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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:18 PM Original message |
Should Obama's and Biden's Teams bring short-range RF jammers to the next debates? |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. yes - must jam the wire this time n/t |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Somebody certainly should |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. DHS would be all over anyone who had something like that. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Funny how they'd be all over THOSE illicit signals, yet somehow "missed" |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Exactly and the device needs to only operate for a few seconds. Triangulation usually takes longer. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. I would expect their microphones are wireless, so may not be a good idea EOM |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. VERY good point. You would have to KNOW the frequency (Kenneth). |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. And illegal. n/t |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. How would it be illegal to jam someone who was attempting to cheat in a debate? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
62. if they are using a legal device, willfully interfering with it is illegal |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. That's one of those things where there's what's legal and what IS. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. The frequencies are divided into narrow blocks |
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ProgressiveFool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I'd like them to broadcast a series of noxious and wet fart noises into her ear. /nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. IMO they would use plain old wired ones for a presidential debate |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. They use both, actually. |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Might also interfere with security's communication, but they |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think McCain will probably go in w/o cheating, but there is NO WAY they're letting Churchy Spice |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. hahaha! |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. ...... |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. "Breaker, breaker. I'm out on the Interstate looking for some three-legged beaver. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. Some precaution should be taken. I don't understand the |
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BulletproofLandshark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. They're used to jam radio signals. There is no way they could hurt someone. n/t |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Not true. Signals are often jammed by overwhelming them with a more powerful signal. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I'm wary of these things because the tasers were supposed |
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BulletproofLandshark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Thanks for the information. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. 1500watts is enough to range 300+ miles. The range needed at the debate is 100 METERS. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I am well aware of how jamming orks, and I mentioned this above: lower power for shorter range |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Cell phone cancer risk is due to thousands of hours of exposure at a distance of one inch. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. How many times do I have to say it? I UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLES. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Absolutely you don't want to use technology that might hurt someone. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes! That would definitely eliminate her life line! |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
11. well |
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O.M.B.inOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yes. At least moderators should state outright that it's a violation to get assistance inthe debate. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
17. Do you have any idea how hard it is to jam a radio broadcast if you don't know the frequency? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Wireless mics operate over a narrow frequency block |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Yes, I do. Former USAF Electronics Tech here. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Unless you really knew a hell of a lot about the system you would never detect it |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Thanks for the knowledgable info. I knew there has been much advance in the two decades |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Well yes and no... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #46 |
61. Good stuff. Thanks again! |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. Don't know if it is a good idea, but that is the same thing my DH thought should be done |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. I don't think the official team should... |
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trashcanistanista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
25. Can this be done from outside the building? |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Sure - you might be able to do it from miles away, but you gotta know the frequency. |
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trashcanistanista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. But if you didn't know the exact frequency, could you make an |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. Earpieces would make the debater do even worse |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Newscasters do this EVERY DAY on the air. It is not a problem. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Not in the way you describe |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Sorry but you really haven't witnessed a network newscast from behind the scenes have you? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Nah |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. First you say no one can then you say SHE won't. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. One of my colleague's wife is a newscaster |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
35. i'm sure that would thrill the secret service folks |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
37. I'd bring strawberry jam and buttered toast. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. Assumptions are wrong folks! |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Thanks for bringing up how hard digital modulated signals are to jam.,.. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Actually no interception is hard... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
43. Good lord, no. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. Oh and P.S. the FCC will fine you for operating an unlicensed transmitter |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. 100mw is all you need to defeat the signal. REMEMBER Palin would have to register with the FCC too. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. You are SO totally wrong about this... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. So the core issue here is the fact that it's now "digital modulation" |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. What you don't know about modern RF engineering would fill books... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. thank you |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Once again, thank you for your knowledgable input to this thread. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
53. No, they should bring intercept hardware |
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jpertello (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
54. Frisk her. |
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