So is this collapse to get ready for the Amero and NAU

[lovuian]

One asks is this collapse to get people to say lets start all over
from scratch and unite our currencies with Canada and Mexico and form the North American Union

one wonders if the stage is being set for the collapse of the dollar and destruction of the financial world

so they can start a New currency the Amero



Is it coming one wonders? I have been documenting the steps toward it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIEP7jreJ-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymuE9a3Kb7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBV3vEglTrQ

[Speck Tater]

1. Tinfoil. The crash might mean the end of the Euro, though. NT

[lovuian]

2. Oh ya this is a tinfoil moment in time

:tinfoilhat:

[Fenris]

3. The most likely scenario would facilitate the breakup of a pooled currency like the Euro.

It certainly wouldn't offer a great incentive to form a union.

[RB TexLa]

4. Regional political unions are part of the way to stability. Apparently the right has you on their

bit about 'Merican sovereignty being "precious" and that you should "cherish" it. You going to give us your Uuuuuu! Essssss! Aaaaaaa! chant?


Hook . . . . . . Line . . . . . . Sinker

[bhikkhu]

5. Canada seems to be doing ok still

I doubt that they'd agree to join up for any part of this mess. And Mexico is completely screwed, the longer things drag along. Cantarell is tapped out, and there goes 70% of their government revenue. Perhaps something will shake out of that disaster, in combination with our own, but it won't be the "Amero" of prior discussions.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Does Canada manufacture anything anymore? Didn't they get screwed by NAFTA too?

:shrug:

[Indiana_Dem]

10. Uh, they have LOTS of oil shale reserves that the U.S. has rights to under NAFTA or something....nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. I knew about their oil shale reserves. Why do we have a right to that?

[Indiana_Dem]

48. I don't know. I was just reading a post from someone and they said under NAFTA

we have a right to that under the NAFTA agreement. That and the natural gas. I may be wrong but that's just what someone said in another forum. It's not right. It's just what I've heard.

[lovuian]

11. Canada and Mexico are interconnected with US

all I can say is everything is in place for a New Currency called the Amero which will be backed not only by US but Canada and Mexico

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. The Amero. Doesn't seem like a good idea. What do you think?

[lovuian]

25. It isn't its away to take control of America and take away our

identity and democracy... we won't be the country that Washington fought for
we will begin to look like Hitlers New World order

they will make the argument for unification sound so good just like what happened in Europe
the people will just be told and they will do it

no voting

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. I thought as much. Thank you for your input.

[bhikkhu]

32. At the moment, there is nothing in it for Canada

that was my point. An they have an intelligent population and a government which is bound to act in its interests. Given present circumstances, it isn't happening.

Which leaves us with Mexico. Will the Peso and the Dollar merge into a single currency? Try getting just one member of congress behind that - just one - that would be a serious challenge. Not to be in the least "against" our neighbor, but the problems of the Mexican economy are not our problems, and our problems are not their problems. There are no large scale solutions that apply well at all.

[lovuian]

38. You go in with the idea that Canadians will have a voice

what canadians have is the oil shale and what they get out of it is Protection from the great US Military because remember Russia is right on their door step as well as its a fact without America
Canada is closely interconnected

just get ready for the announcement

[lovuian]

8. I guess we will see what they will do to rescue

the world from disaster
this is one scenario

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. This is the end of globalization as we know it, as well as the American Empire

and if we come out of this as the Reserve Currency we can count ourselves lucky

This is also the end of the American dominance in world finance...

Think USSR ... and you will be close

This was not planned... even if highly predictable

[lovuian]

9. So if the dollar is not the currency of last resort what one will be?

the yen the yuan the sterling the Euro the Ruble

what currency will come in and save the day?

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. My bet due to economic power relative to other places will

either be the Yuan or the Euro

As is the G-7 is starting the kinds of talks that they are hinting will lead to a new bretton woods agreement, protocol et al... the last one replaced the sterling with the dollar... and why I am betting on the Euro

The consequences of this are severe, by the way. Being the reserve allows us to have more money in circulation than otherwise would be even logical and not suffer things like hyper inlfation

[lovuian]

19. great point thats why being with Canada and Mexico gives us

that extra power and the Amero could be the NEW WORLD ORDER currency to save the day

all the other countries would agree with it especially if they were given special amounts ahead of time

in other words is USA on its way out and dollar

and now a NEW currency is brought in

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. No, I don't expect the US to survive

USSR ... this means about five successor states.

FROM the US... perhaps even a nice and short civil war...

The break up of this country will lead to all but a North American Union

[lovuian]

26. Civil War thats where we are heading

because there will be a bunch of Americans who will fight against the Union

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. You got that right, but for the wrong reasons

ten minutes after Obama gets the EV I expect to hear the hysterical right call for violence

[lovuian]

30. well you might be right but I think we are moments away from

Martial Law and WWIII
thats really why the world markets are crashing because America is going to WAr and everybody is getting out before it hits

Bush and Cheney have no intention of leaving

but if they don't the rebellion will happen

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Yes they do....

in fact I suspect there is already a gentleman's agreement in place that the moment we have a winner that team effectively takes over

Why Bush signed the very standard EO to establish the transfer of power team... today... way early...

And until he did that... I was positive we were going to have WW III and shoot at Iran... speaking off... the House and Senate have pulled back from any naval blockade

The bushies have lost all the power now that the house of cards many of us expected to come down finally did

[lovuian]

36. I have Hope you are so right but remember their are other

players that may bomb Iran whether we like it or not

We are really at WAR as we speak Financial War

Russia is being taken down by the price of oil ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. we are ... but it is not to bring down the Ruskies

but to decide who gets to set terms in a post American era

Why the brits started nationalizing banks... and we are considering it (aka will do it before too long, perhaps during the weekend)

[lovuian]

42. Agreed they want control of the Banks

they will determine who gets what
He who controls the banks controls the country

who knows we may not even need currency just a chip to access or account

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Let me assure you, the end of the US is just that, the end of the US

no Amero, no North American Union

That was the plan at one point... it is far from being executable... perhaps not even in my lifetime

[Indiana_Dem]

12. well I hope it IS the end of globalization because it only hurts us.

I'm more of a left libertarian and believe in msaller, more localized currencies...sustainable growth as a model not infinite growth.

[lovuian]

14. I agree with you totally we don't need ONE currency we need

a whole variety ...the Dollar has been a stable currency until Bush got in

[Hannah Bell]

53. Gee, & after we ponied up the 700 billion, too!!

[Chimichurri]

13. Anything in Bush World is possible. I never thought I'd see The

Supreme Court install a President, worry about The Fourth Amendment, preemptive wars, watch an entire city drown for days while the President celebrated McCain's birthday, be afraid of going to rallies for fear of being arrested or put on a "no-fly" list, watch the interest rates on my credit cards rise to extortion levels, listen to congressmen argue the virtues of torture, deregulation of the media so huge conglomerates could emerge, allow the pharmaceuticals to corrupt the FDA, have lobbyists write legislation that actually passes, the bailout of the fraud committed by Wall Street,
on and on it goes.

A few years ago I would laugh when I'd read about the Amero, but with everything that's been allowed to occur, today it remains an absolute possibility.

[lovuian]

17. Rumours have it that its already minted and ready to go

doesn't this feel like its orchestrated ...the timing is the telling thing for me
right before the election

I agree anything with this group is possible

[lonestarnot]

16. The destruction of currency is a sidenote or was it one of the targets?

How will the richies make out on this?

[DividedWeAre]

18. the singular world currency theory/conspiracy

it could be. i am sure that russia would prefer that it be the ruble and china would prefer that it be the (whatever they use). i think that no matter what, the U.S. takes a big hit in both the use of the dollar and the further reducetion of respect around the world. It will be labeled as America's fault and maybe that is right. More truthfully, it is the fault of unchecked greed. And that exists everywhere.

[lovuian]

23. all the countries need to go along with the new currency

so to tell the people of the world to save the day

let us bring in the currency that will be the one to count on

the Euro doesn't seem capable so it will go to the New Currency
the G7 may make a announcement on it

Just thinking out of the box here
Fear and Panic they want Chaos and then the savior will come in with the answer to the Worlds problem

[Indiana_Dem]

24. Related to the collapse & about the bailout & AIG: I received this email today:

It may be from a right wing nut but it does sound palatable to me:

This is the best plan I have heard in a LONG time:

To: The many people I know who are on my email lists, I don't know who this guy is. But it kind of makes you think......

The Birk Economic Recovery Plan

Hi Pals,

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.


Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.


To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bon-a-fide U.S. Citizens 18+.


Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.


My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.


Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.


Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 rig ht back to Uncle Sam.


But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.


What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.
00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.


Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college - it'll be there
Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.


Buy a new car - create jobs
Invest in the market - capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.


If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incent ive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.


If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG - liquidate it.


Sell off its parts.


Let American General go back to being American General.


Sell off the real estate.


Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.


Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.


Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work.
"

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion 'We Deserve It Dividend' more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .


And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.


Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.


Kindest personal regards,

Birk

T. J.

Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic

PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion

[lovuian]

28. this bailout is not for Americans its the biggest robbery

ever seen and its away of taking over the financial capital of the world

[Art_from_Ark]

47. I think Birk's math is a tad off

$85 billion divided by 200 million would be $425 per eligible person.

[R. P. McMurphy]

31. my kitteh thinks you're onto something!!!

[JfortheDonks]

33. I Think That Is A Very Good Possibility

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/welcome-to-the-final-stag_b_127990.html. and http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/index.html for starts. Something is definitely going on, and I think Bush should be impeached immediately!!! Just what would that take anyway?! There are so many rumors floating around about the Amero, Northcom in Georgia, FEMA coffins stock piled in Georgia, Martial Law, and people can laugh if they want to, but what if there really is something to all this?! We are going to be sorry as hell if somebody doesn't step up to the bat. The Federal Reserve top investors are all from the richest families on the planet, and think about the ACH system - what if they decide to freeze that next?! Isn't this ironic and coincidental that all this is taking place during an election?! If Martial Law is enforced right now by Bush, don't people realize that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution would automatically be suspended, and that in that case, the current President can stay on office, and there is nothing Congress can do about it for at least 6 months?! Look at the Executive Orders. I don't think we have seen the worst of it yet, and I hate to even think about how much more worse it can get!!! We are wearing our rose colored glasses, hoping that things are just gonna be okay again, when I know I won't sleep well again until January 20th after our new President is sworn in, and hopefully it ain't McPain!!! Those of us who question things are told we're crazy. There's something weird in the atmosphere these days, and people better start doing their research on the past vs. the present because history does repeat itself unfortunately. This is no tin foil moment - this is pretty damn serious stuff that's going on not only in our own economy, but the world's!!! The other day when Bush spoke on tv during the day, it really pissed me off when he snickered while talking about the financial and credit situation, saying something like, "Somebody might need a new couch for their digs." I'm glad that some of us can recognize something fishy while it's brewing - we won't be surprised when it actually happens. Our country has never been closer to having a dictator than we have for the last 8 years, and Bush and McCain openly even joke about it. What's happening right now is what happened prior to WWII and what Hitler did http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/putsch.htm.

[lovuian]

35. I have 59,000 views on my video about the Amero so some

people don't think that its all BS either in fact in Texas we see the highway they built to transport goods from mexico to Canada

this is the Bush agenda taking America down so that when he is done everybody will want to be part of a new country a new world order with a new currency

[JfortheDonks]

39. I've Also Heard

That in Port Beaumont, TX that there are UN vehicles stockpiled. Nothing surprises me anymore with him. The more those of us who are aware of what could happen keep informing our fellow Americans, the less of a chance he stands to follow through with his insane little agenda. Knowledge is power.

[lovuian]

43. Yes many are informed and are ready It may not be

as easy as they think
but they are desperate and have to try it

They want fear they want panic they want chaos right now

Bush hasn't lost any money I'm sure

think about if they change the currency then the debt wiped clean

[JfortheDonks]

45. Yeah, That's Why They Are Trying To Merge

All of the banks so quickly into just 1 or 2 or so. When they decide to freeze the ACH, it'll be a piece of cake. We'll be at their mercy for money, food, shelter, you name it.

[lovuian]

55. exactly they want control of the finance and money

so they can control Americans but Money is in a way just an illusion

its really only paper not backed up with anything except TRUST

[illuminaughty]

51. My family used to laugh at all my tinfoil talk

until it started happening. All of a sudden they're calling from Texas and their land is in one of the corridors for NASCO (I think that's the new acronym) Anyway, the highway owned by Cintas with the hub (first point of customs) here in Kansas City. They had to submit reasons why their land should be spared.

They are in the East Corridor that is being planned.

I think you're right. This is it. The coup to set us up for the Amero. Everything else predicted has already happened.

[lovuian]

56. people won't be laughing pretty soon

my friend just got a pollster asking who she would vote for Biden or McCain

does that tell you where the Republicans are coming from

they are very evil and will do what it takes to control this

[Waiting For Everyman]

37. Sure, why not

we got into this with globalization and tying the risk together. Let's do it some more with a common currency.

[lovuian]

41. oh they will promise they will never ever do this again

just like how they promised that banks would never have a run on them

lots of promises but in fact more control and more stealing

[MilesColtrane]

46. .

[earth mom]

49. Glad to see this posted. Yes, I think all signs point to the North American Union and the Amero.

Why else would * & Co crash the economy like they have done? It was deliberate because they did nothing to stop it and instead did everything to bring it on.

I am against the Amero & the North American Union because I do not think it will protect the individual sovereignty of all three countries. Instead, I fear that we will be looking at a entire new country with a dictator at the helm and zero rights for the people. Which means bye bye USA and The Constitution, which is the one thing the people in this country have that is really worth a damn, in fact, it is everything. I find it shocking that some people don't understand the implications of what this plan means. They do not see the threat to The Constitution and to their own rights and that amazes me. Instead, they think it sounds all buddy buddy, "lets hook up with Canada & Mexico", which would be fine, except for the diabolical plan to destroy all three countries and the rights of the people that is underneath it all.

I'm agnostic, and even I am praying for this to not happen to whatever, whomever, may or may not be out there. :scared:

[lligrd]

50. I Don't Think So

We are broke, Mexico is poor and no way Canada can carry us. And South America basically hates us so we sure can't count on them. I think we are on our own here and that the world that was tied to us economically is about to cut those ties and let us sink.

[muriel_volestrangler]

52. People do realise the US dollar is quite strong at the moment, don't they?

This talk of the dollar collapsing seems surprising when it's doing well at the moment:

The losses also reflect the surprising strength of the American dollar against virtually every world currency, as investors move to the relative safety of U.S. government bonds and Europe's economy shows even greater strains than the U.S. economy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081010.wbanksdollar10/BNStory/Front

US Dollar Index Makes Fresh 2008 Highs

It fell a lot over the past 8 years, but the past few months have been a good time for the dollar.

[lovuian]

54. with the huge debt the bailout has caused the dollar

is on a precipice anything could push it over

the crash of our financial system is to hide the stealing and America will be completely taken over and destroyed
there will be a new king over more territory ... just remember when it happens that someone told you this was their plan all along

[JfortheDonks]

57. And May I Add

Notice how they are trying to blame this all on Congress? Well, if everyone recalls, the bailout was BUSH'S idea, and he threatened Congress with Martial Law if they didn't hurry and get it worked out and passed!!! This was not Nancy Pelosi's and Congress's fault! This is just another side-tracked bunch of b.s. - just like Afghanistan and Iraq...

[lovuian]

58. CNN Discusses The Success of The New World Order 11/10/08

CNN Discusses The Success of The New World Order

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lFCFIiwrsg

We are not alone in our thinking that this financial crisis is orchestrated so that America is placed in a weak position and the power of the people is taking away more and more

The Bush's are traitors to this country