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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:49 AM
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What the Average Joe Knows.
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 09:54 AM by SoCalDem
He knows (now) that the Wall Street whizzes have been selling each other debt, and calling it "profit".. They have presto-change-o, turned that debt into collateral for more investment money , so they could keep on going..

Joe saw on tv, how smart they all were, how well-dressed, how well they presented themselves, and he eagerly "invested" with them, through 401-k money, pension money, money-market funds.

Joe now knows that when he saw them on tv drinking champagne & high-five-ing each other, that their celebration was not for Joe..It was for their own fat commissions from all that "money-moving", and for their own bright futures.

Joe knows that he's been "had"..

Any debt that Joe has racked up (due to lack of real wage increases over time) will remain in HIS debit column, and that the calls from credit card companies to "pay up" , will NOT stop if a "bill gets passed"..

He knows that he will still owe 250 more car payments for a car that's chugging $4.00 gasoline, and that he could not sell for what he owes, even if he could find a more economical car.

He knows that the $20K of equity he took out of his house, to fix it up will not make that house more likely to sell, and that the amount the house dropped in value, has put him "upside-down" considering the fact that he's paying on loans that equal more than the house's worth, but he cannot afford to move, since no one will buy the thing, and even if they did, he might still own more than he could get, and would have nothing to put down on any other house.

Joe knows that he's lost mobility, and he's pissed. He cannot leave his job, even if he hates it, because if he has medical coverage, he dares not leave, for fear the "next" job might not offer it, or it might not be as good. He cannot afford to commute any more, but he has no choice if he wants to keep the job. He cannot afford to vacation (hotels at $100+ a night & gas as high as it is)..He cannot afford for his teenaged kids to have a car, like his parents could when he was young.

Joe is stuck in a rut, and he knows it. His hope of retiring with any dignity at all is slipping away, and he sees it. He does not understand it, but he sees it happening, and there's not enough time to make up lost ground..

All Joe knows is that for years and years, he's been taking REAL money from his weekly paycheck, and socking it away in the only "vehicle" available to the common-man, and relying on the "smart ones" to invest it for the long term, and he now has figured out that he's been had.. He's mad, he's upset, he's bitter, he's disconsolate, he's worried, and he's not trusting them anymore.

He sees the "bail-out", "rescue", "injection of liquidity", or whatever the daily description is, as a way for the gamblers to erase their gambling debt, keep any "winnings" they may have gotten along the way, and get "new" money to gamble with...and Joe sees that all his debt is still hanging around HIS neck like a dead albatross.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:53 AM
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1. Yep - We Average Joe's Are Smarter Than people Give Us Credit For
Still does not explain Bush's support though.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:53 AM
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2. exactly..not just joe but joan too...nt
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:56 AM
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3. Joe shoulda thought of that before he gave Bush another four years.
But Joe was skeered of dem gays! Thanks, Joe!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:58 AM
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5. I hear you.. but there are a lot of Democratic Joes too
and they did not vote for Bush:(
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:58 AM
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4. Average Joe elected and re-elected Bush and thought Iraq was responsible for 9-11
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 09:59 AM by dmordue
I don't have alot of faith in the average joes insightfulness. Average Joe generally seems to be an idiot - look at morning Joe!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:13 AM
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6. "Who put this dead intern under my desk?"
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:39 PM
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7. Just one thing...
Joe didn't really have any choice where to invest. Pensions and 401Ks are managed by them on his behalf, he has no choice over the investment of those funds. Money Markets and CDs are optional, but still, the entire spectrum has been affected by this blight.

Other than that, I think this is pretty close.

-Hoot
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:45 PM
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8. Joe... voted for Bush, and thinks the world is 4000 years old. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:49 PM
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9. Try talkng to my friend, the average Jose who is a new citizen
or maybe his parents were. He sees the scam coming miles away -- because that's why he left Guatemala. Amazing, isn't it? :shrug:
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