Why the Palin "baby" story matters.. It's INSURANCE FRAUD

[SoCalDem]

for starters..

A 16 yr old child will eventually become too old to be covered on the parents insurance, and I'm betting that Mrs Guv has some pretty nifty insurance, as does Mr BP-OIL, so if the baby is "Theirs", that handicapped child willl have all the care he will need, BUT

if he's the child of their unwed daughter, no doubt they would end up raising the child anyway, if she plans to go to college..She would probably have insurance coverage for herself while she's in school, but who's gonna pay for that child's coverage, or take care of him,while she's a carefree college student?..and how will she "land a husband" with a handicapped baby?

if she kept the baby, and managed to finish college, that child's disability would surely present a "pre-existing" condition to just about any HR person she would interview with..

I can understand why the parents would want to "help her out", and this sort of thing happens all the time, but for her parents to phony-up the whole thing and claim the child as theirs is ..well..deceptive and insurance fraud..

[Mass]

1. Is there any basis for that assertion, aside the photo from the NGA meeting?

Because, otherwise, it is pure speculation including a 17 year old girl and it is pretty scuzzy to do that.

[villager]

2. Where does this speculation come from?

Was the governor seen as "not pregnant" for several months, and low and behold, a baby appeared?

Didn't her water break during some gathering in Texas, this past spring...?

[SoCalDem]

4. pretty much.. LOTS of pics and a lot of "No way"s from coworkers

It's pretty viral online.. Eventually the truth will come out ..one way or another..


one interview she gave, she said her labor subsided long enough for her to fly home the next day..

another interview with a different paper, she said she was not in labor, but her water broke..and later she said it just "leaked"..

Apparently there were and are lots of rumors and suspicions in Alaska, but as just the governor of a low population state, it was probably no biggie...but as vice presidential candidate..well it might be a big deal..

[krabigirl]

6. If it's true, well then no wonder she felt well enough to go back to work after 3 days!

I did think that was a little crazy. I was in so much pain at three days and feeling pretty much like crap.

[RazBerryBeret]

69. heck yeah!

three days later I felt like crap too. and my boobs were out of control, if you know what I mean....NO way I could've gone to work....

[hedgehog]

78. Yeah, but how much work does it take to be governor of Alaska, for heaven's sakes?

First, oil revenues mean that there are no budget problems. Second, more people live in Los Angeles than in Alaska!

[Clear Blue Sky]

98. I have a sister who was a surgical resident and went back to work within 3 days.

[orleans]

76. what are the pics and "no ways" saying? that she was pregnant? or she wasn't? n/t

[Changenow]

18. There was six weeks between

the announcement and birth. She didn't look pregnant.

[ColbertWatcher]

63. The speculation comes from the fact that she's a republican ...

... and everyone knows no republican can tell the truth.

[dkofos]

3. This reminds me of desperate housewives.

[SoCalDem]

5. Yep. Bree thought she could get away with it too..

There are many families where this happens, and on a deathbead, someone finally breaks the silence, and Aunt so-and-so becomes Mom..or a sister becomes Mom..
But with a handicapped child, the truth might never "need" to come out..

[Generic Other]

7. are there any alaska papers who raised these questions?

seems like it would have made headlines if it was even suspected!

[SoCalDem]

8. These are the same people who LOVE Ted Stevens & his crooked son

maybe they just look the other way..

I think they may be looking into it now.. time will tell..

[Fearless]

27. Palin connnected to VECO...

"Palin raised at least $4,500 for her unsuccessful 2002 campaign for lieutenant governor from executives of VECO Corp., an oil services contractor at the heart of a massive influence-peddling investigation. Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens is accused of accepting more than $250,000 in home renovations and gifts from VECO executives and failing to disclose them on his annual financial statements; the senator says he is innocent.

Palin received $500 each from nine VECO executives in December 2001, including then-CEO Bill Allen, who last year pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy, bribery and tax charges and agreed to cooperate in the corruption investigation."


http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2008/08/29/ap/politics/d92s4ms04.txt

[ColbertWatcher]

64. Nicely done, thank you! n/t

[KamaAina]

62. The Anchorage Daily News, the state's largest

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-printer/story/336115.html

Gov. Sarah Palin is expecting her fifth child.

"I will be delivering an addition to the first family," she said, smiling.

Palin, already seven months along, is due to give birth in mid-May, she said.

The news astonished reporters and others in the Capitol, who had no clue the governor was expecting. She simply doesn't look pregnant.

edit: header

[hack89]

9. So after announcing she is pregnant

and living a very public life as a governor for two months, she was able to fool every person she met? Not a single person noticed that she was not really pregnant?

Do you realize how stupid this sounds?

[dems_rightnow]

10. Doesn't matter

It just became DU reality.

[Th1onein]

91. What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Huh?

[beac]

11. Google says

"4,120,000 (results) for how to fake a pregnancy. (0.22 seconds) "

Not saying she did or didn't but it certainly wouldn't have been hard to do.

[SoCalDem]

12. She was only "officially" pregnant for a month (or less)

she's the damned governor..she controls her schedule, and her meetings..and she does seem to be wearing jackets indoors.. for all we know, she may have "padded herself".. She's the boss, so who's gonna confront her..

she claimed to have been 7 months before she told her own kids :eyes:.. how dumb is that? people you LIVE with didn't notice?....sissie gets fat & Momma has a miracle baby? The 6 yr old might buy it, but not the 13 yr old..:rofl:

[hack89]

13. So what real proof do you have?

you remind me of 911 truthers analyzing internet video to "prove" that 911 was an inside job. Don't you feel any obligation to provide some actual evidence before smearing this woman and her daughter? Or is there no place for basic human decency when it comes to politics?

[SoCalDem]

14. chill.. they're not gonna win anyway

:rofl:

[hack89]

16. I will not chill - I refuse to sink to their level. nt

[SoCalDem]

17. So vote for her..or don't or find a "Kittens R Fluff" thread

sheeez are you her brother/sister:):rofl:

[hack89]

19. So you are OK with the daughter being political collateral damage

as long as it damages McCain or Palin? That is a despicable attitude - kids should not be fair game in any political race.

[ColbertWatcher]

66. "daughter being political collateral damage"

Now, who would do that?

Who would endanger their own child and use them as a political football?

Seriously.

What kind of woman would support republican "values"?

[hack89]

80. Who has she endangered?

Perhaps I am missing your point.

[ColbertWatcher]

81. "Who has she endangered?" Seriously! She's a woman voting GOP, who has she NOT endangered!? n/t

[hack89]

82. That's an intelligent reply - she is guilty of everything

so of course she is guilty of this. Got it.

[ColbertWatcher]

89. "That's an intelligent reply" I accept your apology. n/t

[hack89]

96. I am glad you have retained your sense of humor. nt

[ColbertWatcher]

100. And I am glad you have retained the final word on the subject. n/t

[fascisthunter]

32. .

close

[hack89]

36. What are you implying? Don't be shy. nt

[LibertyLover]

102. Totally off topic, but that photo is too darn cute!

My 100 pound Siberian Husky is very jealous.

[Name removed]

72. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[seemslikeadream]

48. You've just had a taste of the dungeon

[Changenow]

21. She fooled almost no one

even the press observed she didn't look pregnant. Her staff said she didn't look pregnant.

[hack89]

25. And you have real evidence to support this? nt

[SoCalDem]

26. Exactly.. they "knew" and they "understood", but it's still FRAUD

and we all know how republicans rail about the welfare momma who use "other people's babies" to try & get welfare..

Try using YOUR medical insurance for your sister's kid.. you'll end up in jail.

[hack89]

35. So she was at governors conference when her water broke

and she fooled everyone? Got it. :eyes:

[WillowTree]

31. Not only would no one have had to notice that she wasn't pregnant...

....but no one would have had to notice that her daughter WAS.

And there would be countless people at the hospital who would have known that she hadn't really delivered a baby. And there would be people who would know that the daughter had.

This is all total, utter nonsense.

[Junkdrawer]

15. She flew back to Alaska AFTER her water broke?

The details of the birth of Gov Palin's child are ironic, as it leads one to question her pro-life principles. A reasonably intelligent person can determine that Palin was reckless with the life of her unborn child. (Go to www.adn.com, April 22 edition for the fully-disclosed details).

Palin made the decision to travel to Texas to a Governor's conference while 36 weeks pregnant, a time during which obstetricians would tell you it’s foolish to travel via plane. Air travel is a known risk for pregnancy complications, which is indeed what happened. The governor, while on a self-promoting trip to deliver a speech, had premature rupture of fetal membranes: her water broke.

Call your local OB department and ask what to do if you think that your water has broken. You’ll be advised to seek an immediate hands-on examination by an obstetrician. The baby will be placed on a monitor to make sure it’s OK. Premature rupture of membranes can lead to life-threatening infection and premature delivery.

What did Sarah Palin do? She did NOT go to a local hospital and did NOT have her baby checked on a fetal monitor to make sure it was OK. She called her family practice doctor in Alaska for advice. What advice was given isn’t clear, but it’s clearly quoted that she "did not ask for a medical OK to fly". Whether it was OK to fly should be the FIRST question anyone considering traveling by air should have, if they were at all interested in protecting the life of the unborn. Regardless, she decided to give her speech at the conference without having any evaluation other than the long-distance advice of a family practitioner. Her speech was more important to her than making any effort to make sure her unborn child was OK. Then, she decided to fly back to Alaska, an 11-hour trip. In addition, she failed to inform flight personnel that her water had broken.

Airlines are unequipped to handle most emergencies at 30,000 feet, particularly the kind Palin put her unborn child at markedly increased risk for. These emergencies include birthing a premature infant or uncontrolled maternal bleeding. This was her FIFTH pregnancy and delivery can happen rapidly and unexpectedly. The baby or Palin could easily have died.

In the ADN article Palin downplays her decision to fly, implying traveling was reasonable as she wasn't in labor. If so, then why was she immediately hospitalized after returning to Alaska? Why was there an induced delivery of a 36-week infant by 6:30 am soon after her return? Again, ask any OB doctor. Induced delivery of a premature infant ALWAYS indicates a problem. The two most likely would be fetal infection, (a likely event given her failure to seek meaningful medical attention for her baby) or fetal distress by monitor.

Ask your OB doctor if the risks Palin took with the life of her unborn child are risks they would have advised for ANY reason. Then ask yourself whether Palin is truly pro-life, or only pro-Palin.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/may/26/sarah-palin-as-mccains-vp/

[Fla Dem]

20. Official Release from Governor's Office

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 08-060
Palin Family Welcomes Fifth Child
April 18, 2008, Anchorage, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin and her husband Todd
welcomed the arrival of their fifth child this morning. The Palins were thankful that
the Governor’s labor began yesterday while she was in Texas at the Governor's
Energy Conference where she gave the keynote luncheon address, but let up enough
for her to travel on Alaska Airlines back to Alaska in time to deliver her second son.
Trig Paxson Van Palin was born at 6:30 a.m. and weighs six pounds, two ounces.
The Governor and Trig are both doing well and resting comfortably.
The family released the following statement:
"Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would
face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this
gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every
baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place.
We are truly blessed."
The Palins have four other children including Track, 18, Bristol, 17, Willow, 13 and
Piper, 7.
###

[SoCalDem]

23. Yet.. in another interview she stated she did NOT go into labor

that her water broke.. and later she amended THAT to "leaked a bit"..

As long as she was governor of that lightly populated state no one cared.. but now she's in the big-time, and lies & deceptions matter..

[Junkdrawer]

37. This is getting TOO easy...

Where does this end up? With Palin giving a tearful press conference after "those MEAN Democrats destroyed her and her daughter's life"?

Again, too easy. Smells like a setup. How did it make it past McCain's vetting?

[SoCalDem]

39. McCain's vetting:

you're a looker
Alaska's a red state

sounds good to me :)
you're in honey:)

[Junkdrawer]

41. 10 minutes of Googling and we have:

Pictures of her two months before delivery with a flat tummy...

Rumors of her 16 yr. old daughter home for months with "mono" at the baby's birth...

Her flying home on commercial air 8 to 11 hours AFTER her water broke...

Too, too easy.

[orleans]

85. where are the pictures, do you have a link? n/t

[Junkdrawer]

87. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3879229&mesg_id=3879229

[Junkdrawer]

86. Self-Delete Posted wrong spot

[SoCalDem]

22. She knew the baby was safe.. in her daughter's uterus

:rofl:

[Heather MC]

34. ummm Very Odd indeed

[Blue Diadem]

38. Another article here. She says she felt safe flying

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/

Gov. Sarah Palin’s decision to make the eight-hour flight from Dallas to Anchorage has some people wondering about the possible safety hazards of flying while in the late stages of pregnancy.

The governor, eight months into her pregnancy, noticed amniotic fluid Thursday morning prior to giving a keynote luncheon address at the Republican Governor’s Energy Conference in Texas. After wrapping up the speech, Palin and her husband consulted with her physician about possibly flying home on an earlier flight. After being granted permission from her doctor, she and her husband proceeded with the trek home.

snip:Most airlines have specific policies concerning air travel during pregnancy, especially during the final months. For women traveling in the final month of pregnancy, a “permission-to-travel” letter is required by her primary physician. However, most restrictions rely on an honor policy that leaves the decision to notify the airline in the hands of the passenger.

The governor did not feel the need to inform the airline of her condition, Leighow said.
---------------------------
Alaska airlines doesn't have the policy. More at link

[misanthrope]

46. This is useful but not for the rumors about the daughter...

...It seems to reveal a casual disregard for the safety of the child.

[seemslikeadream]

49. EXTREME risk of infection

A woman is told immediately to go to the hospital if the water breaks

[seabeyond]

70. i got my ass chewed out cause i jumped in the shower for 3 or 4 minutes and then

went to hospital. doctor chewed me out and said RIGHT to the hospital

both preg water broke. both right to hospital 5 min away and both induced

[Dreamer Tatum]

24. Actually, it doesn't matter until it's actually true

I mean, do you have a SHRED of evidence, besides a picture and an echo chamber?

[SoCalDem]

28. and if no one investigates it, no one will ever know..will they?

Now that she's high profile, people will be asking a lot more questions about a lot of things..

[Quantess]

33. Someone knows for sure. The doctors.

Some doctor out there knows for sure whether Palin or her daughter is having a baby.

[dysfunctional press]

43. poppy and his crew know how to deal with those types of things...

toe tags.

[Midlodemocrat]

56. And none of them will talk. If they do, because of HIPAA, they would lose

their license to practice medicine.

[Princess Turandot]

74. On the other hand, if they fraudulently signed a birth certificate..

application, the MD is violating both state and federal law, and I think the federal law makes it a felony. Then the falsified birth certificate is used to apply for a SS#. If the baby was born at home with only s/he in attendance, maybe the practitioner would take the chance. In a hospital delivery, you have nurses, the OBG, techs, an anesthesiologist, a neonatologist generally in the room because it's high risk et al, coming and going.,

I don't see how they could have pulled something like this off, without someone dropping the dime. I also think that MD would be more worried about jail than a HIPAA violation.

[shimmergal]

93. Well...I had questions about the

birth certificate too.

OTOH, new birth certificates are sometimes issued for adoptees, aren't they, and that's legal? I suppose a governor could fast-forward an adoption process. To my knowledge birth certificates aren't necessarily filed for several days after the birth Just wondering. . .

[KoKo]

54. I don't get why many here don't want this investigated?

Surely all our Dems fall under the "microscope" as "Public Figures" like Rock Stars and the rest of the Entertainment folks...why should she be treated differently than Brittany Spears or Paris? Why is she above it all. Why are any Politicians better than the rest of us when they go out there and put themselves in front of us asking for our vote?

Frankly, I'd leave the Celebrities alone unless there's something really bad..that has to do with animal or environmental cruelty and a "few other things" and allow MUCH MORE scrutiny of our Politicians since they are the ones who are in charge of our country...from Lobbyists to Environmental and Human Rights issues. Plus our Health care and whether we go to WAR to "Defend Ourselves" ...or just because we "Want To."

Politicians these days really have much more power than a few Celebrities whose publists encourage behavior that they can promote to get "Hype" for their client. That's both the celebrities job and the agents job to do that. BUT...Politicians "used to be" supposed to protect our Constitution and fight for what that Constitution and Bill of Rights contracted with the American people.

Something has gotten lost along the way when we should be "quiet" and not go after a politician just because it might hurt one constituency or anothers.

LET IT ALL COME OUT! Freedom of the Press is Freedom to DIG OUT FACTS, though...not what our Media Whoredom (McCorporate Media) indulges in these days which is acting as an agent to Corporate Powers who care nothing about our Constitution, BOR's or Free Markets, Fair Markets.

[hack89]

83. Go over to Freeper land and read the threads on Obama's citizenship

and you will understand why. Shit flows two ways - do you really want the MSM to investigate and amplify every internet rumor?

[LBJDemocrat]

29. I'd like to see some evidence as well. nt

[misanthrope]

44. Yeah, it's not like she went to an Islamic madrassa or...

...refused to put her hand over her heart during the pledge of allegiance or was best friends with a mad bomber.

[madrchsod]

30. there is something not right with her story

not caring about if her water broke? not going to an emergency room immediately? that`s not right

[northernlights]

40. down's syndrome

It is by far the highest risk defect for a pregnancy late in life, since the age of the eggs makes them more prone to mistakes when the chromosomes are separated in the 2nd stage meiosis.

The risk of down syndrome is comparatively miniscule in young women.

The fact that the baby has down's syndrome suggests that the gov is the moth.

[SoCalDem]

42. I personally know 3 women whose FIRST child had downs

two were born in their 20's..and another was 18..

Downs happens most often in older women, but it also happens to others as well..

[elehhhhna]

45. most ds babies are born to women under 30. google it.

[dems_rightnow]

47. You're both right

The chance of Downs babies in young mothers is miniscule, yet young mothers have the majority of them. That's because there are so many fewer children born to 35+ year old mothers.

[Dreamer Tatum]

50. Er, most babies are born to women under 30.

Just like "most auto accidents happen within 2 miles of home."

[Midlodemocrat]

55. Actually, you are completely wrong. With the advances in

genetic testing, MORE children with Down Syndrome are being born to YOUNGER moms who aren't getting the Advanced Maternal Age testing.

Older moms get the testing, therefore, they often decide to terminate.

[Ilsa]

73. Yes, but you cannot rule out the teenager.

it does happen, and there is no reason for the teen to be exempt.

There is something fishy about this story. and grandmothers have done this all through history: taken their grandchild as their baby to protect the reputation of their daughters.

[justgamma]

51. Know why this sounds fishy to me?

My water leaked at 8 months along. 2 hours later, I had a baby girl. My first. Who in their right mind would get on a plane and travel for 11 hours? It's just not logical.

[trudyco]

60. exactly - would she endanger the baby and herself by flying???

[seabeyond]

71. again, i had two and straight to hospital. i couldnt imagine sittin on a plane

away from help

[anigbrowl]

52. It's a big 'if' and I see little evidence.

I put this on the same level as 'John McCain born in Panama' or 'Obama not really born in Hawaii!'. Unless there is good evidence to back up this rumor, repeating it and speculating on the implications is irresponsible, embarrassing, and (dare I say it) Rovian. Palin should be assessed on her political record and how she performs in the campaign, not on such thin gossip.

[Changenow]

58. McCain was born in Panama. nt

[anigbrowl]

61. Quite true, but not in a context that would prevent his taking office.

Nobody serious worries about McCain's legal eligibility for the job. The baby story has some eyebrow raising aspects, I'm just saying that it would be extremely dumb for people to jump to conclusions and embarass the Democratic campaign by equating rumor with fact.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

75. On an American Military Base.

[KoKo]

67. Wasn't there some "thin" gossip about a prominent Dem who was Candidate for President?

"thin gossip" that was shut down by both Dems, Repugs and the McCorporate Media that only came out when more investigation, photo's and revelations made it all impossible to not to take notice of?

We "the people" have a right to know what our "elected officials and those running for elected office" have in their background which can be used by the oppostition for blackmail.

The issues of candidates representing themselves as banners for a certain kind of "moral/social distinction" above the other candidate also comes into question...if ya' think about it.

If there's no distinction between the behavior both public and private by our Entertainers as fodder for either promiting their careers (Paris Hilton) or ruining them making them objects of ridicule (Brittany Spears) then why should our Politicians be held to a different standard since they are both "Public Figures" and "Entertainers?" Should we expect better of them? Neither Paris, nor Brittany swear to uphold the Constitution or Bill of Rights as entertainers...but all of our "elected officials" do.

I realize our Consitution doesn't have a "Morals Clause" but if one looks at the Political Scandals of the past we can all see it was how "abuse of power in office" in so many cases goes back to the person in question lacking in a "moral compass about their personal behavior." If you are going to lie and abuse power in your elected office...chances are...somewhere along the line you did it "successfully" in your private life.

We need investigations...but we need to be careful about political/partisan Witch Hunts. The McCorporate Media doesn't investigate much anymore...so it's up to the bloggers to piece things together from fragmented reports to pull together the whole picture. Folks should be digging and digging about Palin. It's what keeps the system honest, in the end.

[anigbrowl]

92. You're quite right. I'm just saying we should tread carefully

The election's 2 months away. I'd rather lose a few weeks putting the pieces together if the story is true than go off half-cocked and have it be an embarrassment that cost Obama votes, is all.

[KoKo]

53. Good Point! K&R.

[Texasgal]

57. and how will she "land a husband" with a handicapped baby?

Are for real?

[SoCalDem]

59. There's a reason I put it in "quotes"

Rightwingers like her probably think the best thing their daughters can do is to marry & have babies..

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

65. You do realize that birth certificates name the mother, don't you?

This thread is quite embarassing. There would be attending physicians,hospital records, etc. - it would be quite a conspiracy involving lots of people to pull off what you suggest. Highly implausible.

This is just specious speculation and it is harmful to a child and draws attention away from real issues. This is just the kind of crap I would expect from people like Swiftboaters and Freepers but not here.

[Gormy Cuss]

77. I think the thread is embarassing, but I doubt that the governor would have a hard time with that.

Implausible but not impossible. I'm not saying that this rumor has any credibility, just that politicians and other people with power can pull off lots of things that are impossible for the average person.

I think the important thing is that the child has loving parents. The rest of it feels like none of my business.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

79. I meant that the thread was an embarrassment to this forum, not the Governor

This is about the most hopelessly inane and unproductive post I have ever had the sorry opportunity to witness.

People speculating with absolutely no substance whatsoever (that I can see) whether the Governor Of Alaska pretended to be the mother of her teen daughter's baby. I guess because it would resemble a TV series they had seen. Unbelieveable.

[Gormy Cuss]

88. Understood. I meant that I doubt the governor would have a hard time pulling off a cover-up

not that I think there's any evidence of that. People with power don't operate under the same rules as the rest of us.

[Sisaruus]

68. IF (big if) this speculation is true...

It is possible they adopted the baby. In which case there would be no insurance fraud. And where's the line between privacy and deception?

[SoCalDem]

95. When you concoct a "pioneer woman" perils of pauline-esque story

and lie and deceive people to cover up something that might be embarrassing.. especially when she has a history of "doing things HER way", and punishing people by using her official stature
..

And she's using her "story" to embellish a woefully thin resume...and to bolster Grampa's lame campaign by tugging at the heartstrings of blubbery women..(the low information ones)

Isn't that what we have seen happening for 8 long years?

If their daughter got pregnant and they decided to adopt the baby..bravo for them.. just don't make up a goofball story and expect people to not question it:)

[mitchum]

84. Kicking this (and I will continue to do so)

[burythehatchet]

90. Wait a minute, who's the father?

[Quantess]

94. Probably a teenage boy.

Since the mother is apparently a teenage girl.

[notadmblnd]

97. it would also point out Sarah and Todd's failure as parents and christians

[Nikki Stone1]

99. THIS IS RUMOR MONGERING: DU loses ALL credibility when you do stuff like this

Can you wait for the damned facts instead of looking at pictures? I know women who don't look pregnant when they are very far along. I also teach high school and sometimes, teenage girls have stomachs; just part of their build.

I highly recommend that you not do this sort of thing unless you have actual facts.

[marshall]

101. This is the 2008 version of "Chelsea is Webster Hubbell's child"

It's just ridiculous, but I guess people have to have something to babble about.
It is far more likely that a 44 year old woman would give birth to a Down Syndrome baby than a 16 year old girl.

[KoKo]

103. NO! This is TOTALLY DIFFERENT...read the Post and Thread..

instead of "shooting from hip." Then you will understand what it's all about.

[marshall]

105. It's totally preposterous--ya'll have been watching too much "Desperate Housewives"!

The Palins could have adopted the child (assuming for the sake of argument that it is their grandchild) and he would be covered by insurance.

And if we are going to make an episode of Desperate Housewives out of this--don't you think she would have padded herself to look huge like Bree did.

I'm sure we'll be reading about the right wing radio pundits making much hay out of these rumors next week.

[SoCalDem]

106. Adopting the little boy would have been a great thing to do, and yes

he would have been completely "insurable", but for a head of state to concoct a whopper and expect people to not notice or to not care...well that's the issue here..

She has stuck her nose into every female crotch, with all her pontification of right & wrong and what's godly and what's shameful..and how any birth control is abortion..so she made herself the tip of the spear, so to speak..

I wonder what the governor would do if a state employee was using government-provided insurance to pay for maternity expenses of a child, masquerading as the employee's.. would they be fired ,prosecuted and made to reimburse the state?

If they adopted the little guy, then just SAY so.. A simple "our daughter has had an unplanned pregnancy, and we will be welcoming her child, and adopting him, since he is a special needs child".. nothing wrong with that..

[marshall]

107. Actually maternity expenses of a minor ARE insurable

My cousin had a child when she was an unmarried minor and all of the medical bills were paid by my uncle (her father's) insurance.

I read an article about Palin's mother in law Faye Palin yesterday. She was quoted as saying she is planning on voting for Obama. She also talked about Sarah Palin's pregnancy and the genetic testing and how they all knew the child would have down syndrome.

[KoKo]

104. Thanks for "getting on top of this" So Cal...you have captured Pics that are Scrubbed

and it's important to keep on top of this. I didn't ever want to believe what I now know about John Edwards..but it's time to let "IT ALL COME OUT!...on BOTH SIDES!