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deminks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:13 PM Original message |
Busted!: Gallup, CBS, USA.Today, etc. Tinkers With Party ID Again |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. The basic premise in America for some time has been |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. BINGO! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Campaigns spend a lot of money on their own internals |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Yes... I Know They Do Internal Polling... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. That's why it's so dangerous to allow them to state that the polls are so close. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Not hard at all. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. No. 3 |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
84. Bingo! That is what is so scary. If they steal another election, what will we do? |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Polls are meant to influence public opinion which is why the CIA used |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
82. Cheap polls from China to attract the lemming crowd no doubt. |
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ailsagirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. kick |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. Kick! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. What an execellent observation /nt |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good article, just as I suspected. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R We're not surprised are we....surprised that the msm isn't |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm Really Tired of GALLUP'S BS TACTICS! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
9. Every single poll number that comes out of these shops from now on: |
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deminks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. Like the Kos author says: Stay Strong, Campaign, Phone Bank, Donate to Obama if you can. |
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Aslanspal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
46. I agree with this and add also |
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ladym55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. And let me add |
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Aslanspal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. I agree |
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ladym55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. And here's how Ohio is fighting back |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. The only polls I trust are Obama's internals... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. k & r |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. Gallup was BIG TIME doing that same thing in 2004 |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. I hate to suggest this, but how do we KNOW that (R) ID has not gone up? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. the republicans have been losing voters steadily for years, dems have a huge surge this year |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Read further down in the article... |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. This election is not going to mirror those figures. |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. The corporate media wants you to believe that..... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. Follow the money. nt |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
20. Kicked and recommended. |
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brettdale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. One reason you shouldnt trust Gallap |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
23. Fine with me - I'd prefer they underestimate a bit rather than the opposite |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
26. And they've been plastering every top of the hour newscast. |
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ellenfl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-09-08 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
27. this 58 year old woman is ready to take to the streets |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. I'm with you ellenfl but Obama has got to stand up and not accept it too. n/t |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
30. Is this true every post Convention poll |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
31. I think there is no basis for this. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The point is that one may control for anything one likes, and they do. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Yeah - it's all a conspiracy |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Is that sarcasm laid on sarcasm or did i miss something? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Your perception of collusion is another word for paranoia, IMO. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. So how many billion dollar corporations do you sit on the board of? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. It's not paranoid "to not want a percentage of my labor contributing to the deaths of people" |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Perhaps you don't understand how they work |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
88. Ah, you've read the minds, since you have no evidence of what the "pollsters" have done. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yea, my idea is that they are all the same |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Your 'clarity' is naive and stupid. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. I forgot to ask, whom should i be trying to convict anyway? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. There is no conspiracy. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Election pollsters pay attention to party because it does matter. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. The problem isn't that it doesn't matter. It's whether it's changeable. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Are you speaking as an election pollster? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. What I would really like to see is a correlation between poll results and election results. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. I've been looking for that sort of analysis myself. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. I Have Seen Distributions of Registered Voters |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. I Have Seen Distributions of Registered Voters |
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morffin (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
34. Make the polls close |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. That's right. It worked in 2000 and 2004. Republicans helped by MSM |
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lisainmilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
35. They continue the brainwashing and voter swaying! |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
36. K&R |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
37. Explain to me how the success of Dean's 50 State Strategy can exist, |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
38. How many times have I said "FUCK THE NATIONAL POLLS" |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
62. We need to get some more MO.. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. I've already put Florida in the Red slot, it's been there the last 2 elections |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
39. Possible preperation for another steal. |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
43. has anyone here ever actually been polled? |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Me neither! Nor anyone I know. If they did they'd find a huge plurality for Obama. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. I was polled three times in July about judicial races in Florida |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
79. 3 times this go round - I'm sahm -nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
91. No, and I don't know anyone who has |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
44. Gallup is a blatant repuke propaganda tool. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
47. Gallup admitted that they haven't been including voters under 29! |
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faulknercindy (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
49. They keep pushing the polls |
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RepublicanElephant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
50. keith olbermann seems a little frustrated with chuck todd and his nbc/wall street murdoch polls... |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
56. I've never believed any of the polls to date because after 8 years of Bush |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
61. K&R Thank YOU! I wrote a post highlighting that these polls are to create perception |
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stuartallenmills (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
64. They did not tinker with results |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
65. They are paving the way to another election theft. Check out this thread on Gallup |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Same as it's been since at least 2002, maybe longer. |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. As I see it.... |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WON'T LET GO WITHOUT BLOOD |
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KelleyKramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
68. They GAVE the GOP a 10 point advantage to cheat the poll results... |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. You're absolutely correct....Most people are so fucking stupid, they will believe |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Well, to be fair, we are all idiots. |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
73. 97.5% of all statistics are made up! |
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kayell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
77. And every time we buy the lies |
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scytherius (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
78. What I like about it |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
81. I know that's true |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-10-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
83. kick |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
87. The polls are a scam folks, they should be used for entertainment purposes only |
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