"MCCAIN AND PALIN ARE INCITING VIOLENCE"

[orleans]

(if anything happens to obama these republicon pigs (mcpalin) need to be brought up on charges)

on dailykos:

MCCAIN AND PALIN ARE INCITING VIOLENCE- REMEMBER YITZHAK RABIN, TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY
by Obamawitz

Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 06:23:55 PM PDT

This is not just another scandal, or joke, or gaffe. Sarah Palin and John McCain are inciting violence, against Barack Obama and any of the millions of Americans who support his campaign. Anyone who is familiar with the recent history of Israel, and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by a right-wing extremist, will recognize the pattern. We must take this seriously, and make our protest against the McCain-Palin incitement to violence heard, before it is too late.

Sarah Palin's new punchline is calling Barack Obama a ""pal of terrorists."

It is easy to laugh, and to see this as yet another example of Sarah Palin's astonishing lack of knowledge and/or conscience--and it is that. But it's no laughing matter.

The United States is engaged in a "Global War On Terror."

Our policy--as advocated by Barack Obama as well as his opponents--is to attack not only terrorists, but states or organizations who harbor and support them.

In Virginia, you can see many license plates bearing the slogan "Fight Terror."

So it's very clear what Sarah Palin means when she calls Barack Obama a friend of terrorists. She's calling him an enemy. She's calling him a target. She's calling him someone who needs to be "taken out."

Don't kid yourselves. This is direct incitement to violence against Barack Obama, and against the millions of Americans who support his campaign to be our President.

In Israel, in the early 1990s, then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin faced similar accusations from the extreme Right, after he achieved a historic breakthrough and started the first-ever official Israeli negotiations with the PLO. The incitement came from above and below. It began with politicians in Israel's parliament using the exact same words--calling Rabin a "friend of terrorists." It continued with crowds of right-wing demonstrators, seething with hatred, chanting "Rabin is a traitor" and waving images of Rabin in Arab headdress and Nazi uniform. And it ended with a right-wing extremist assassinating Yitzhak Rabin, and mortally wounding the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

Make no mistake, people.

Think of the lies about Barack Obama that have been repeated a million times by our own homegrown American right-wing--no, not just that he will raise taxes on the middle class--that he is a brainwashed Manchurian candidate of Radical Islam, he is a Marxist, he won't say the Pledge of Allegiance, he swears on the Koran. We laugh it off because we know he's a politician, a better one than most, and about as much of a mensch as it's possible for an effective politician to be in these times. But it's no laughing matter if you believe this stuff--and some percentage of Americans do.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/6/203132/937

[Phredicles]

1. Recommended - Rabin's death set Isreal down a very bad path,

and seemingly irrevocably so. This kind of talk could have nightmarish consequences for us, too.

[tom_paine]

28. Rabin's muder gave Israel to the Bushies, lock, stock and barrel. What a coincidence!

Just a coincidence I am sure that nearly EVERY political murder or "accidental" death benefits the Bushie.

I mean. Strip away any theories and just recite the names.

JFK
RFK
MLK
JFKJr.
Carnahan
Wellstone

(I am sure you can think of more...there are quite a few more)

Even the few Republicans who got it were Bushie enemies or people threatening to expose them.

Heinz
Tower
Salem Bin Laden

Does that mean that ALL of these are assassinations? Nah. Probably one or two of them actually were close to the "official story" and actually were what they appeared to be.

Maybe one or two of them.

[HillbillyBob]

65. and the same fascist (which until recently thought was just noise)

families involved in the same kind of stuff since the robber barons, hell were the robber barons

[BrklynLiberal]

67. You are absolutely correct. It seems that it is ALWAYS the progressive, enlightened

voice that is silenced....and it is VERY hard to believe that they were not intentionally silenced.

I remember reading a very long list of Bush enemies that had met with unfortunate deaths in remote places...car accidents, "suicides" in motel rooms, small plane crashes, and other kinds of inexplicable occurrences such as these.

[Tesla]

131. They tried and missed Ronnie

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[Spiffarino]

180. I'm glad they did

Politicians should be targeted by ballots, not bullets. If we, the American people, were dumb enough to be hoodwinked by Reagan, then we deserved him.

[Grinchie]

161. Israel, and now Georgia WTF is the difference?

Georgia is an attempt to create another Israel on the borders of Russia.

Hey it worked for the Egyptian lands! We had a reason to meddle it the middle east since 1966. I'm talking about Israel, for those that don't follow History, or McCains fathers legacy. \

You know, the guy that had and indolent son that he forced into service. Look at the record, McCain is a screw up, there is no doubt. A lot like G W. Bush .. Rich kid, connected family with a history dating back to Civil War. In fact McCain's family is creepily involved with slavery and the Civil war. (I found this while researching Admiral McCain and the U.S.S. Liberty coverup. McCain = creepy legacy. IMHO McCain is a owned man, and while I like to fantasize about this, the reality is that an owned man does not serve the best interest of the citizenry.

Now with Sakashvili, we can "Protect/fund/proxy" Georgia againsnt Russia until our bankers realize that America is broke and under fascist rule. Not that it matters to the Money Changers.

The republicans can flail all they want. I welcome their effort, for it is similar to an aphid struggling to make it past the rose bush to the next food crop, but becoming exhausted in the process by an unhealthy plant in its path. Weaken the enemy along it's way, and we no longer need pesticides or other toxic inputs, Struggle Republicans -- expend your resources. We are aware of your pathology. At this point you are exposed and diminished. When you return, we wil counter you. Make no mistake, Religion in Government will be noted.

Religion outside it fine, since it does not alter policy.. , and it is on your dime.

Just don't expect it to save you when you fell and 300 foot tree, 200 feet onto my property. Expect a lawsuit.

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. Completely agree

Had a conversation this evening with a Dem friend about the same thing.

This has to stop, AND McCain AND Palin need to step up and stop it....but, that ain't gonna happen.
McCain doesn't give a shit about ethics, much less putting an American in danger, and not just any American, but a public officer of the Senate who is also running for the highest position in the nation.

McCain and Palin are terrorists for making these loose and false accusations.

[ann_american2004]

134. Yes McCain & Palin = Domestic Terrorists NOW

they've crossed the line

[Richard Steele]

3. K&R

[tridim]

4. I'm thinking if McCain doesn't rebuke this he should be censured in the Senate.

It's unacceptable in America.

[kiranon]

7. Agree absolutely. McCain should be censured in the Senate for this.

[Doodler71]

37. Agreed. nt

[solanus]

48. I agree

Maybe we should flood the cable channels with demands, McCain
should respond to this NOW, I have emailed them all

[bjobotts]

106. Senate condemns move on for language but not Palin and McCain

[bjobotts]

107. Head of the dem party in Arkansas was shot to death by anti-liberal assassin

[bjobotts]

108. Assassin had right wing pundits books telling him to kill Liberals.

[bjobotts]

109. McCain/Palin would rather instigate an assassination than lose an election

[bjobotts]

110. They should have told supporters wait a minute, he's not a traitor or a terrorist.

[bjobotts]

112. Instead athey encouarge supporters to condemn them as evil secret enemies.

[bjobotts]

114. Shame on McCain and his phony shallow Palin parrot. Shame.

[lovuian]

128. she should be arrested

if that was a dem we would be arrested

[lonestarnot]

5. K & R

[ClayZ]

6. K and R

They are committing Hate Crimes!

[tavalon]

8. Calling the racist rabble to voilence is much like yelling fire in a crowded theater

isn't it?

[onenote]

198. nope.

See the Supreme Court's decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969,

[Rocknrule]

9. If these lowlife fucks cause anything to happen to Obama

I sincerely hope they burn in hell

[Barbara2423]

10. Palin is Dangerous & Wicked

I hope people wake up very soon. Palin and McCain are dangerous to the American people. She knows exactly what she is doing, his blind ambition led him to pick her.

[RainDog]

13. I agree.

she is the most dangerous politician to come along since... Bush. And she's worse.

[solanus]

47. wow

I am so glad I found this site....I have been so upset since I
heard about how McCain  inciting something...I heard that in
Florida someone yelled "Kill Him" meaning Obama, in
a McCain rally, I have called people  and no one is paying
attention I even email, countdown, fox and CNN, this is
terrible, what nasty people (McCain and Palin)

[Jeroen]

61. Stop reading DU now!

:hi:

You will get addicted
Welcome to DU!

[graywarrior]

105. welcome!!!!

[ChiciB1]

116. Hello & Welcome Fellow Floridian!! We Will Win In Florida This Time!!

Been working locally to get candidates elected in a VERY RED COUNTY!! Getting Great numbers on Obama, but so many here have voted for the same people over & over, we are having a very hard time "edjumicating" others that we have 22 Democratic candidates running this time around!!

NEVER before have there been anywhere NEAR this many running and I've been here since 1978!! I'm just about worn out with all the WORK we've been doing!

Christine Jennings almost won last time, but looks bad for her this time. Her old rival JAN SCHNEIDER is pulling a "Joe Lieberman" and it will probably get VERN BUCHANAN re-elected!! She was a Democrat but has her name on the ballot as NPA!! It's personal between them, and I have voted for Jan in the past, but this time around... she's really turned me off!!

Vern Buchanan has 10 lawsuits against him RIGHT now, and in the past has had almost 182... still Jan won't step aside! I'm REALLY, REALLY REALLY upset about this!! Buchanan is a SKUNK!! That's being very nice to him... he's MUCH WORSE!!

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[ChiciB1]

135. Interesting... Thank You! n/t

[solanus]

50. email congressman demand McCain Rebuke

let's email washington

[bdamomma]

74. rallying up the christian fundis for sure.

these people are dangerous. too much religion can make people stupid, how true.

[Political Tiger]

115. What's ironic...

...is she has the nerve to call herself PRO-LIFE!

[L0oniX]

123. And Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez but Pat is pro life too.

I despise all these hypocrite fundie asscarrots!

[AdHocSolver]

11. McCain and Palin are doing this on purpose. They know the mentality of their followers.

I read somewhere that law enforcement officials (? FBI ?) have already "questioned" right-wing kooks for making threats against Obama.

These kooks were let go because the law types said "it was just talk". On the other hand, people have been arrested merely for criticizing Bush.

K and R.

[Human_Flavored_Tofu]

15. Oh I agree with you completely. The problem is they are preaching to the choir. They aren't

switching any votes with this tactic. They are just showing how low they are willing to go to win.

[The Hope Mobile]

54. Yes, during the Dem convention people were arrested but released

There have been plenty of other incidences that have not been cited by the MSM since quite a while before he got the nomination in June. And lets not forget that the KKK was outside the last Presidential Debate. If something happened to Obama (before or ANYTIME after the election, inauguration, whenever) it would be absolutely catastrophic/apocalyptic for this country. Too many people are deeply emotionally invested in this election and this man and the change he stands for. There are many desperate people out there and this is their only hope anymore.

[Porschenut1066]

12. Now you know why the Neocons arranged to have the 3rd Inf Bat.

Moved to the USA "in case there is trouble"

[krkaufman]

20. I suspect... because when they steal the election this time around ...

... the exit poll margins will be such that the theft will be immediately evident, and the people will finally hit the streets.

[orleans]

23. (you mean we are still going to have exit polls? but i thought

the pukies said all exit polls were bullshit.....so it's gotta be true :sarcasm: )

[Fire1]

92. I don't know how old you are, but I'm a 'baby boomer.' The people

following my generation, are NOT the activists we were. THAT IS WHY Gore was defeated and Kerry was defeated. No need for 'national guards' or 'battalions.' People, now, on both sides of the aisle are too complacent, too conservative and too sophisticated to indulge in such tactics or activities. They'll lay down and 'take it' like they always do.

[illuminaughty]

21. Oh, Good God

That just sent shivers down my spine. It's because they think (or they know) the unthinkable is going to happen.

[solanus]

49. Good God is right

I went to mass this morning and prayed for Obama, God help us!

[dixiegrrrrl]

41. We are being set up.

The Regime is praying for civil unrest, for martial law.
It is all being carefully crafted.

The only difference is there are many of us who can see it coming, instead of wondering what happened after the fact.

Shock Doctrine indeed.

edited to ad:

It is widespread now..see this:

Republican Party of Pennsylvania Press Release: OBAMA - A TERRORIST'S BEST FRIEND."


http://tinyurl.com/47z64z

[JimDandy]

83. It's time to call the Harrisburg Police Dept...

Tell them to either arrest Robert A. Gleason, Jr., the Chairman of the Republican Party of Pennsylvania for inciting violence, or to arrest Obama for being a terrorist's best friend.

They've crossed the line - big time. If any of US said this sentence in an airport, or on a plane, we'd be in jail immediately.

Harrisburg Police Department: [phone]

[happyslug]

147. Why are you asking to arrest Bob Gleason, I know, he a good man

We joke about the time he and his brother went to the 1964 GOP Convention, as Rockefeller supporters. He told me it was scary how radical the Right wing who backed Goldwater were THEN. I suspect this is a release put out by the National Campaign that the State GOP had to sent out in its name. I can not see Bob Gleason doing this, not his style. Anyway he and his brother Andy live in Johnstown NOT Harrisburg. Our Local Judges, AlL Democrats, would NOT approve of it, they deal with both constantly (we are NOT a big County). I deal with them every couple of months, easy to get along with and work with.

[JimDandy]

158. Robert A. Gleason released it. Inciting violence is not covered under "Free Speech."

an email...from the Republican Party of Pennsylvania...headlined: "PAGOP: OBAMA - A TERRORIST'S BEST FRIEND."

Here's the meat of it:

HARRISBURG – Republican Party of Pennsylvania Chairman Robert A. Gleason, Jr. released the following statement regarding Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers, a terrorist who helped found a group called the Weather Underground. The Weather Underground is a left-wing extremist group that was responsible for bombing both the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon in the 70’s. The group was also responsible for a pipe bomb that killed a San Francisco police officer in 1970.

“Barack Obama’s association with terrorist Bill Ayers is alarming and absolutely deserves to be questioned,” Gleason said. “We are electing someone to be our next Commander-in-Chief and I think it is more than fair to look into their background. The Obama Campaign admitted that Obama and Ayers were ‘certainly friendly’ and that says a lot about Barack Obama’s character. Ayers’ is a terrorist, and there is no denying that the group he founded attacked our country and killed innocent Americans.

“Obama claims that he didn’t know about Ayers background as a terrorist, but I find that hard to believe. Ayers past is well known and he has been quoted in numerous articles, including in The New York Times where he said that he thought he didn’t do enough and wishes that he would have set off more bombs. What does it say about the character of Barack Obama that he knowingly associates with terrorists? It tells me that Obama lacks the judgment and character to be our next Commander-in-Chief.”

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/GOP_hits_rock_bottom_Calls_Obama_in_an_official_release_terrorists_best_friend.html
*****************************************************

It appears, from your description, that Gleason is being two-faced - nice to the locals, nasty to the opposition. Statements like this cross the line,though, and are indefensible whether made by a McCain water bearer such as Gleason or by McCain himself. When Palin made about the same statement at her rally on Monday, someone in the crowd yelled "Kill him." The FBI is investigating that incident.

Ayers' association with potential violence was forty years ago--Gleason's association with potential violence was just yesterday.

[HillbillyBob]

87. Some of us have seen it coming since ronnyrayguns time.

[defendandprotect]

149. Must have been pretty tough to wake people up then.....

Now - considering the October Surprise --

suspicious failures of Carter rescue missions, non-stop attacks on Carter --

I certainly wasn't paying enough attention to those things that seemed odd --

yet I knew about the coup on JFK and my first instincts about that was it could

pave way for fascism -- but who else said they thought that at the time ...?

Probably only Garrison.

I wasn't political -- and was too stupid to understand the absolute evil of these

people. Hard to believe anyone wants perpetual war -- but they do!

I did wake up in '88 .... pretty late --

By then, you could smell fascism in the air.

[life long demo]

186. duplicate

[life long demo]

189. duplicate

[life long demo]

190. This is disgusting

I live in Pennsylvania. Thank you for the article. I sent an e-mail to my local GOP representative in Montgomery Co. (I'm Democratic) condemning that. This is becoming really weird. Now I'm getting concerned. A little about the election, but mostly for Barack's safety.

[BrklynLiberal]

69. Can you say "MARTIAL LAW"???

[14thColony]

100. I wouldn't read too much into that

One infantry brigade (not a battalion) is about 5,000 troops. Not even the size of the police department of a single large city, albeit (slightly) better armed. They could control two, maybe three large cities by augmenting the local police, but that's about it.

[autorank]

14. I can't recommend this enough, this awareness. Thanks Orleans. k*r

This is a thought I had the first moment I heard that annoying voice of Palin's saying Obama "pals
around with domestic terrorists." Then the story about the sheriff or deputy sheriff endorsing this.

Their vulgarity translates into threats to Obama, that's for sure. There are a lot of people
out there who diet on Fox News & Limbaugh. Take a percent who are unstable, and there's your
pool of killers.

This is truly disgusting. McCain has shown himself to be the very lowest of political leaders.
As for Palin, what you see is who she is.

[loudsue]

16. Thank you for bringing this up, autorank. There are too many of those

radical wing nut types that live in my community, and I really fear for Obama and his family....AND HIS FAMILY.

I hope his security is on top of all of this. McCain and Palin know EXACTLY how dangerous their rhetoric is for Obama and his family's safety, and the media needs to be BLASTED by the Obama fans calling them out for it.

Starting early Tuesday morning, the phones need to be ringing off the hooks of every newspaper and television station in the country, letting them know that this behavior of Palin/McCain is WAY the fuck over the line.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I will take exception at them being aware

but the language is very dangerous

Why am I saying I doubt they are aware? Most people are not aware of how dangerous the language is

[AdHocSolver]

19. Just like the Nazis weren't aware that their antisemitic rhetoric would provoke Kristallnacht? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. The Nazi leadership was, but in this case I highly doubt

these guys, (and gals) who are truly racist... are aware.

Now if there is even an attempt, that thing about incitement to violence in state and federal laws applies

[conscious evolution]

68. Not only state and national laws

Inciting ethnic or racial hatred and violence is a crime against humanity.

[autorank]

24. Way the f*#k out of line.

This is serious business. I lived through Kennedy-King-Kennedy-Malcom X. I was a bit young (cough,
cough) to fully understand it. But it didn't take long to figure out that the forces of ignorance
and vile behavior are always lurking. This behavior is totally unacceptable and the perpetrators
are the very worst type of people.

[BrklynLiberal]

70. I am not sure about McSame, but I AM sure that the barracuda and all the advisors

to the repuke campaign know EXACTLY what they are doing...just another indication of their priorities: Get into the White House at any cost, even the total destruction of the US.

I think McSame is too far gone to understand the implications. He is a tool and does not even know it...but I could very well be wrong.

[bonito]

143. K&R n/t

[pokerfan]

18. The gloves are off, the hats are on...

:puke:

[ann_american2004]

136. OMG

that's. scary.

[pokerfan]

145. What else are we to think

when they whip their crowds into such a frenzy where their followers are shouting "traitor!" "terrorist!" and "kill him!" at campaign rallies?

[LynnTheDem]

22. Well golly gee, good thing George W. bUsh ordered US troops back to the USA to

"help with civil unrest"!

What are all those connected dots...?

[Porschenut1066]

25. ...In May 2007 Bush signed an executive order that said

If there is a National Emergency that he defines and he declares, President Bush becomes in charge of all three branches of Government, all Law Enforcement and all Military including all National Guard. He would be called "Protector of Democracy" until such time as he declares an end to the emergency.

This executive order was signed very quietly and placed on the Homeland Security site. But no press coverage, no news coverage, nothing.

I must say I have been expecting Bush to pull some sort of stunt or perhaps a fake terrorist attack or perhaps as Cheney said before 911 "In order to justify invading Iraq, what we need is a new Pearl Harbor"

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. Too be unleashed on the citizens on Nov. 5th? Will that be george's National Emergency?

President Elect Obama?

[Vilis Veritas]

59. NSPD 51...

I sure would like to see the Annexes attached to the directive...

...

(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.

(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders.

GEORGE W. BUSH

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

[Dems4me]

26. MCCAIN AND PALIN ARE INCITING VIOLENCE

Between them and FOX, many people here in VA and TN really believe this garbage. My kids tell me
this is what their friends parents say about Obama and the churches they go to say about him.
Unfortunately it's everywhere here.

[elizfeelinggreat]

30. welcome to DU

The level of hatred they achieve with their lies is amazing, isn't it? :(

[orleans]

43. that is so chilling--

thank you for making this thread the one for your first post (after nearly 2 years!)

a belated welcome.

[momto3]

62. Absolutely.

I live in middle TN and my third grader comes home yesterday telling me that her best friend called Obama a terrorist. Of course, she then asked what that meant. The majority of the people in this area only listen to Fox or right-wing radio (which is very prevalent) and believe all that they are told.

BTW - welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Dems4me]

159. Thank you for being so welcoming...

I first posted back when W was running for president lost my pc and when I got
one again, I kept messing my login up. So this time DU had to set me up completely new again.
I'm glad to be back amongst fellow Dems! :)

[illuminaughty]

164. Welcome!

I was in Louisiana and Texas with my family recently and I was horrified at some of the rumblings.
It's frightening

[Dems4me]

191. I fear it will get worse before this election is over with. n/t

[Imagevision]

27. If McPalin can get a supporter to shout out kill him? hey, repugs did JFK MLK and RFK everythigs off

the table!

[smoogatz]

29. We ain't seen nothin' yet.

Just wait; the election's still three weeks away. We're about to see the American conservative coalition discredited as racist troglodyte scumbags for a generation. But--and here's the part that worries me--I think the neocons are not very subtly trying to set up another lone wacko assassination scenario, a la JFK, RFK and MLK. If it happens, if there's an attempt on Obama's life, the impetus and planning for it will have come straight out of Cheney's office.

[BrklynLiberal]

71. That thought is so sickening because it seems too plausible...

:scared: :cry:

[illuminaughty]

165. They know what they're doing

Lone wacko scenario exactly.

[elizfeelinggreat]

31. k & r

[spanone]

32. in essence, she is calling barack obama a traitor.....unbelievable

[mod mom]

33. this just up at TPM:

10.07.08 -- 9:42AM // link | recommend (4)

Her Bile Bubbles Over
From WaPo ...

McCain had said that racially explosive attacks related to Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are off limits. But Palin told New York Times columnist Bill Kristol in an interview published Monday: "I don't know why that association isn't discussed more."
Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222422.php

WAY TO GET THE PRESS BEHIND YOU! I HAVE TO THINK THE STRATEGY BEHIND THIS IS VIOLENCE, THEY DO HAVE TROOPS ASHORE TO QUELL THE UNREST, AFTERALL.

[ThatsMyBarack]

34. I wasn't born in 1968, but....

I'd hate to have to live through all this riot and violence shit exactly 40 years later! :eyes:

[misskittysister]

53. It was ugly...

In 1968 I was 18 and I'll never forget the ugliness of that year. There was hope, with Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy speaking truth to power, but look what happened to RFK, and MLK. Very scary times, and we ended up with Tricky Dick and Spiro T. Agnew. Glad that even though you weren't born, you're aware! Too many who were around don't remember the history, and are in danger of repeating it.

[ChiciB1]

137. Hey... I Remember It Too! It WAS Ugly & I Cried For Days & Days

for BOBBY! I gave him all my HOPE & HEART back then. Was too young to vote for his brother, but BOBBY was way up there in the sky for me!!

And yes, it was unbelievable what was going on... but it was about WAR! Now, it's WAR & THE ECONOMY!! More combustion than I want to think about!!!

[ThatsMyBarack]

130. Thanks, misskittysister!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[magellan]

35. BOTH parties will be responsible

In case it's escaped the Dems, silence isn't a viable response to such vile hatred. For 8 years the racists and bigots among us have received tacit approval of their violent fantasies from the Bush** administration and leading Repubs, without a word of protest from the Democratic Party. The ONLY time any of them have spoken up was when Chavez likened Bush** to the devil -- then Pelosi suddenly found a microphone.

If anything happens to Obama as a result of this hate-mongering, the blame will fall squarely on BOTH parties.

[bbgrunt]

56. ..and as far as I know, Barack is not Muslim.

[magellan]

111. edit -- sorry, I missed the "and" starting your sentence

They really should come out and denounce this crap.

[illuminaughty]

166. blame on both parties and their silence

[Barrymores Ghost]

57. Recommending this response.....

...and good to "see" you again.

[magellan]

113. Hey, BG!

Good to "see" you too. Love your sig pic, lol.

[Barrymores Ghost]

133. I stole it from a Freeper and altered the text.

I doubt he'd appreciate the wordplay as much as some here.

[BrklynLiberal]

72. First they came for the.....

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

[Doodler71]

36. My second grader pointed this out yesterday

and if he can see and understand that it is wrong, then shame on John McCain and Sarah Palin.

This is beyond sickening. I wish they be charged with something like reckless endangerment. There is not a shred of decency or honor in either of them.

[Night_Nurse]

125. Nothing more vicious or dangerous than a cornered Rethug... KnR nt

[young_at_heart]

39. Is there no limit to how low they will sink?

This America is not the one I've known for 69 years!

[Dukkha]

42. she's a violent thug under the guise of a ditsy cheerleader

this is someone who murders animals for fun. she has a blood lust for violence and it reflects in her veiled threats.

[Amonester]

44. "Inciting violence" is some kind of "Terrorism" by itself

is it not?

[petwlkr]

45. We can expect more of this

Man shot three times in street by racist gunman - for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt


A man told today how he was shot three times in a London street for wearing a Barack Obama T-shirt.
Dube Egwuatu was buying a mobile telephone top-up card in an off-licence when the gunman confronted him and glared at the top, which carries an image of the Democrat US presidential candidate underneath the legend 'Believe'.
The man then launched into a tirade of racist slurs, shouting 'I f***ing
hate n*****s' and urging 36-year-old Mr Egwuatu to leave the shop with him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070975/Man-shot-times-street-racist-gunman--wearing-Barack-Obama-T-shirt.html

[Amonester]

46. 'He was telling me that he was going to kill me."

THAT sure sounds like an act of tera to me.

(It's good to know Mr. Egwuatu will be ok soon, though)

[petwlkr]

51. Undoubtedly

Those on the right will try to write this off as an isolated incident.

[Pooka Fey]

52. K&R

[elbram]

55. McCain and Palin condone the worst Obama smears with deafening silence.

I thought this was a well-written blog regarding this subject.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/101933/when_their_supporters_call_obama_a_terrorist_and_demand_his_assassination,_mccain_and_palin_remain_silent/

[B Calm]

58. All republicans are smear mongering bastards! They can't run on

their record! It's all they got.

[alfredo]

60. Two Minutes of Hate

[Dystopian]

63. KandR....

As I watched Barack speak on TV this weekend, I started to cry...fearing for his life.
I didn't know why...this was the first time I had such a powerful feeling....
Now I know why.....She went deeper into my mind than I had thought......
The evil Palin...the follower of Jesus.



peace~

[Name removed]

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[Ganja Ninja]

73. If anything happens to Obama it's on.

This country will burn.

[BrklynLiberal]

77. Frankly.. I hope so..I would hate to think that the people of this country would sit quietly by

and not take to the streets with with pitchforks and whatever other weapon they could grab to fight the Fascist govt that would then be in place.

[bdamomma]

78. it certainly will, but does anyone feel we are being set up for this.

[illuminaughty]

168. I do

I was afraid what would happen if he won the nomination, then I thought it was just me being my normal tinfoil hat self. Then I went to the South for a visit. Many Barak supporters say aloud that this is what they fear.

[orleans]

192. i fear it. i have a real problem watching him live on tv

when he gave his acceptance speech i had to close my eyes so i could just concentrate on what he was saying, instead of my paranoia that something would happen.

[George II]

66. There was no admonition toward the person in Palin's audience yesterday who said "kill him!"

Any NORMAL candidate in any normal campaign would have put an end to it right there. But not these ne'er-do-well thugs who call themselves "Americans"

They are the lowest of the low. I wouldn't put it past some of their goons burning down the Capitol (as in "Reichstag"?) and blaming it on the Democrats.

They turned a sad page in American politics this weekend. Hopefully no harm will come to ANY candidate and Obama/Biden kick ass in November.

[Lordquinton]

117. This reminded me

Back in the primaries sometime, Obama said Hillary's name (I believe it was) and the croud booed, to which he gave the "settle down" kind of gesture to try and stop it, and he still got blasted for it.

She does this and dosen't blink. Makes me a sad panda.

[Waiting For Everyman]

75. Yes, it's over the line and irresponsible - needs to be stopped.

I was concerned about this before this latest outbreak. Authorities need to have a little chat with McC/P. If not, media has to object. After something happens is too late.

It's unacceptable. Besides, it's absurd, and of no value.

Frankly, I said after McC's "The One" (antichrist) ad, I thought McC was hoping someone would take a shot at Obama. It isn't as if this has never happened before in a U.S. campaign... JFK, RFK, George Wallace. I can't believe the Secret Service or FBI hasn't done something about it already.

Spreading it all over the tv and radio is just as bad. And some of the RW pundits openly incite violence on a frequent basis. That's over the line too.

I can't believe the McC/P ticket doesn't discourage that, when it's heard publicly in their rallies. They do nothing, that's the same as condoning or encouraging it. Incredible.

[bdamomma]

76. here is a thread if DU'ers want to start flooding the media

with addresses and phone numbers from another concerned DU'er, this needs to be addressed or it will get worse.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7334714

here is another thread also with addresses

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1903

[BrklynLiberal]

79. Thank you!!!

[orleans]

82. thanks for the link, alyce. i'm going to make a few calls--they have got to address this

randi is talking about this now--she referred to mccain whipping up his lynch mob. and that is exactly what those fuckers are doing.

[bdamomma]

84. we need to address this.

[Dems4me]

162. Thank You for the Links....I have sent out eight emails so far!

[Name removed]

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[bdamomma]

81. kick

this is too serious for us not to say anything.

[chowder66]

85. McCain succeeded in getting off topic again??

A clip from Katie Couric is talking about voter purging on Randi Rhodes.


Back to the topic...McCain wanted to get off of economics and while what they are doing is disgusting regarding the rally smears we need
to drive the main topic back towards Obama's strenghths/the economy.

[Vattel]

86. The OP is ridiculous.

Saying that Obama pals around with terrorists (i.e., Ayers) isn't a "direct incitement to violence." and it's not calling him a "target" or "someone who needs to be 'taken out.'" That sort of hyperbole is silly. Saying that Obama pals around with terrorists is just another stupid smear of Obama.

[HillbillyBob]

88. Have you ever faced down a lynch mob or some bunch in white sheets?

I have , it starts out with off color sneers and smears, if you don't kiss their a@@es
then it gets nastier, using coded type language and rapidly progresses to outright
stuff. I was lucky I was a homosissy in Alabama that owned a pump shotgun.
That was what saved me, my partner, a black female house guest and my home from goin up in
the fire they were trying to set on that cross.
So you cannot tell me what a smear is or is not.
I put up with a lot of shit over the years and I am through putting up
with nazi fascist kkk a holes.
For years there has been a shift to the far far reich, since before ww2.
There has also been a concerted efford by the 4 reich to smear, murder, and other wise put
left, liberal, and progressives in the terrorist kamp, the next move they start literal
round ups to put us in kamps. They are already built by KBR /Haliburton under a no bid
bid for 385millon over a 5 year term.

[Vattel]

98. I think we agree

that saying that Obama pals around with terrorists is a smear. I hope that we agree that it's not a direct incitement to violence.

[savistocate]

157. NO ONE on this long list of replies agrees it is _not_

incitement to violence..encouragesit. No it is simply not a mere smear as you are pressing all others to accept..swear to.

[orleans]

97. so...someone calling obama "he's a terrorist, he's a terrorist"

at a mccain rally and later someone shouting at a palin rally: "kill him!" doesn't fucking bother you?

mccain whips up his lynch mob (randi just said a black photographer was told to "sit down, boy"), he doesn't address the freak in the crowd calling obama a terrorist, palin doesn't address the freak who is calling out "kill him," as far as i know these assholes weren't removed by the secret service, and that doesn't bother you?

that is acceptable behavior?

calling a united states senator a terrorist and shouting "kill him?"

that's okay?

what would happen if dems started screaming "kill him" about bush?

if you or i did that we'd have our asses hauled off to jail and our families would wonder where the hell we were.


jesus--we get tombstoned for shit like that here. but you're okay with it in a public forum? ("Do not post messages that advocate harm or death to anyone," http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html )

what *does* bother you?

[Vattel]

99. We agree

that someone shouting "Kill him" at a rally is a direct incitement to violence. Try to address what I actually said.

[orleans]

101. try to address the point--the reality of the situation--and what mcpalin are doing

try to address the fact that it turns into a slippery slope when they rally the loose cannons in their packs and where they are leading their crazy-ass "base"

try not to excuse mccain and palin to me.

and i will TRY to understand how you think paring obama with terrorists doesn't necessarily incite violence in your mind and that it just means mcpalin do not know how to play nice with the others on the playground.

[Vattel]

121. I'm not sure

what you mean by "paring obama with terrorists."

edited for typo

[Tarc]

104. Its all part of the same package of hate

Trying to cast Obama as a terrorist collaborator is no different than the "kill him!" catcalls when viewed from the larger perspective.

[Vattel]

127. Nobody

suggested that he was involved in any terorrist plot. So saying that he paled around with terrorists is not to call him a target or to directly incite violence or--oh what's the use.

[9thkvius]

89. We see this already, and it makes me afraid

I think it is highly likely that Senator Obama will be elected. I think most people now realize that. Even the other side is beginning to realize that, and that is going to make the more paranoid and unreasonable among them (not all, but definitely a lot of people) even more desperate. Desperate people feel like they have less to lose, and as a result I am very worried that someone will try to kill Obama before he can become President.

I see it like this. Many people who are politically conservative believe that the ends justifies the means. That is why they will gladly throw the Constitution under the bus if they feel like it is an impediment to their goals. And violence is not beyond the pale for many of them sadly - otherwise they would not be so giddy about torture, executions, and of course fighting wars. Conservatism also attracts people who have a bit of an authoritarian personality, who either want to be obeyed, no questions asked, or want to be a follower in which someone else tells them what to do and what to think. As alien as I find those ideas, I understand where they comes from - fear, especially a fear of uncertainty and instability. A LOT of people out there will settle for certainty and the perception of stability at the expense of our democracy. As the economy gets worse, all of this anti-liberal rhetoric is also going to get a lot worse, I am afraid, as more angry frustrated people out there are told by their "leaders" that liberals are the source of all their problems. It's like that guy who went into the Unitarian church in Knoxville - the guy was an emotionally disturbed unemployed conservative who decided to lash out, and he chose a symbol of liberalism in his community, as he admitted, because he knew he wouldn't be able to get to the people he really wanted. Hell, they are already seeing this kind of mentality in other places, like the person who cut the brake lines of cars with liberal stickers in Canada. I fear for what the next few months will bring. There are going to be a lot more people out there freaking out about the loss of their jobs and/or their homes, and I think that many of them who are not introspective (which is many, maybe even most of them) will turn that anger onto the wrong targets. That is what much of contemporary conservatism is all about, really, pointing blame at others for what the powerful are themselves responsible. And so what you will see is an escalation of both the rhetoric AND the violence, and yet many of the talking heads will claim there is no relation between the two.

[savistocate]

160. Your interpretation - merely a lil ol smear job is w e a k--

which is why it's one of -looks like hundreds.

[sweetroxie]

90. This is a very frightening development

How can McPalin "take off the gloves" when they've been off from the start? They're stirring up a rats nest.

[uppityperson]

91. k&r

[malaise]

93. What's more M$Greedia is encouraging them

to take this approach.

AB Stoddard, one of the leading hacks at Politico is as naked as ever. She sure thinks this is the right approach.

reword.

[PatrynXX]

94. hence the guy who shot up a church

Think Bill Moyer's show pointed to right wing radio hosts. About the guy who shot up a church because it was a Liberal church. Had tons of Right wing propaganda at his house.

[angryvoter]

95. I wrote to MSNBC:

:mad: I wrote to Chris Matthews "Hardball" and stated why is the press pushing this mudslinging by Obama is seen as negative because as I see it, it was Palin that opened that door. The Keating 5 is relevant in my opinion to what is happening here now with the market. I also stated that Palin and McCain are stirring up hate crimes and that I wouldn't be surprised if we start see a rise in that and I hold them accountable. McCain should have said something when those hecklers said that when ? "who is Obama really" and they said a terrorist. You know he heard that because he made a face. Now we have people yelling "kill him" and people turning on the media and making racist attacks against innocent people doing their job. (reported at Palins last rally in Florida). This is very disturbing and making me very nervous. Is this where the Martial Law comes into play because they are loosing so they are gonna stir shit up? Not Good at all. McCain and Palin should just pack it up and get the hell out.

[gordianot]

96. It makes you nostalgic for the good old days when they questioned Obama's patriotism.

A line has been crossed.

[Joe Chi Minh]

102. K&R

[larf007]

103. McShame

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF5GsX2qjC0

[ihavenobias]

118. K & R, thanks for posting Orleans n/t

[ThePowerofWill]

119. I believe it.

I have told many people that Obama will win, but they'll(some right wing racist fundie fool) kill him. Thats my worst fear, and i have had it since before he won the nomination.

[debbierlus]

120. It is sick. And, the media completely fostered it by allowing hate & lies to equate to debate

[mcollier]

122. YES WE CAN!!!!

WE are stronger together more than ever.... regardless of what happens, YES WE CAN!

[Jackpine Radical]

124. "Who will rid me of this troublesome

n*****?"

[lyonn]

126. Bushies have been beating the drum against terrorism and wins

elections for years now. Usually the people get videos of Bin Laden or his side kick with some chatter about how our elections should go, or, the Admin./atty general would announce a "high alert" due to dubious intel that we may be attacked, ugh. We all know the routine. This time it seems they are so desperate that they have made Barack the new "terrorist". How low can the repubs go, we are watching night and day for days now these ridiculous stories.

When will our weak media and important Dems do a shout out as to what is truly happening here. Freedom of speech has taken on a new meaning, they can now shout fire in a crowded theater........

[Kajsa]

129. You are absolutely right and THIS is why

her BS comment got my ire, besides the fact
that it was a LIE.

And she smirked the whole time she was doing it.

She's targeting Obama for any loony toon who sees
fit to-- I can't write this, guys!

You all know exactly what I'm talking about.

I can't stand to see it in print- SHIT!

I don't think I've despised another human being ( is she one?)
quite as much as Failin Palin.
She is incredibly evil and stupid, a bad combination.

:grr:

[bliss_eternal]

170. Don't let them get to you, Kajsa...

:hug:

[Kajsa]

179. Thanks, Bliss eternal,

I appreciate your kind words.

:) :hug:

[Augdog20]

138. The best word for the Republicans

is Repugnicans.
They are repugnant.
Repugnant.
They stop at nothing.
Smear; incite violence: Look at the other story today: a brick through a Dem Party office in Colorado.
videos and analysis at my political blog
http://bluesunited.blogspot.com

[Raster]

140. rethuglicans

[TomClash]

139. It's true - with Rabin there was a chance nt

[CLANG]

141. KO is hitting this hard right now!

[jeepnstein]

144. The far right is primed...

for a killing. They have truly convinced themselves that an assassination is the only way to save the Republic. Some web sites I visit from time-to-time are seething with anger. Palin is pandering to these guys in a way that is just playing with fire. The inevitable result of this pandering will be just fine with her and her kind. Once these guys start losing their jobs in the economic slowdown and blaming the Democrat Party for it the fuse will be lit.

Be aware that some of them view Democrats as enemies of the nation and nothing more than a public relations arm of Al Queda. Seriously, they really think the Democrat Party is some kind of Cabal bent on imposing a Marxist revolution on our society. Never mind that most of them couldn't have an intelligent discussion on political philosophy if you held a gun to their heads. Never mind that an Islamic state is not exactly a Marxist's dream come true. When you're that far around the bend nothing else matters.

I don't think anyone will get to Obama. He'll win the election and then some right winger will go Timothy McVeigh against a Federal facility.

[Zookeeper]

146. Palin is vicious, ruthless and dangerous. n/t

[crazylpn]

167. I agree!!

:kick: McShame and "the bitch" have no business being candidates. The evil bastards, anyway!!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

148. In Virginia, you can see many license plates bearing the slogan "Fight Terror."

One of the many different special interest plates you can get in Virginia. I was hoping Virginia would offer "Fight Injustice" plates. No dice.

[onenote]

196. did you try to get them to offer a "Fight Injustice" plate?

There is a specific procedure in VA whereby citizens can propose new special interest plates. Did you actually try going through that process? There is, by the way, a "Peace" plate in Virginia (also a "Friend of Tibet" plate,fwiw).

[mahatmakanejeeves]

199. Did you actually try...?

No. I figured it would be a lost cause. Besides, I'm too cheap to pay any more for plates than the bare minimum.

Thanks for writing.

[OHDEM]

150. I almost fell over when Olbermann starting talking about this.

He really gets the story out & it was great to see it together. I chat on AOL boards on occasion mainly because there are so many psycho right-wingers and I don't want a low info voter to think Americans are all like that. Anyway, I have seen a number of comments from that about taking up arms if they don't get their way. These same people accuse Barack of palling with a terrorist while they're threating their own nation! I'm sickened.

[orleans]

151. i'm glad keith was talking about it. n/t

[Miss Chybil]

152. This is exactly what I've been saying. People don't tolerate the word Nazi,

or calling someone "Hitler" very well and neither should we tolerate calling someone a terrorist, or a terrorist "pal." Actually, calling someone a terrorist is much more dangerous than calling them Hitler. Hitler is already dead. How dare they call my candidate for president a terrorist! It's outrageous. Plain outrageous.

[EVDebs]

153. I hear they've brought home US troops to be deployed domestically

I hear they've brought home US troops to be deployed domestically in order to put down protests. This would be similar to the Bonus Army March fiasco of 1932, when US army troops attacked protesting WWI veterans and their families. Gen MacArthur and Majors Patton and Eisenhower participated in this shameful event.

Looks like history is about to repeat itself.

[goforit]

154. Palin will be indicted with first dergree murder. Unbelievable.

[Tigress DEM]

155. "IF Obama is such a friend to terrorists, WHY's he the one ready to take out Bin Laden?"

[lisainmilo]

156. Extreme and desperate FEAR AND SMEAR, however

given the climate of terrorism dumbasses rednecks are falling for this. Palin and McCain should be cited for using this type of language.

[judasdisney]

163. Pelosi & Reid, the Ergenekon moles, will say something to neutralize McCain culpability

You watch & see. Pelosi or Reid will say something to turn this into a GIFT for McCain, making this entire issue a point of JUSTIFICATION for McCain/Palin, and neutralizing the seriousness of the issue.

That's because Pelosi & Reid are Ergenekon moles.

[geiger]

169. When I heard her say this is gave me the creeps. She's no longer an amusement. eom.

[The Wizard]

171. It's the Republican M.O.

Shout down anyone who disagrees and threaten with physical violence in veiled or overt terms.
All of hate radio is filled with it as is Pox News. Fuck these assholes. Point at them and laugh.
Loud mouthed bullies who are frightened at the core can only bluster and chest thump like professional wrestlers. In essence, they are for the most part, living in a cartoon world.
After 9-11 their fearless leader was going to smoke out the "evil doers." When I heard that I said we have Batman in the Oval Office.
Republicans suffer from thought disorders compounded by loose associations.

[pitchforksandtorches]

172. DO SOMETHING! Send it to the local newspapers, nat'l blogs etc.

John “Country Last” McCain and Sarah Palin held some truly hate filled rallies on Monday. Here’s a montage from McCain’s hatefest 2008
During this rally, a McCain supporter answers the question posed by Senator Country Last, “Who is the real Barack Obama?” The unmistakable answer: terrorist!
Palin says nothing.
But the current political environment does not excuse remaining silent when a candidate for president is referred to as a “terrorist” in your presence. A desire to win does not excuse remaining silent during a threat on the life of a U.S. Senator at one of your rallies. There are no excuses for evil such as this. John McCain and Sarah Palin, the GOP and all who support them have lost all rights to legitimate argument.
Then we have a Palin fan get real ugly:
Worse, Palin’s routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

[Zero Division]

173. I just had it out with a co-worker over this.

I've been talking politics with a republican-voting co-worker who seemed pretty receptive to Democratic ideas, but now she hates Obama with a seething passion, acting like he's some kind of combination of Karl Marx meets bin Laden. We got into a heated argument and just decided to agree to disagree. Her source is right wing radio, but according to her I'm "brainwashed" by the liberal media. I wish I could have pointed out the Republican endorsements of Obama at the time, but I was really surprised by how hard she's bought into this smear. She thinks Ayers was some kind of personal political guru for Obama, and she wouldn't listen to any other opinion. At least I can say that she won't vote for McCain.

I agree that this kind of thinking is not to be taken lightly, as it does encourage the acceptance of violence towards Obama and those who support him.

[JimDandy]

183. Don't worry - she is certainly one of those people

who was NEVER receptive to Democratic ideas. Right-wing radio? Come on!

[JimDandy]

184. Dupe-Something's buggy today

[JimDandy]

185. Dupe-darn bug

[earth mom]

174. Most rethuglicans are sociopaths.

:puke:

[serrano2008]

195. Is it sociopaths or psychopaths?

Which one is it that knows the difference between right and wrong...they just don't care? I was trying to explain this concept to my wife the other day.

[Name removed]

175. Deleted message

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[ziptied]

176. Will Someone, Anyone Send Me A Personal Message?

I'm new and I want to see if I have this set up correctly.

Thanks

[orleans]

178. no can do.

"That user cannot receive private messages yet.
If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator."

[scytherius]

177. A shoutout to the Freepers who have this page linked

Hey guys! Welcome to the real world.

[whistle]

181. Are these McCain/Palin supporters going onto the Federal terrorist lists?

...That is where they belong

[Fire1]

182. It SHOULD be OBVIOUS that LEGAL ACTION against

McCain's campaign is appropriate. Such action must be taken by Senator Obama and his camp. He and his wife are attorneys and know full well the ramifications and violations of 'inciting' violence. We can write all the e-mails to the press (and phone calls)that we want. However, the most effective action has to be taken by Senator Obama, himself.

[onenote]

197. it would only be obvious if we didn't have a first amendment

Politically, Palin and McCain should be called out for their rhetoric and for not condemning the hate spewed by some in their audience. But legally, they are not liable for the speech of another person.

In the US, the crime of "incitement" to the extent it exists, is very narrow, thanks to some very smart and progressive justices of the Supreme Court, including William O. Douglas, Thurgood Marshall, William Brennan, Hugo Black etc, all of whom participated in the unanimous decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, where the conviction of a KKK leader for "advocacy" of violence was overturned. The court made it clear that in order constitute a criminal act, speech must be directed to inciting or producing "imminent" lawless action and must be "likely" to incite or produce such action.

If there is a case for incitement here, and I'm not saying there is, it woudl be against the idiot who yelled "kill him" not against palin or mccain. But, again, they should be called out politically, but not legally.

[Infinite Hope]

187. That may be the effect, but I highly doubt that's the intent.

Their intent is the same Cheney fear b.s.

[Infinite Hope]

188. That may be the effect, but I highly doubt that's the intent.

Their intent is the same Cheney fear b.s.

[joeching]

193. mccain is the worst of them all, except palin may be worse

mccain is not exactly bush. he is an extrapolation
from bush to cheney, to rumsfeld. he's the warmonger among all warmongers.

mccain is also the successor to goldwater. goldwater wanted to win in vietnam, by way of nuking china; mccain now wants to win in iraq -- by way of bombing russia, after annihilating iran and north korea.

but most of all, mccain is a bigger loser than bush. bush escalated from the $400 billion saving and loan scandal in texas to the $700billion bailout just the other day; mccain tried to win in vietnam but wound up getting caught and tortured as
a war criminal. now mccain want to revenge by way of a world war 3.

[Quantess]

194. Still relevant