced, I can usually understand someone's point of view or thoughts on a matter even if I heartily disagree with them, but I can' imagine a person who is so partisan that they would actually welcome a society where people who don't exactly toe the line are removed for "re-education" or sent to camps.

I can't imagine wanting to live in a world like that.

[nachoproblem]

113. Apparently, they're called Nazis

or "fascists" to be more general. People created a world like that before, and they can do it again.

But I still have hope that it won't be so easy this time.

[tburnsten]

115. Oh right

Nazis, Fascists, and Communists are all in the same boat. They may sing slight variations of the same song but any way you cut it they all used highly similiar tactics and structure of day to day life. I would hope that our nation would be less susceptible to becoming a victim of a group trying to create that sort of command and control atmosphere in our lives. That is why our founders wrote in the ultimate power check on government, the second amendment right to vote from the rooftops should all other means fail and should our government officials get truly out of control.

[kestrel91316]

6. There is absolutely no difference between this radio hatemongering

and the radio hatemongering that led to the Rwandan genocide. NONE.

They intend to kill more of us. Anybody who says we don't have homegrown terrorism AGAINST LIBERALS right here in America is either a bald-faced liar or brain-dead.

[Divine Discontent]

8. no difference, I agree. they are intent on killing all of us, and advocate it with glee

I just found a "lifeBEAT" concert, that fights against AIDS, where half the reggae bands involved have violent lyrics towards Lesbians and Gays! Looking for more references of political types saying violent sounding or direct calls for violence against Democrats, Liberals, Women, GLBT, differing religions, atheists. No one should have a call put out on them to be assaulted or murdered.

GOD bless everyone for chiming in with their comments.

[old mark]

9. This has been going on for years.

I'm glad some on the left are FINALLY noticing it.

The righties are fucking crazy, but they are very serious.


mark

[Divine Discontent]

14. Deadly serious -----

World Socialist newsletter about how "Republican Right prepares for violence"
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/elec-n24.pdf

Shooter/Murderer wanted to "kill liberals who are ruining the country", had books of Hannity and other right wing GOPers who told they were doing such -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

[kestrel91316]

21. Oh, I've noticed it for years, too.

[Divine Discontent]

10. "the downfall of society" is also a call out to nutwingers that GLBT must be stopped

by saying a certain people will destroy the world you live in, you are in essence calling for them to be STOPPED


Troy King on Gays
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
Alabama Attorney General Troy King: will he resign?
Troy King, the Alabama Attorney General who was reportedly caught by his wife in bed with male assistant, is the latest conservative Republican (think Larry Craig) to have made anti-gay rhetoric part of his political mantra.

King, a frontrunner for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in 2010, has called homosexuality "the downfall of society."
http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=77358

[Divine Discontent]

12. Even the republicanoperative website post from 'trueconservative' admits anti-gay violence -

"On the subject of abortion and sexuality, many of the religious right openly advocate violence towards homosexuals and abortionists – some even go as far as perpetrating it. Not only does this show a blatant disregard for law and order and the rule of law, but there’s a name for people who use violence to achieve political objectives – that word is Terrorists."

[tburnsten]

26. Hmm. Not everyone on the other

side of the aisle is a monster or a limbaugh or a coulter.

And that's great.

[Divine Discontent]

31. there's some good GOPers out there, thank God! His/her comments were refreshing. Much like that

Alaskan mayor who's a GOPer but backed Obama yesterday.

[tburnsten]

33. Sometimes it is too easy to get caught up

in over-partisan games, but realistically it is best not to just automatically peg anyone in the other major party as racist or homophobic or what have you, because for the most part it just isn't true.

[mike_c]

11. it's called free speech and I support it....

Look, I HATE the spew radio format-- on both sides of the political divide, so I don't listen to it. But dammit, let's stop talking about the need to shut it down, muzzle the right-wing radio hosts, and so on.

It's illegal to incite violence, so if anyone thinks Rush Limbaugh, Michael Wiener, etc is stoking up mobs they should take their case to the police, or to their state's AG. Otherwise, suck it up, turn it off, whatever-- but recognize that the Constitution protects anyone's right to say nasty things about democrats and liberals just like it protects our right to call neo-cons scumbags.

Regarding violence, if some nutjob listens to that stuff and acts out in socially inappropriate ways then THEY are responsible for their actions. We criticize the political leadership every day on DU-- if someone reads that and decides to shoot their congressman does that mean political discourse on DU is responsible for his actions? Of course not!

I think the speakers cited in the OP are all lunatics, but they have just as much right to express their lunacy as you or I-- the nature of a free and open society makes it the responsibility of all of us to act appropriately after we listen and evaluate their arguments, or to vote with our feet and simply tune them out. Boycott them if they offend you, but respect their right to speak.

/rant

[Divine Discontent]

13. A call for murder against another by a person of wealth/influence/power

is accompaniment to aiding in a crime. It is not free speech - it is reckless violent wanton desire to harm a viewpoint different than one's own. It is criminal when a call to murder is involved. They see us as mortal enemies to the safety of their families - that crosses the line into hate speech, coaxed by militant nationalism and fascism for their belief in governing.

[mike_c]

15. that's correct-- when it's proven in court, under due process....

It's entirely different when RWers decry what they see as corrupting or otherwise destructive influences in society-- that is their right, no matter how deluded they might be. I defend that right, without equivocation. Until someone makes a compelling enough case for criminal prosecution of RWers for inciting violence against liberals, the responsibility rests with the folks who choose violence rather than with the RWers who are simply exercising their right to speak their minds.

If Michael Weiner were indicted for inciting violence, I'd expect the ACLU would likely come to his defense. Now THAT would make some heads explode around here!

[Divine Discontent]

18. focusing on the direct calls of violence towards others

then yes, they need prosecuted. for just saying opinion about what is destroying one's way of life, etc, correct that's freedom of speech. when it's done maliciously and in a manner that is meant to stoke hatred of a subject, it is the responsibility of others to voice disgust with the hateful opinion - and what the point is hear - contact the employers who are PAYING these people to spew that mindset, or the advertisers who pay to put ads on their shows.

[Divine Discontent]

16. another example of stoking fear of Obama to these rabid right wing types

is saying Barack Obama is willing to LOSE THE WAR just to become president. I find that disgustingly over the line, and although not in line with the other comments of direct calls of violence against liberal minded people, it is still stoking of the fear that Obama is a threat to our NATIONAL SECURITY - one of the BIGGEST rally cries to the nutjobs when you want to stir up their anger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/23/joe-klein-john-mccains-co_n_114437.html

[mike_c]

19. again, I call that simply "a difference of opinion..."

...and constitutionally protected speech.

What about my conviction that LOSING THE WAR is completely appropriate and should in fact be one of the foreign policy objectives of any rational U.S. president? If I can express that ideal, why shouldn't RWers be permitted to criticize the position.

If attributing that position to Obama is inaccurate, then it's the responsibility of others to point out the inaccuracy, debate the merits of that philosophy, or to simply evaluate it and believe or discard it as they see fit. Preserving the freedom to express ideas is far more important than protecting people from ideas we don't want them to hear. That's intellectual fascism, frankly.

[warren pease]

45. And there's this gem from Raygun's adopted kid...

Michael Reagan, spouting what I'm told is his staple of putting out contracts on lefties and 9/11 trooothers, a group that includes a very ballsy activist named Mark Dice. But one person's activist is another's paranoid loon, so Mark is better known as one of those delusional conspiracy theorists who find it difficult to believe that the Bush administration, a group of sociopaths and dissemblers who have lied about every single issue of any importance since the 2000 coup let the rat bastards into the White House, would suddenly feel an overpowering urge to tell the absolute truth about "the events of 9/11"(tm).

Dice's latest informational project (or act of treason, depending on who's talking) is sending 9/11 truth DVDs to US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan so they can get a better understanding of why they've been sent to these shit-holes, who's getting rich off their spilled blood and who created the extraordinary piece of street theater that kicked off the whole bullshit war on (some) terrorists in the first place. So here's what Michael Reagan had to say about Dice on his June 10th radio show:

“Excuse me folks, I’m going to say this. We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that’s what they are, and you shoot them dead. I’ll pay for the bullets.

“How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don’t blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice.”

Oh, this candy assed fraud did offer a lukewarm apology to Dice a few nights later, but I hear it was pretty bland and dripped insincerity. Dice says he's not at all placated and continues to try and get the FCC to kick Reagan off the air for inciting murder and mayhem. Of course, Bush political appointees run the FCC these days, so that's not going to happen.

You may have noticed that 9/11 truthers have lately become preferred targets for many wingers who may feel things are getting a little too close for comfort. Not that it's much of a stretch when it was the demented neocons at PNAC themselves who pointed out that getting people to support converting a democratic republic into a fascist national security state and global imperialist empire is a long process absent some catalyzing event like "...a new Pearl Harbor."

Not content to wait for the Japanese air force to obliterate the US naval base in Hawaii again, they considered other options that would produce the desired effects a little more quickly. Viola! 9/11 turns Bushie from a bumbling imbecile into The War President overnight.

Congress, pooping its collective pants about anthrax and scared that even the mildest disagreement with the Bushean vision of unending war (generating unending opportunities for obscene war profiteering for his cronies, including his VP) will result in mass media branding them as unpatriotic, lines up to out-fascist the fascists.

Mass media plays its scripted part, the one those six giant conglomerates had in mind when they bought controlling interests in almost 90 percent of everything Americans see, hear and read. BushWorld(tm) is born. Media cheerleading reaches a frenzy of disgusting subservient suckiness. Flag lapel pins sprout like weeks. Homeland security becomes an actual phrase used without irony in an alleged democracy. RIP America the great experiment.

And it's been the E-ticket to hell ever since, managed and controlled by skanks like Rove and sadistic war profiteers like Cheney and Rumsfeld, with a lot of help from an utterly corrupted Justice Department, which is to real justice as a Tonka truck is to a Ferrari Testarosa.

Didn't mean to ramble on so, but this kind of shit really pisses me off in the extreme. But if you're wondering, the point of all this is don't ignore Michael Reagan, who's alarmingly influential, has about 4 million loyal listeners and spouts this kind of murderous crap regularly.

Surely there are one or two among that 4 million who are completely insane, armed to the teeth, hate anything left of Trent Lott and are ready for a little payback for all those times the haughty liberal elitists laughed at them and called them names. Yup... their time is coming, sooner than anybody expects.

Now, is that kind of incitement to murder -- directed at an audience that must contain at least a couple of nuts who will carry out those "suggestions" -- a little beyond protected free speech under the first amendment? Not that it actually exists anymore except for wingnuts like Reagan and the rest, but still...

And if Dice turns up dead from multiple gunshot wounds in a few months, is Reagan then indictable for his role in the murder? If not, then it's time for me to get my own low-power FM underground talk show going and put out the word that what's fair for the wingers is damn well OK for the opposition, too. Somehow, though, I doubt the equal enforcement of the law is still in effect. I'll have to call Mukasey for a ruling -- using a disposable cell phone and a napkin over my mouth. Gee whiz, what a country.


wp

Member, Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice (so yeah, I've got a certain interest beyond normal curiosity in this case.)

[geomon666]

20. This is nothing new.

The Klan used to do that crap all the time. Have these disgusting racists read biased news casts over the radio and stir race hatred up to the form of a lynch mob. But it was all protected under "Free Speach" until people finally had enough and said no, that's not free speech, that's hate speech and it's the same shit today.

[The Wizard]

70. To which of the two major political parties

is the Ku Klux Klan more closely aligned?
Big news: The Klan and the Republican Party are one in the same, and they own the radio airwaves used to incite violence against those who disagree.
Can anyone cite any Republican denouncing the hatred spewed by the right wing scumbags who are the voice and spirit of today's Republikkklans?
"Put down your books and pick up a gun,
Gonna have a whole lot of fun."
Don't expect relief from the Courts; Bush has stacked the deck. The myth that was once a democratic free state with liberty and justice for all has been replaced by a fascist dictatorship that can't be voted out of office. The only things missing are the armbands and jackboots.
When they unveil the concentration camps and ovens it will be too late.

[StateRed]

85. nm

[theboss]

133. Well, in fairness, the Klan was started by disempowered Democrats in the South

Just sayin'. Historically, they have been far far far more closely aligned with the Dems. Read about Woodrow Wilson's reaction to Birth of a Nation for one.

[The Wizard]

136. The question asked

To which of the two major political parties is (not was) the Klan most closely aligned.
And those disempowered Democrats became Dixiecrats and then Republicans, excepting for the virulent bigot, Zell Miller.
Yeah I know, Robert Byrd was in the Klan 60 years ago, but he denounced the Klan about 58 years ago.
In fact, the only way to get elected in Byrd's district 60 years ago was to be in the Klan.
And in all fairness, playing fair with the party of Ku Klux Karl is a road map for losing.

[kestrel91316]

36. IIRC there is, at least in some jurisdictions, an actual criminal

offence called "incitement to violence".

Don't ask for a link. It's just a recollection I have.

[NewJeffCT]

47. Are there radio hosts on the left nearly as prominent and

also so hate-filled as those on the right - Limbaugh, Savage, Beck, Coulter, etc?

I've heard angry people on the left on the radio, but nothing like calls for mass murder and assassination, etc.

[mike_c]

57. probably not, but they haven't been at it for as long, either....

Personally, I find the whole format offensive, or at least divisive and annoying. Railing against "the other side" is rarely productive-- it just serves to deepen the divisions that tear the country apart. I expect that sort of ugliness from conservatives, but not from progressives. We need to seek solutions, not stoke the anger.

[tburnsten]

76. Here here!

I am adding you to my friends list now. A voice of sense against statements like "the republican party and the kkk are one and the same".

Gotta have a tiny bit of restraint and put just a small amount of thought into the sentences that come out of your mouth, otherwise you come out looking like a wackjob. Our party has 'em as well.

[johnaries]

131. Hate speech is not Free Speech.

When you advocate murder because of someone's beliefs, that's Hate Speech.

[theboss]

134. And it's protected

Advocating murder is fine.
Inciting murder is not.

[PDJane]

22. advocating the shooting of those who disagree

with you is hate speech, and life becomes a lot more civilized when these folks aren't around to stoke the violence.

[warren pease]

23. You can either be a victim or be prepared to shoot back. But consider...

Do you really want your life to end at the hands of a delusional fundie idiot whose empty, fear-driven existence is one long tribute to violence, revenge and slavish adherence to the ravings of $50 million, 50,000 watt fraudulent armchair warriors?

The ones who have decided that it's open season on any member of those despised groups the far right has been kind enough to identify for us. And now they're starting to dispatch their moronic proxies on killing sprees so they can live out their fantasies of enforcing reactionary ideological purity.

What possible purpose would be served if you were to be murdered by a Darwinian mistake who hasn't risen much above the sea cucumber?

I'm no GI Joe or even much of a shot. But I just can't handle the idea of giving a winger imbecile any control over my life whatsoever, much less allowing them to end it.

Your thoughts may vary; it would be pretty odd if they didn't. It's very weird for me because I was a dedicated gun grabber and wouldn't allow one in my house until a year ago.


wp

[BreweryYardRat]

35. I'm going to pick something up as soon as I can scrape together the money.

However, I'm more worried about some RW lunatic walking onto my college campus and opening up on random students than I am about one confronting me face-to-face.

[tburnsten]

38. Do yourself a favor

And make sure you have a good place to practice, and if you dislike the NRA, remember that the NRA proper is simply a safety and training organization, their political action group is a separate entity and any money that you might have to pay for a basic pistol course (in my area $50) goes mostly to the instructors and the range the class takes place at, and the NRA is unable to use any of the money that it does get from that to further any political goals, under pain of it's loss of non-profit status. The NRA-ILA is the legislative branch, they are different.

But there are some killer deals to be had if you look in the right places for them, for instance CDNN has CZ 40B pistols for $289 new, they are easily a $500-650 pistol quality wise but the project never saw fruition so CZ dumped all the 40B pistols they had made for cheap. The FNP can be had from them as well for $380-435 new, another excellent pistol.

Just be sure to research what you buy and don't be taken in by any gunstore commandoes you may meet. If they praise a brand to the high heavens and damn other reputable manufacturers to hell then you may need to take some salt while you're there.

People in the guns forum are willing to help out, a thread may not be suitable because of a lack of policy relations but PM people who seem to know what's up, they'll be friendly and helpful.

[mwb970]

75. It's pretty sad when we have to arm ourselves against fellow Americans.

Didn't we take care of this in the 1860s? Or is it time for Civil War II?

I am convinced that the greatest enemy America faces (among many) is the army of right-wing nutjobs that is being urged daily to "kill liberals, kill liberals, kill liberals" by the many, many voices of conservative hate spewing out of our corporate-owned radio stations.

Remember that idiotic "it's appeasement, Chris! It's appeasement" right-wing fool we laughed at a few months ago? There are hundreds of idiots just like him on the radio every day, spurring their cretinous, sheeplike listeners into mindless anti-liberal violence.

Crap like this would never occur in an enlightened country (CoughEuropeCough), but "enlightened" is not a word I would use to describe America at this point in history. "Stupid", yes. "Crippled by toxic religion", yes. But "enlightened"? That just ain't America, folks.

[tburnsten]

80. Or you could just arm yourself for fun

Shooting is very relaxing and when you apply the fundamentals and shoot a great group it inspires some pride and satisfaction, like any other difficult, concentration-requiring task. It is a fairly expensive hobby, but all the skills you acquire from recreational shooting can serve you well if you ever are unfortunate enough to find yourself in a truly shitty situation.

Just my take on it. You'd have to try shooting some time to understand how relaxing it is though, plus breaking the gun down and getting it clean afterwards is a small task that feels good to carry out. Takes focus at a low level, lets you concentrate on the job at hand and forget about day-to-day life while you are doing it. Feels refreshing to me.

[warren pease]

117. Yeah... But sad or not, I'm not interested in letting mindless fundie slobs make the rules. n/t

[bushisanidiot]

98. I've thought about how to defend myself as well. My gf and her son live out in the country and

just recently had a scare. Someone knocked on her door at 4:30am and she ran and hid and called the police. I have an Obama sticker on my car, so I'm basically advertising to all the right wing cooks that drive by that a democrat lives there. What would we do if someone got violent with us out in the country? Wait for the police to get there? I'm ready to fight back.

[tburnsten]

100. I wouldn't worry so much about RW nutters

as I would about general crookery, people tend to be far away from help in rural areas, not that urban areas are any better (Kitty Genovese) but the lack of traffic and out-of-earshot neighbors can be encouraging for violent individuals and also typical burglars.

At 4:30 AM it wasn't a burglar, it was either a neighbor or someone fully willing to do harm to the inhabitants. My money is on neighbor of some sort but 4:30 is waaaaaay to early to be answering the door without a serious situation control device in hand.

[tburnsten]

25. Well, there is one good way to keep yourself safe

from people like the nut who shot up the church in Tennessee, and that is to own and learn to be proficient with a firearm. I know many don't like to think about it, but realistically the only way to prevent the demise of yourself or those around you from a psychotic individual like that hell bent on killing people over political views is to ensure that you are capable of delivering good hits to their center of mass before they deliver hits to your center of mass. It requires some changes to your day to day life, but nothing major.

[Divine Discontent]

32. I'm starting to believe I should do what you suggest

It is something I've long fought over inside, and I fear them a bit, but without a great ability for a martial art (and I don't believe I can physically), the gun may be my only option as a backup for protecting myself only in the most extreme of threats.

[tburnsten]

34. Well not everyone is Jet Li or Steven Segall

But everyone with use of their arms can learn to be acceptably proficient with a gun if they are willing to put some time and effort into it. And it really helps to set aside any preconcieved notions you may have about gunowners being racist or women beaters or hyper-christians or sociopaths or what have you (I've seen quite a few out there statements about guns and those who own them before. Never grounded in fact or justified), since you really do have to ask for help during your crawl-walk-run process of learning to shoot well. Respnsibility and safety is key. Pop on over to the guns forum sometime, it can get a little hot over there but for the most part it's all good. And anyone knowledgeable about firearms over there would be more than willing to help you out via PMs in figuring out where to get started.

Violence is an awful thing, but that doesn't mean it is always wrong. Sometimes the best outcome of a situation is for the instigator to be shot until he no longer presents a threat to the people he is attacking. And even if you are in tip-top shape and a martial arts expert, it is always a person's responsibility to protect their family and those who can't protect themselves. Police in our country are generally good people, they try to do what they can, but multiple supreme court rulings have stated that they are under no obligation to protect anyone.


And it takes time for them to get to you.

[Divine Discontent]

37. (last point) exactly.. esp. where I am. eom

[rgbecker]

39. Please wear a white hat when you draw your gun....

I don't want to end up killing good guys by mistake.

[tburnsten]

40. HA! if you can't tell the difference

between a guy shooting up a crowd of innocent victims and a guy shooting defensively to stop said shooter then I really don't think you'd be bright enough to determine when you need to use lethal force.

Besides, concealed carry permit holders are such a small group that it is extremely unlikely that two of us would be part of a group targeted for a mass shooting. Besides, suicidal socipathic mass murderers probably don't bother taking cover, while an individual shooting to protect himself and those around him will almost certainly value their own life enough to stay behind cover and not just run around in the open like some sort of SWAT wannabe jackass. I know I personally wouldn't take a shot if I thought there was a chance of hitting someone I didn't intend to.

[OwnedByFerrets]

72. SO, we should all walk around like

gunslingers in the wild west....wtih guns on our hips. This is the Monkeyboy mentality all over again. That would have the streets running with blood. Amerika has too many "cowboys" as it is without arming them in the streets.:puke:

[tburnsten]

81. Or we could all stereotype each other

and make offensive statements showing just how little we understand the post we are responding to.

Who is "them"? I am talking about responsible adults learning how to shoot and taking at least a basic pistol course or some other basic shooting course (usually an inexpensive two day class with some range time on the second day) and getting licensed to carry if they desire. It isn't for everyone, but owning a gun does not make someone a "cowboy" or a "gunslinger" or a "monkeyboy" or whatever other insults you'd like to dish out.

Sorry, you fail.

[LanternWaste]

108. The day I purchase a firearm is the day I give in to fear...

The day I purchase a firearm is the day I give in to fear, paranoia and cynicism.

(Not that I'm advocating taking away those precious, little pieces of machined metal from our patriotic buckaroo's-- heavens no!)

[tburnsten]

109. Yeah, because only scared people enjoy shooting

[LanternWaste]

116. No more nor no less than

"only scared people enjoy shooting"

No more nor no less than "only the unarmed are victims..." which appears to be the current, trendy meme thrown against those who choose to exercise their rights by not purchasing a firearm.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other and all that...

[tburnsten]

119. Doesn't look like it's "against" anyone

It seems more true than an indictment of someone who doesn't want to own a firearm. When was the last time there was a story about a concealed carry permit holder killed while they had a fighting chance? All I read about are permit holders like Jean Assam and the off duty officer in the Salt Lake City mall and the two fellows in the Appalachian School of Law incident stopping murderous rampages cold with brave, properly equipped responses. Actually the off duty officer wasn't really properly equipped, he wasn't carrying a spare magazine and so he ran out of ammo before backup arrived, but he still contained the attempted mass murderer and prevented an untold number of deaths, even though he was signifcantly outgunned (the shooter was carrying a rifle, he had a seven or eight shot pistol).

It is disingenous of you to try and equate your smear of all who own guns as "scared" with the FACT that people who don't carry a gun are more susceptible to traumatic events like murder and life-threatening beatings.

Sorry but real world circumstances have shown that permit holders are overwhelmingly more responsible than the rest of the population, and we even hit the right target far more times than police do. Police shoot the wrong person far more often than permit holders, which is probably because while officers respond to a crime, permit holders only shoot to protect the lives of themselves and those around them when they happen to be caught in the middle of a situation. It's easier to properly identify the person needing some high-speed metallic infusions when you witness and are a part of the entire event than when you show up at the end of it.

[LanternWaste]

124. Not disingenuous at all...

Not disingenuous at all since the initial statement "The day I give in to fear..." was applicable and specific to me and to me only-- I neither implied nor stated it was a general catch-all rule aimed at all gun-owners.

I did not imply is or is not responsible, who does or does not shoot the wrong person, or any of the other myriad accusations you (incorrectly) inferred.

Take it as initially stated or don't... your call. However, for my part I'm a bit weary of explaining the obvious to someone who, for whatever reason, feels vilified by a statement I made about myself.

Edited: Grammar.

[tburnsten]

125. My mistake, I read it as a general statement

It's a typical claim often made by people who dislike civilian gun ownership for whatever reason, so I missed that you were only talking about yourself.

[Triana]

27. Domestic. Terrorists. n/t

[bluerum]

28. Just scratching the surface of some of the more "mainstream asshats".

[JimmyJubes]

29. Great post

The Hatemongers on the right may be few but to a civilized society they are many.

[mudesi]

30. kick (nm)

[nashville_brook]

41. it's not just the specific calls to violence -- it's the constant mantra of annihilation

their whole dialectic is about eliminating the Democrats. we are less than human. we are to blame for everything wrong in the world. it is somehow a good listener's duty to participate in cleansing society of us. that they don't everyday have a segment on disemboweling Democrats is beside the point. freedom of speech doesn't extend to devoting our airwaves to this.

[sinkingfeeling]

82. It's the process of demonization of a group of people. It is exactly what the Nazi's used.

Hitler never came right out and called for killing the Jews. His propagandists just constantly demonized them. The Jews became the source of all of Germany's problems in the minds of the 'Good Germans'. That is what the radical Right is doing with their definition of 'liberal'.

[givemebackmycountry]

42. I have been saying this on DU for years now...

If Bush or Cheney stepped up to a podium during prime time, and they told America that the country was in peril, and we need to eliminate all of the "liberals and Democrats" the first one of us would fall before they finished their speech.

The next day when Rush/Hannity/Savage repeated the call, it would be ON.

We would be stacked up like cord-wood in every Starbucks Nationwide.
You know, because that's where the "dirty liberals" hang out.

I fear for B.O. - there's a reason why the SS looks so serious when he gets in front of a crowd.
The security at Invesco that Thursday night in August is going to be intense.

I've always been scared of this.

[Divine Discontent]

48. I agree, it will be a very interesting ride from here on out.

I pray for BO every few days. We CLEARLY see the hate in these comments above, and the random acts of murder against people who are vilified for their beliefs. Why would we think America would be any different than the rest of the world where virtual death squads go about the towns looking for people who (fill in the blank of hateful reasons).

GOD BLESS US ALL, AND BO!

[Agent William]

43. living in a small consevtive town...

I always get that vary distinct feeling that if the local towns people had the power to do so, they would kill me and my family in an instant. I'm not kidding! They would! Its so blatantly obvious that they are intimidated by intelligence.

In closing, I am somewhat conditioned to there threats. I find the best approach is to increase what ever your doing to agitate them. Oh yeah, and don't forget to swear as much as possible...they absolutely hate it! B-)

[Divine Discontent]

51. that's some creepy stuff...

I pray for your safety... I laughed when I read that you said, "increase whatever you're doing to agitate them"... funny stuff.

[Agent William]

65. ...

I don't think they would ever try anything... but in a hypothetical country where they could get away with murder, that might be a different story. The good news is that many of us would more likely than not have already left that hypothetical country. :-)

Thanks for the post. :hi:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

62. How is agitating them the best approach?

Especially if you think they'd kill you if they had the power to do so. Power or will?

And every other word out of my wingnut Jesus-freak neighbor's mouth is 'fuck.'

[Agent William]

64. As I see it, and also from experience.

Conservative types around here are suckers for anyone who is forceful or "tough". Thats why you see people around here (and elsewhere) falling in line behind Rush, Bush and religion. I find that if you can come across as some how dominant they will all of a sudden listen and almost show respect. Its strange, but if I show they that I know I'm write it changes their outlooks, IMO Over the years I have tried counter-brainwashing techniques; it works until they listen to an hour of Rush. :banghead:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

112. How do they lack the power?

I'm pretty sure a town full of people with the intent you say they have could come and kill you and your family quite easily unless you live in a fortified structure with lots of firearms.

David

[tburnsten]

118. I really think you are overestimating

their reaction to you, and I also really think you are overestimating your own importance as an object of dislike. What you are noticing may just be curiousity, remember in a very small town people may seem socially awkward to you if you have come from a more populous area then you may not expect to have people pay any attention to you at all.

[theboss]

135. Ya know, if my neighbors wanted to murder me...I might move

Just saying.

By the way...West Virginia? Maybe....hmmm.....Pendleton County?

[RedLetterRev]

46. About 5 years ago I put up a site with some volunteers

where we analyzed FCC data and hate radio. We crossed low-power licenses with ownership and noted a huge trend toward cultish churches and small groups snapping up low-cost and free licenses to propagate hate-speech. We tried to get the word out about the FCC hiding ownership data and how it was damnear impossible with the "public" databases to ascertain true ownership and stockholder share information. In short, the "public" FCC databases are intentionally useless. We did our best to geolocate and pinpoint incidents of hate activity with hate radio.

Nobody gave a shit way back then, so I finally gave up and closed the site.

I'm sitting on a mountain of old data if anyone still gives a shit and wants to revive the project. I'm telling you now that it involves a load of computing power and a load of manual work. The FCC public databases are intentionally bullshit and it takes a lot of combing through to get ownership to match actual stations and actual locations. It takes a load of computing power and a load of programming (which I did and am still sitting on) and a load of care and manual checking to get it all to trace back to incidents of hate crimes to hate radio broadcasts.

It can be done, I'm willing to revive the project, but it takes people to do it. The data can be refreshed and the programming polished, but I can. Not. Do it alone. It's just too big.

[Divine Discontent]

50. I fully understand...

they spew so much filt there's loads of data! My hats off to your efforts. Even if you can put them in the reference section of this board somehow, or hopefully get some volunteers to help do more with what you have, that would be great.

[Smarmie Doofus]

54. Can you repost this as a new thread?

It deserves more attention than it will get here.

Interest is currently high... but will taper off as the memory of the latest political murder fades.

Might be a good idea to also crosspost it : GD and Media forums. In media it will linger longer.

[tburnsten]

55. I second the motion!

Sounds like a great idea, and GD is not a good place for anything that might be best as a longterm thread.

[tburnsten]

56. K&R

[RedLetterRev]

79. At your suggestion, I did make the first new OP

here.

We'll see what happens. Maybe it's an idea which time has come. I'm always too far ahead of the curve on these things and sometimes the seed takes an awfully long time to germinate. Thanks for your kind encouragement.

[bonito]

49. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmR0V6s3NKk&e

And don't miss this one http://www.sharelinks.eu/story.php?title=the-hubble-deep-field--the-most-important-image-ever-taken-1 forget the intermission if you like but I find it entertaining the message though gives prospective.

[CitizenPatriot]

52. hate speech

"Hate speech, as long as it is not a clear and present danger to the safety of others or advocating immediate violence, is protected under the constitution."

I can see how calling for the murder of someone would lose you your right to free speech, no?

I remember the KKK came to a town I lived in to march. They did it every year. It was a very liberal town and we spent oodles of tax money protecting them and their free speech....until one year, we'd had enough of the riots and the b.s. that always came up afterwards (not to mention the sick feeling in your gut knowing they were descending on your town and spewing hate against values you would die to protect). We all voted and said no. it was HIGHLY publicized within the little town and a heated debate -- for liberals to say "No!" to the KKK. But we did.

Secretly, I was proud that day that we could see past the rhetoric, into the soul of the matter. I guess that makes me a bad person. I know we aren't supposed to make judgments like that; but then again, I ask myself where is the logic? These people murdered people in the name of hate. Why should their right to speech be protected? Where's the honor and civility in that? I'm supposed to shut my eyes and heart to the past and say that since they aren't murdering anyone RIGHT now, it's OK? You know, my mind doesn't work that way. They did what they did and these are the consequences. That makes sense to me.

Personally, it twisted me up to have those people marching down the streets. I was glad to not have those feelings for at least one year.

[Dinger]

53. K'd, R'd, B'd

Kicked, Rec'd, bookmarked!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. thank you for posting this - I didn't realize how pervasive it was. Recommended.

the media truly has been taken over.

[Chulanowa]

59. K&R

Let's keep this rock turned

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. Kick and recommended -- very important !!!!!

[struggle4progress]

61. it's a too short a step from mass-produced hate speech to political murder:

as we know from examples like Nazi Germany in the 1930s and Serbia in the 1990s

[sasquatch]

66. That's why I never understood why so many people here are anti-gun

Do you really want to be unarmed when all these psychopaths followers are in an anarchic event in this country?

[calimary]

67. Kicked, Recommended, Bookmarked, and Emailed to myself.

I wanna be able to find this one later.

We ALL should.

[The Animator]

68. I have a suggestion that might help tip the balance on a small scale.

Since the change from objective journalism to propaganda was so gradual here in the US, many of us are unaware that anything is different about they way we get our news. Much like a frog sitting in a pot of slowly warming water, we sit comfortably ignorant of the fact that we are being boiled alive. I believe that, left to their own devices many Americans would favor common sense over what passes for political analysis on American TV, but they have been gradually manipulated by information sources they trusted to be neutral. Instead of being allowed to make up their own minds, the hosts of these show make it up for them, by allowing rw guests to lie without being challenge, yet interrupt and shout down anyone that disagrees. By and large American audiences have forgotten what real news is supposed to look like.

Expose your friends, relatives, and co-workers on the right to real news. Not just what passes for mainstream news in the US, and I'm not talking about blogs, or internet news sites that can be dismissed and fringe, or biased. I'm talking actual legitimate balanced news... where to get such a thing you ask? Europe of course, where the castles aren't made of plastic.

You've all gotten e-mails from these guys, you know the kind of emails that you can only get three lines into before pegging the needle on you rw bullshit meter. Next time you have a topical conversation with these people, listen politely, disagree if you must, but feign ignorance on details. Then look it up on the BBC, Reuters, Interfax (they require a subscription though) or (NPR if they won't read anything "unAmerican"). This is where the rest of the world gets their news from. No news source is %100 neutral, but viewing a current event from a different vantage point might shake things up a bit.

Send an e-mail back to these guys with a link to an objective and truly balanced article. Tell them that you appreciated their insights and found some stuff online that you thought they might be interested in. Do it often enough, and to enough people, and a few might realize what they've been missing. Especially if you include an article or two about the influence of "American Infotainment on US politics"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/?ok

http://www.reuters.com/

http://www.interfax.com/

http://www.npr.org/

[Ian_rd]

69. And meanwhile, we await a motive for the murder of the Arkansas Dem Party Chairman

... he was just shot to death by a man who supposedly has no criminal record. The shooter sought him out specifically. The shooter was killed by police in a shoot-out afterward.

[Mad_Dem_X]

71. Thank you for this

It's terrifying and infuriating at the same time. These people - who have radio shows and TV shows and newspaper columns and publishers for their books - are advocating violence and death to those with liberal viewpoints. It's disgusting.

[greenpagan1]

73. Rightwing Radioheads

Just like Dr. Goebbels...

====

[D23MIURG23]

74. Personally, I find it funny.

These people are a bunch of cowards trying to look bold by making outrageous statements from the safety of thier studios. Most of thier followers are exactly the same as they are. They act tough when they are safe, but if they actually found themselves in a confrontation, they would be scurrying home to hide behind their assault rifles.

Gays, Black People, and new ideas terrify these cretins. This is why they hate us so much.

[tburnsten]

84. Excuse me.

I find a good amount of your statement highly offensive. Just because the swine advocating murder most likely own guns doesn't mean you can just smear all gun owners by pretending they are one and the same.

Check this thread out for evidence of that, entitled African-American involvement in the shooting sports-

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=384909


Started by what appears to be a young kid who was wondering why he doesn't see a proportionate amount of black shooters at ranges, despite his area being a good one and from the sound of it a non-urban environment, meaning there are probably plenty of places to shoot and no institutionalized bias against firearms ownership.

[D23MIURG23]

132. I own 2: a 12 GA and a .22 long rifle

I can see how my post may have come across as anti-gun, but my intent was really more aimed at small minds and small courage. I'm fairly certain that a subset of gun owners got theirs as a security blanket to assuage thier xenophobic hysteria; I don't mean to assert that this is true of all gun owners.

[tburnsten]

139. Thanks for the clarification

I like to burst soda bottles full of water with my AR, it's tremendously fun, and while the rest of my guns are all short-range items because of the lack of long ranges I can shoot at (shotgun and a .22 as well as a few handguns) with the AR if I do happen to get lucky and find a good 100 yard or longer range I can practice shooting long, which as you probably know is a whole different animal than shooting pistols and shotguns. Clays are incredibly fun, but I'm terrible at it so far. I don't hunt so I have no personal need for a rifle powerful enough to cleanly kill a medium-large animal like a deer or moose, plus .223 is about the cheapest non-steel cased rifle ammunition out there.


So my AR is definitely not a security blanket, though I do have a carry permit and often carry. There have been an unusual number of seemingly random murders and maimings in my area this year, I'm not sure why that is but I don't really feel like being caught with my pants down when I'm away from populated areas.

[DailyGrind51]

78. You never hear the same appeals for violence by progressives!

[helderheid]

83. rec 101

[agentS]

87. This is how the Rwanadan genocide began.

Basically, you have hate radio, hate-oriented media blasting propaganda about a group 24/7 into the minds of a people.
And lo and behold, a few of them start killing. But it doesn't stop with a few. Soon it becomes a few more, then the retaliations occur.
And then you have deaths by the hundreds, thousands, and finally full-scale civil war.

that's what these Rethugs want- our heads on a stick. Once we're dead or refugees in the EU or Caribbean, they can go around tearing up the environment, each other, and finally other nations.

[texastoast]

102. I can surely make folks with sane brains

Want the hell out while we can get out.

And I'm sure that would just overjoy the rethugs.

And, well, I just can't have that. :evilgrin:

[tburnsten]

103. Oh no no we've got a beautiful country

[SIMPLYB1980]

88. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

This shit makes me extremely angry!:mad:

[myrna minx]

90. K&R n/t

[L0oniX]

91. The republican flag...

[SIMPLYB1980]

92. Yep.

[bagrman]

93. It's part of the training for the good Germans, they won't lift a finger

Once the gooberment comes to round us up.

Latr

[AlphaCentauri]

94. Signs of the decadence of the empire

K/R

[raccoon]

95. Rec'd. Great post. nt

[norepubsin08]

99. To me it would be best to charge them with

Racketeering. The good thing about that is the judgements in a civil action are tripled and the criminal penalty is greater because of the conspiracy element.

[tburnsten]

101. Good idea

Though I don't know if conspiracy charges would stick, due to the fact that it is one person communicating, the actors don't communicate back.

[jeff30997]

104. Yep.

Good old RICO should do the trick with those thugs.

Or in the case of OxyRush Limpballs the DEA should get him:

[mcg]

105. "I was a walking, talking hunk of human shit." - Ted Nugent

Nugent's Nuggets! (The Mother Load)

http://www.thedailypage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42721

High Times, October 1977: How did you get out of the draft?

Nugent: ... Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar and go play army? Give me a break! ...

I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’ and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered shit, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. Shit, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin’ dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I’m gonna play their own game, and I’m gonna destroy ‘em. Now my whole body is crusted in shit and piss. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin’ awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded mother fucker. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn’t know and I’m vacuuming that shit right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human shit. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was – ‘cause I was really into bein’ clean and on the ball – I made gutter swine hippies look like football payers. I was deviano.

So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You fuckin’ swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t piss, But my shit was just like ooze, man, so I shit in the cup and put it on the counter. I had shit on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin’ up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin’ up. So I went home and cleaned up.

They took a putty knife to me. I got the street rats out of my hair, ate some good steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple of days and I was ready to kick ass. And in the mail I got this big juicy 4-F. They’d call dead people before they’d call my ass. But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherfuckin’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it. I was too busy doin’ my own thing, you know?

Why does anyone buy this crap from this hypocritical conman? He gives new meaning to the word chickenshit, and he's so proud of killing defenseless animals from a distance with a gun, as if that shows whatever. He owns a fenced facility that sells "canned hunts" where the animal can't even run away.

More on his hypocrisy ...

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=22533

Nugent's first wife was a 16 year old Hawaiian woman (reference "Behind the Music-Ted Nugent' by VH1). He wanted to do her so he went to her parents and became her legal gaurdian and nailed it (and everything else he could) until she was of legal marrying age. Then he married her and continue to nail everything he could (Nugent openly admits his vice is women, but for the moral crusader that he is, he should stop being a p***y and get help for his vice and stop going after everyone else). This makes him a bona fide child molester-she was under age, and worse-he was her legal guardian which crosses every legal line I can think of. Nugent is a hypocrite and a d***. Check your facts before you respond-he himself, and his wife recount the story in separate interviews in the same segment in the same show. These are the facts.

[BrklynLiberal]

106. K & R. These guys are the REAL terrorists inthis country!!!!

These people had websites with "WANTED" posters for physicians who performed abortion. This resulted in the assassination of several doctors.
So much for the sanctity of life.:puke:

[BrklynLiberal]

107. I ws just reminded of that guy who shot up the UU church because he "hated Liberals"

..and guess whose books he had: The hate mongers you mentioned above.

[JohnWxy]

110. recommended. This needs to be exposed and discussed clinically on the web. You won't find anybody

in corporate media who will dare bring this up. PBS has been cowed to a large extent by the fascist party (GOP) so they too are leery of offending the psycho-fascist Rabid Right. Slugs like limbaugh and his clones have given a certain legitimacy to ignorance - just by saying this stuff on the air and getting away (without being called on it or 'paying' for it). Politicians who say this sort of thing should be questioned by the FBI and put on a watch list - in other words treated seriously. Because it is serious (especially when someone in politics or government office says this crap.) There are simple headed people out there who can be influenced by this sort of talk (we have one playing president right now - he's controlled by the talk of Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rove to name a few). The guy in Arkansas is only the latest example.

These slugs like Limbaugh and his clones should be called on this kind of talk. At least expose it and discuss it clinically. It's a sign of psychological aberration which tends to promulgate more abberrant behavior. About the only crack in the edifice of corporate media I know of is Air America. But perhaps from the inter-net a movement against the Raging Right can be started based on demanding that this kind of talk be treated serioulsy as inciting to riot is, or shouting fire in a public buildiing. Anytime someone calls for physical assault up to murder it should not be treated as some kindof cute hyperbole. Comedians can't say the famous 6 socially unnacceptable words - slime-baullgh shouldn't be able to incite people to commit murder.

[tburnsten]

111. K&R

[Rocknrule]

114. And yet they turn around and say videogames and rap lyrics are too dangerous to be protected speech

The irony is off the fucking charts

[tburnsten]

120. Oh I know

When I go home I am going to install a 15# mainspring and competition hammer in my new CZ 40B, and then settle in for some Nas and Rainbow Six.

[Odin2005]

121. Demonization is the first step towards genocide.

These hate-mongers need to be made to shut shup.

[fascisthunter]

122. It Worked Well in Rwanda

and it is exactly what the right wing media is trying to do here in the US.

[fascisthunter]

123. And What is our Congress Trying to do about It????

exactly... not even a fucking peep

[tburnsten]

126. K&R

[tburnsten]

127. KKKKKKKKKK&&&&&&&&RRRRRRRRRRR

[tburnsten]

128. kkrr

[tburnsten]

129. KKKRRR

[Divine Discontent]

130. thank you for all the K&R's, these verbal orders to harm Democrats are incredibly insidious

and evil minded, so thank you for taking note of them.

take care, friend...

[tburnsten]

140. No problem Martyred

Can't be letting people run around attempting to incite the murder of their political opponents. We live in a country that has gone a very long time without a president refusing to leave office when it is their time, which truly sets us apart from all other nations. It has never happened in fact.

I'll see you around the forums and if you do decide to pursue getting a firearm, remember recreation is by far the best and most satisfying use for one, defense is an auxiliary use it just happens to be the best tool for, and do your homework before buying.

[bunkerbuster1]

137. Mo' kick.

I want these cites copy/pasted on news blogs everywhere. I want these fuckers outed.

[tburnsten]

142. kick-kick

[tburnsten]

143. double-kick

[Joanne98]

138. Here's some more. Look at the comment section. I'm so sick of this.

I HATE not fighting back. It kills me!!!!!!!!!

Posted on March 13, 2007 by Dan (Fitness)
David at Orcinus has a really really important post up. Read the whole thing. It consists mainly of categorized eliminationist quotes. Here are a few choice quotes:

Melanie Morgan: “I would have no problem with being sent to the gas chamber.”

RedState contributor “Thomas Crown”:

I repeat: Should the entire American Left fall over dead tomorrow, I would rejoice, and order pizza to celebrate. They are not my countrymen; they are animals who happen to walk upright and make noises that approximate speech. They are below human. I look forward to seeing each and every one in Hell.

Joe M. Richardson, letter to Editor and Publisher:

The duped soldier should be put at the very front of the action, no armor. The cooperating sergeant’s career should be over and maybe become MIA. Pitts and all his cronies should be executed as traitors. We are fighting a war, the debate is over, you’re either for us or against us, there is no middle ground. I say start executing the leftists in our country, soon.

Rush Limbaugh: “I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus — living fossils — so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

Those are just a few quotes from the first section. (And people get upset about the use of the word “fuck”!).


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« Cheney: Lie Layer Cake Democrats: Cowardice, or Crazy Like a Fox? »29 Responses to “Eliminationism: Kill All Liberals”
middlescott, on March 13th, 2007 at 3:02 am Said:
These are the same 30-35% who think Bush is doing a good job, and the same deluded bunch who still think the war in Iraq was not a mistake.

I wouldn’t worry about them too much as they are the lowest common denominator. And though I certainly don’t want them dead, I do wish we could combine Alabama and Arkasas and give them their own country.

Middlescott
http://poppoliticos.wordpress.com/

Censorship, Ethics and Freedom « Fitness for the Occasion, on March 13th, 2007 at 6:44 am Said:
<...> have written before about eliminationist speech and it’s consequences. I firmly believe that a horrible line is crossed when those in power <...>

Censur Net, on March 13th, 2007 at 7:03 am Said:
<...> have written before about eliminationist speech and it’s consequences. I firmly believe that a horrible line is crossed when those in power <...>

fitnessfortheoccasion, on March 14th, 2007 at 11:54 pm Said:
I don’t think we can categorize that whole segment of true-believers (in Bush). Simply the pundits who sell the far Right to the 30% often accuse the left of being downright rabid.

The point of fact is that we occasionally spit where they foam and bite.

Traitor-Speak: Whoa There, Conservaboy! « Fitness for the Occasion, on March 20th, 2007 at 4:48 am Said:
<...> Check out the comments thread here for a few examples of eliminationist rhetoric aimed at <...>

Eat Shit, on May 12th, 2007 at 12:02 am Said:
To you leftists on this board, and I mean this very seriously.

When do you FUCKS want to get it on? Hmmm??

Today good for you?

fitnessfortheoccasion, on May 15th, 2007 at 4:47 pm Said:
I approved that comment ES mostly on account of my appreciation for your eloquence.

For practical purposes, do you want to “get it on” as in:
sex
debate
fight
or sexy fight
?

jim, on May 20th, 2007 at 3:16 pm Said:
Yes, the left should be eliminated. They could and would not defend their own families, let alone fight their way out of a wet paperbag. Go on to a “conservative” blog and look at all the death threats these litttle flunkies post. The only thing is that they hide behind computers. There should be a civil war and I wonder who would win?! You can’t stop lead with death threats and little hate filled signs. Keep in mind that almost all of our military is “conservative”. Good luck pussies your going to need it!!!!!!!!!

jim, on May 20th, 2007 at 3:25 pm Said:
P.S. not a liberal and not conservative. Just a person who can actually think for himself and not get brainwashed by either. I have noticed that the left is the new “party” of hate when it used to be the right.

fitnessfortheoccasion, on May 20th, 2007 at 10:43 pm Said:
Jim, lashing out at middle east countries is not defending our country. If there was a civil war, we’d at least fight the actual aggressors. But that is quite beside the point.

Why should people be killed for their beliefs Jim?

Angela, on July 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 am Said:
I served in the Air Force and I am not a conservative. I believed in upholding the Bill Of Rights and protecting the rights of the American people no matter what beliefs they hold. I guess in today’s military you just uphold the rights of people you happen to agree with? I do not believe in allowing my tax funded military to fight wars that benefit multi billion dollar corporations. So yes Jim, let’s get it on you pussy. I served my country. What about you? Of course I actually believe in freedom and democracy.

Bri, on November 27th, 2007 at 5:37 am Said:
Liberals are the enemy and should be snuffed out with every opportunity. If you know a liberal in your workplace work to get them fired. If you know a liberal-run business do what you can to run them out of business. Keep them stuck in their homes and in the virtual world where losers belong.

Rafael, on November 28th, 2007 at 7:10 am Said:
Bri…that was hilarious….I mean way to go to prove a point, brilliant, in its simplistic stupidity, a contradiction in terms, I know (and long run on sentences with badly places commas) but brilliant none the less. Of course, I got to wonder, what would happen if you take out the word “liberal” and plug in the word “conservative” in your above statement? The world wonders….

in2thefray, on November 29th, 2007 at 9:57 pm Said:
But in a full disclosure kind of way there are those on the Left that say the same thing about those on the Right. right?

Rafael, on November 29th, 2007 at 10:12 pm Said:
Please show me, so I may tell them a thing or two. The difference is that this has become part of the hardcore far-right culture, the extermination of the “other” as viable or worthy goal.

fitnessfortheoccasion, on December 1st, 2007 at 9:44 pm Said:
Second Rafael here. This is part and parcel of right wing culture. And show me the so called liberals who say these things. I can show you a mountain of conservatives who do, including talk show hosts, radio djs, and politicians.

Michael D, on December 1st, 2007 at 10:28 pm Said:
Wasn’t the CNN GOP debate a subtle example of that???

Joe Momma, on April 9th, 2008 at 11:24 pm Said:
All liberals should be killed with extreme prejudice. DIE NOW ASSHOLES!

Dan (Fitness), on April 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pm Said:
Continuing to show the very best the lunatic far right extremists have to offer. Well done Joe.

Scott, on June 16th, 2008 at 8:18 pm Said:
Angela,
are you saying that because Jim may not have served his country that he does not have the right to speak his mind ?

Dan (Fitness), on June 18th, 2008 at 1:25 am Said:
Scott,
I can’t speak for Angela, but my read on it is that Jim is spouting typically fanatical right wing bull while swaggering as much as his keyboard will allow. He comes across as a chickenhawk of the worst sort.

Of course everyone has the right to speak their mind. But calling for violence when you yourself are unwilling to sacrifice is an invitation to be mocked, or at the very least, questioned.

Your Face, on June 25th, 2008 at 11:10 pm Said:
Death to liberals and conservatives…Long live fascism!
Look at me, I’m posting a brilliant prose over an all important internet site that the entire world looks at every day. My opinions are so important and decided the outcome of generations.

Dan (Fitness), on July 2nd, 2008 at 3:48 pm Said:
Your Face,
You are my sarcastic hero.
::bow::

Brian Sullivan Calabasas, CA, on August 10th, 2008 at 7:42 pm Said:
I know this comment will get banned in 5 minutes (free speech, eh?) but I have to say that liberals claim that the are “open to diversity” but only on a physical level. If you believe in something other than what they do, they label you as a “redneck conservative” (though I live in California *choke). Conservatives do this too, such as calling liberals (Jane Fonda, John Kerry aren’t you proud of your followers) communists which quite honestly some of you believe in (I see people wearing Che Guevara shirts promoting the rape and murder of innocent people and yet some liberals call our troops and our president sadistic bastards.

Another issue is how damn P.C. our world has become. Now, if a white republican refers to an African American person as a “N****r, the world stops and yet black people call each other that (all leftists) in music daily! It’s unbelievable!

I am 15 years old and I live in Calabasas, CA. I expect this comment will get deleted as it is a right-wing point-of-view. I will probably get comments from liberals whose balls haven’t dropped saying how I have so much to learn but the fact is they know its true. They just find some way of distorting what a conservative says and repeats it enough as if they are trying to convince the conservative who said it that what they actually said was a terrible thing. All liberals who read this and think that I am a naive conservative who “clings to my guns and religions” you can go back to the ’60’s where you belong.

Dan (Fitness), on August 11th, 2008 at 12:28 am Said:
Brian,

Congratulations on your balls dropping. (I am assuming because you are wary of pre-pubescent critics).

As you can tell by some of the nastier comments in this thread, I don’t ban based on political content. (I only block spam comments, although I often will simply remove the spam links and allow the comment if its clear the comment is relevant to the post).

This post was aimed at targeting eliminationism. It should be fought wherever it rears its head, whether aimed at liberals or conservatives. From your comment its difficult to determine where exactly you stand on that specific issue. It seems like you have a lot of anger at liberals (and preconceptions about them) that you wanted to get off your chest. I’m not certain there’s really any wisdom in addressing your varied complaints. They seem to wander in a number of confusing directions.

I will suggest that the “go back to the ’60’s” line isn’t the most effective tool to use in an argument. The idea that liberals are hippies is so stale and distanced from reality that it immediately turns off people who might otherwise take your positions seriously.

With that in mind, what was your argument?

ralfast, on August 11th, 2008 at 9:16 am Said:
Sorry to say this, but if you believe that wearing a Che shirt makes you a Communist, you don’t know who Che was or what communism is. Its ok, at 15 you have a lot to learn, might not change your political view but at least it will engender a bit more accuracy.

Also sweeping generalizations tend to be inaccurate.

ralfast, on August 11th, 2008 at 9:23 am Said:
A few other things:

Free Speech? This is a blog, run by it’s owner, so he has the right to do whatever he wants here. Freedom of expression is for the streets and your home (unless you are a minor living under your parents roof).

P.C. runs both ways. I hear conservatives complain about the so called P.C. world yet they only say so when they feel they can’t say something. You can say it if you want, and I can criticize you for it. The term for the exchange of ideas is the “Market Place of Ideas”. You say something I respond. Nothing says that if you insult or demean someone I have to keep my mouth shut. Also if someone else demeans themselves or others, that should not be seen as permission for doing the same. Also, a little reading on the history of the word my help.

As for the ball dropping thing, unless you are talking about basketball I would think 15 is a little late for that, isn’t it? I’ll have to check my biology book.

As for going back to the 60s, since I wasn’t born in the 60s, even if I had a time machine to take me back to that era, I would run the risk of inducing a grandfather paradox. Better leave things as they are.

Dan (Fitness), on August 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pm Said:
ralfast,
It is a common (and often desperate) ploy to exclaim “free speech” when abusing it past its limit. But the thing is, I absolutely do try to allow every comment, no matter how foul.

Making Killing Liberals Normal « Fitness for the Occasion, on August 15th, 2008 at 1:03 am Said:
<...> “most active” posts are about a Obama: The White Supremacist Backlash, and on Eliminationism: Kill All Liberals. I regularly see search terms like “white supremacist obama”, “fuck obama <...>

http://fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/eliminationism-kill-all-liberals/

[tburnsten]

141. This loser needs some of his own medicine

"Joe M. Richardson, letter to Editor and Publisher:

The duped soldier should be put at the very front of the action, no armor. The cooperating sergeant’s career should be over and maybe become MIA. Pitts and all his cronies should be executed as traitors. We are fighting a war, the debate is over, you’re either for us or against us, there is no middle ground. I say start executing the leftists in our country, soon."


This fuckwad should be dropped into the mountainous border of afghanistan and pakistan with nothing resembling survival equipment or arms. See how long his monkey ass lasts.

[Iris]

144. Re#1 - I guess Rush's readers need "living fossils" since they can't read books.

[mcg]

145. "Eliminationism in America: Appendix"

more on the hate speech and calls for violence against liberals ...

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/eliminationism-in-america-appendix.html

...

Ann Coulter: "We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. ... That's just a joke, for you in the media."

...

"Some liberals have become even too crazy for Texas to execute, which is a damn shame. They're always saying -- we're oppressed, we're oppressed so let's do it. Let's oppress them."

Melanie Morgan: "I would have no problem with being sent to the gas chamber."

Melanie Morgan: "A great deal of good could be done by arresting Bill Keller having him lined up against the wall and shot."

Lee Rogers: "he day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of stupid liberals and it's going to be very amusing to watch."

"The Political Insight":
Let's start with the following New York Times reporters and editors: Arthur "Pinch" Sulzberger Jr. , Bill Keller, Eric Lichtblau, and James Risen. Do you have an idea where they live?

Go hunt them down and do America a favor. Get their photo, street address, where their kids go to school, anything you can dig up, and send it to the link above. This is your chance to be famous -- grab for the golden ring.

...

Ann Coulter:

LINDA VESTER (host): You say you'd rather not talk to liberals at all?

COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.

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