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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:50 AM
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Trump Should Be Fired as a Citizen
Donald Trump told Wolf Blitzer on CNN on Wednesday that Bush should have been impeached for lying us into a war, and that he was surprised Nancy Pelosi hadn't done it. This was the first time CNN had invited a guest on to say that, even though it's been a majority position in America for years. And they didn't invite Trump on to say it; Trump caught Blitzer by surprise and challenged the host on his dishonest defense of Bush.

But what sort of a slow learner is Trump? The war lies began in September 2001. A major impeachment movement began despite lacking any serious source of funding in May 2005. Pelosi swore she would never impeach no matter what in May 2006. Congress members like Dennis Kucinich and Robert Wexler tried to force the issue through 2007 and 2008. And what did Trump do? Did he provide us funding to hire organizers? Did he fund independent media or polling companies that would report the news? Did he show his face at a single antiwar event? Did he breathe one word in public?

And now, with three months of the Bush-Cheney regime left to go, new wars being contemplated, and the White House beginning to do for Wall Street what it's done for Iraq, New Orleans, and the rest of the planet, Trump is suddenly interested. And what does he do? Does he propose impeachment? Does he oppose self-pardons? Does he help fund prosecution efforts that are just beginning? No, he goes on CNN and effectively declares that the opportunity for accountability is over by discussing it in the past tense.

For that, Trump should receive partial credit for the damage of the next three months, and for the precedent we are setting of presidencies free to operate outside the rule of law. As a citizen, this man's performance rates a D-minus. If I were his employer I'd fire him.

As a member of the plutocracy who's belatedly come to his senses, however, Trump wouldn't have to stay unemployed. He could get his job back in a heart beat by scraping some of the change out of his sofa and funding a serious organization to pursue legal strategies to put Bush and Cheney behind bars. These efforts are well underway ( http://convictbushcheney.org ) but have no funding. We don't even have the opportunity to go on CNN and say what we've been screaming at the top of our lungs for seven years.

This is not the time for summer soldiers and sunshine real estate tycoons, Donald. Your country and your world need exactly what you have and need it right now. Future lamentations over the failures of others will not be taken any more seriously than this one. Step up and act.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:54 AM
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1. Trump is a loudmouth egomaniac
Who earned his money the old-fashioned way-he inherited it. Since then his claim to fame has been grandiose developments that he always filed bankruptcy on to get out of paying for his debts. That and marrying trophy wives.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 08:02 AM
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2. Trump knows that Bush's approval ratings would be in the 60's if she had
And all this economic mess would have been blamed on the Dems for them being more concerned with impeaching Bush than helping the economy.

Trump is a first class shithead.

Don
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 08:36 AM
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3. I'm no apologist for Trump, BUT...
he has been outspokenly against Bush
for MANY years, even calling for impeachment
over a year ago, when Pelosi stepped into
her house position.

Any googler that goes beyond page 6 will find
MANY instances of "The Donald" spouting off
against the regime.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:40 AM
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7. What You Said (w/ video links)
He's not my cup of tea, but he's been out front with this. For example,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqA2Hs5dTFM (from 1.5 years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxFn8FfauU
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:51 AM
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8. thanks
will post these
but doesn't amount to his having tried to change anything
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 08:42 AM
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4. His silence helped ruin the country. He should take his comb-over hair and go back
into the board room for another lobotomy.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:49 AM
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5. So, someone goes on TV and says Bush should be impeached and you go off on a diatribe attacking that
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 10:50 AM by w4rma
person and saying he should be "fired as a citizen".


Great response. Way to support folks who support your positions, now. That's really going to go a long way in coaxing more folks to come out and say these things openly. :sarcasm:
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:19 PM
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13. davidswanson is a pretty smart guy...
...usually. But not always.
I live in NYC, and I've long had the impression that the donald does not like the bush regime.
Is he required to come out and say that at every opportunity?
No.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:44 PM
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14. I'm just sitting back and wondering, while adding to what w4rma said,
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 04:14 PM by FREEWILL56
just how many of you did anything? I know some of you did about as much as what Trump has done by verbalizing your feelings on bush, but I guess you should be stripped of your citizenship too along with me for that same crime. He's done more than many higher up democratic pieces of crap have, let alone many common citizens, so criticism of him is to criticize yourselves for your own lack of action while letting the real culprits of inaction and collusion get away with it in both parties. The repuke party certainly hasn't done anything to their emperor, but the democratic party has NOT backed the impeachment of bushco or backed those trying to get justice done either with developing a 'join them rather than beat them' attitude and neither party seems to give a fuck about what is right or just. I support the real man of change to get this country back on track and reinstate justice, our Constitution, and Bill of Rights instead of catering to the rich, elite, and powerfull. Dennis Kucinich
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:13 PM
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15. i agree
Trump has done no less than the majority of our citizens. So he didn't give you any money? Grow up.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:52 PM
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17. Trump's failure as a citizen goes way beyond that
He and his ilk are the very reason our country is in economic crisis right now. He's a greedy motherfucker who helped to inspire the explosion of MBAs in this country. There's nothing admirable at all about him at all.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:10 AM
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18. Although I agree with you that his greed is not very becoming,
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 01:13 AM by FREEWILL56
I don't believe greed is grounds to lose one's citizenship or many would be ousted including our pResident. I also have to point out that there are many democrats that fit that description though to lesser degrees and need I point out the DLC? In voicing his opinion he still did more than most have and I for one am glad he has that opinion of bush and his cronies for many dems deem to not think that way or that lowly bunch would have been impeached. Yes, blame Trump for what bushco and our democratic leadership has done and you'll be lumped into it too as you may have plenty of nerve to cast that first stone.
hmmm?
hmm?
Don't mind me as I'm just thinking if you have any IRAs, money market accounts, stocks, etc. and wonder what excuse you may have for keeping your citizenship? I really don't want to hear your excuse anyway.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:34 AM
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6. Um, he has also been outspoken about Condi's failures
Says she never "closes the deal", just gets the photo op, insults someone, then leaves.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:44 PM
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9. He should be fired for bad hair too
:evilgrin:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:45 PM
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10. He supports McCain.
Has said so multiple times on CNN. It doesn't make much sense if he opposes Bush/Cheney policies. I suppose it's due to his personal relationship with McCain and/or he loves deregulation and big tax cuts for the wealthy. Or he's a closet racist.
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:05 PM
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11. Toupee glue seeping into his brain...again.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:09 PM
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12. Trump should be fired from a cannon n/t
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 02:09 PM by nichomachus
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:02 PM
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16. This is on Pelosi, not Trump. It's not his job to give the Democrats a spine transplant.
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