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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:06 PM Original message |
Foolish enough to think we prevented a Recession |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. We prevented a complete collapse |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. that's the point: nothing has been prevented, simply delayed |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Just like Hoover did when he bailed out the banks. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. There's more to do, no question |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. A Temporary Fix in the wrong direction maybe |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. And whenever we have a "temporary fix" |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. You made my point for me |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Unfortunately that's already a reality for far too many. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Because "activists" have ADD n/t |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. That's right. It's all the "activists" fault. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Where were you in July? |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
96. Huh? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
76. The fix is in, alright. n/t |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
79. A $700 BILLION Dollar "Temporary Fix"? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
111. Basically |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
94. Bailing out banks ... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Actually, it just delays the inevitable.....The fundamental problems remain. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:12 PM Original message |
This is the first step |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Which is what I said in #6 |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. GREAT it only Cost us $850Billion for a Recession |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Considering over a trillion dollars was lost on Monday |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I used to agree with you sandnsea |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. "Selfish reasoning for supporting this bill". Spot on! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. The bottom 60% can't get loans |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
85. I'm IN that bottom 60% and I wouldn't have had any trouble |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Wow ... are you right on the whole saga -- !!! |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Thanks for the validation! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Why anyone is against having Wall St taxed to pay for their mess isn't clear --- |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
83. PLENTY of community banks have gone under |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Hey the feds have pumped over two Trillion into the system over the course |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
105. We should all consider this reality when we weigh a "dollar-based- |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
113. Targeted |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. RIGHT - the same way Hoover did |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Then don't stop fighting for reform |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I'm Paying Attention this time |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. No, we didn't. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. You Can Not Spend your way out of a REGULATORY problem |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. We're fond of analogies here ... |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. You pay the Fireman and he leaves with your money |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
80. Good analogy. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. That's actually not bad ... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
114. First you get out of the burning house |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Exactly. It didn't work then and it won't work now. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Do you know what Hoover did? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. How, specifically? n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Did you fall for the WMD lies and fearmongering, too? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. any bill without strong reform dooms the American public. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Your RIGHT Joe - and thanks for posting that |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. LOL... oh we did, did we? |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
73. bullshit |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
110. want to bet you'll live to eat those words? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Nobody said this would prevent a recession |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. NOW we don't have the means to STOP a Recession |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Just out of curiosity... you do know how much money |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Since when did Bush like Hoover ever have a GOOD IDEA |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. So you don't know |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Deleted message |
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I get it... but you didn't read what I wrote |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Deleted message |
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You know what a mixed economy is? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. It was still the largest Economic Expansion to date |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. and.... your point? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Hoover's policies made the depression worse |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. What do you think they have been doing over the last year? |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Every economist and historian ... |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #57 |
74. The centralized planning we have is pouring billions into the Iraq war and bloated military systems. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Not one? |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Reality check! Increasing liquidity was a failed policy. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
115. How long |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
98. It isn't "Trickle Down" |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
77. Then let "them" pump more of THEIR money in the market they love so god damn much. |
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chupacabranation (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. Wow where'd you pick up your crystal ball |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. What more has to happen before it's a recession, people are living on the streets they're |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. It is GNP and length |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Trickle Down Theory used Unemployment to prevent Inflation |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. NEBR is far older than reagan, or for that matter Kennedy, but that's ok |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
116. You are aware |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
92. it's a recession when it hits you personally |
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Munchy (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
20. Actually, until the House votes, nothing has really happened yet |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
29. People are getting laid off left and right..prepare to see much more of the same |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Right and this Bill does nothing to Releive Unemployment |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I was talking to this man today who works for citibank, high up there, when he told me about |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Thank You AuntPatsy |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Sometimes I feel like this should be seen as treasonous...I value freedom but sometimes |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. That why this Recession will be so devistating |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Thats so true and not everyone takes that into consideration.... |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Exactly and simply because our population is so dense it's not so easy |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
93. that is scary. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
88. Totalitarian capitalism .... |
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2speak (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I got your back! |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I said at the time not long after Katrina when I heard so many horrific |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. It extends unemployment benefits 7 weeks n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. damn them facts |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. They do... by the way her facts came straight from the bill |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I know about Bush's excutive order |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I also have figured out that this bill's economic goal |
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illuminaughty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Been following your posts while |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #75 |
100. I've read the doctrine and there are two things that have to be said here |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
91. See the questions about Lehman by creditors .. looking MIHOP ... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
101. If this was just the US economic system you'd have a point |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Totalitarian capitalism ...speculative schemes...are worldwide -- |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Take off the ideological lenses |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. The causes of the depresion were also manipulation by capitalists -- |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Sorry, we deeply disagree on the causes of the depression or this |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Here's more .. Bear Sterns, etc .... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. What part of this started MONTHS, if not YEARS ago |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #38 |
66. Wow. That only came at the expense of one hundred billion a week. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
52. We're already IN a recession, we didn't stop it, and it's gonna get worse. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
84. Who said it would stop a recession? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Of course no one did. It was meant to ameliorate the panic |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Yup ... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. In a mob rule situation, people don't reason or review actual facts |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
95. It's got a long way to go before we hit bottom |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
67. I will never, ever understand why the Dems didn't join the Repubs |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
78. Yep, and a lot of us have been screaming this all week. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
109. it passed |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:16 AM Response to Original message |
112. The coming recession? Do we need to re-write what a recession is? |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
117. Well see yall in the breadlines.... |
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