What the PBS poll proves (re: Palin's qualifications for VP)

[cayuga]

is that we cannot trust ANY polls in this country.

Especially the ones that show Obama and McCain are head to head.

The freepers (and the right wing Baghdad Bobs) killed their goose that laid the golden egg.

[yourguide]

1. it just proves an online poll is easily freeped n/t

[cayuga]

2. And it proves any poll can be biased

[yourguide]

5. noooooooo

it's an online poll, non scientific, open to anyone voting of any affiliation in which people can vote multiple times.

freeped.

[Overseas]

3. It proves Freepers like Palin.

It shows online polls can be manipulated with concerted effort.

[cayuga]

4. It proves that polls in general can be manipulated

[cayuga]

6. The presidential poll should be 70-30

There were 2-1/2 Dem voters for every Repulsican voter in the primary.

The polls are lying to us if they want us to believe it is head to head. This is extremely important to them.

Try to find on the internet ANYWHERE how many TOTAL popular votes there were in the primary - broken down by party.

[Blue_In_AK]

7. I've voted no on that PBS poll three times now

It's obviously been freeped by wingers who have nothing better to do.

[11cents]

8. These. Are. Not. Polls.

Jesus fuck. I SHOULD give up, but this just gets up my nose. Is it not obvious that an online pseudo-poll that can be either freeped or DU'ed by definition doesn't measure anything -- and that they have absolutely no relation to real polls with sampling, like Pew, Gallup, etc.? Not that the latter are perfect or by any means always reliable, but they're utterly different beasts. They're not the same species as this PBS "poll" or any of the hundreds of similar ones you can find on websites.

Every time someone opens up a topic here to exhort people to "DU" a poll, they're encouraging people to waste their time. Nobody, but nobody, pays attention to these online toys except the DUers and freepers who flock to them. If you find the competition fun, have at it, but please basta with the premise that there's anything meaningful about it.

[cayuga]

10. And what gets up my nose

is people who call Gallup, etc. 'real' polls.

My point is that we have no one to trust but ourselves. Gallup is no more reliable than an online poll.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Ummmmmmmmmmm....... No.

Ridiculous theory.

[cayuga]

11. Ridiculous reply.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. It Was An Accurate Reply And All That Was Necessary.

You're equating an online completely unscientific poll with real polling. That's as ridiculous as it gets.

[cayuga]

14. There is no 'real' polling. Are you saying that Gallup is scientific?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. ROFLMAO!

Yes, they are.

And your continuing to equate an obscure online poll with real agency scientific polling is beyond hilarious!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Too much!

[cayuga]

19. You really haven't been paying much attention

to the tactics of the other side, have you? Maybe you should not be ROFLMAO so much as doing some research.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. I Know A Hell Of A Lot More Than You Do Mr.Online Poll Is Equivalent To A Real Poll

:rofl:

[cayuga]

21. that was such a pitiful reply, I'll let it go.

It speaks for itself.

[cayuga]

13. If you are one of the people outraged that half this country is so stupid

You might be one of those people. It is not half.

That is what they want you to believe.

[magellan]

16. Your conclusion is correct

The basis for it is not.

PBS has an online poll.
Online polls are unscientific and unreliable.
Therefore all polls of any kind are unscientific and unreliable.

Logical fallacy.

[cayuga]

17. How about this logic?

Republicans will do ANYTHING to win this election.
Gallup is a known Republican supporter.

Therfore...Gallup will do ANYTHING to win this election.

[magellan]

22. I'm a citizen of the USA

The police protect citizens of the USA.
Therefore the police will protect me.

Always true?

[cayuga]

24. This syllogism fails because of this fallacy:

Appeal to Probability.

[samsingh]

18. yup

[Codeine]

23. Nonsense.

An online poll is meaningless. Real polls have their limitations, but within those limits are usually fairly reliable.

[cayuga]

25. Nonsense.

Defne a 'real' poll.