Explain how "redemption" absolves all war crimes

[specimenfred1984]

"Redemption" in this case has been defined as a war criminal who suddenly supports your candidate so is therefore "redeemed". Here's a short list of Colin Powell's lies that led to the Iraq War, explain how suddenly supporting Obama absolves this conspiracy to commit war:

http://oversight.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/

-----Iraq on the Record is searchable by the the five Administration officials most responsible for providing public information and shaping public opinion on Iraq:

President George W. Bush
Vice President Dick Cheney
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell
Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice-----

[Ian David]

1. Supporting someone who can grant you a pardon is hardly an act of redemption. n/t

[Faygo Kid]

2. It doesn't. But I'll still take the endorsement.

We have to win this one. There is no margin for error.

This helps. That's what counts to me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. They should seek redemption after serving an appropriate sentence.

But, such avenues of redemption are reserved for the lesser criminals who only kill, steal, assassinate, plunder, on a small scale.

Big timers become "valuable" politically and immune from justice therefore making redemption moot.

[Lex]

4. Strawman. No one said it "absolves all war crimes."

nt

[liberalmuse]

5. It doesn't. Stupid question. n/t

[ClayZ]

6. When one becomes part of the SOLUTION

and keeps walking that way, HE or SHE do not continue to be part of the PROBLEM.


Is that not what Redemption is about?


Seeing the LIGHT!


Amazing Grace! It is still after all these years, deaths, slave ships, murders, greed,


A SWEET SOUND! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG3Xd7ENuyk

[DJ13]

7. How many posts have you now done on this since yesterday?

[TahitiNut]

8. Since when does a prior 'bad' deed make a 'good' deed 'bad'??

'Good' people do 'bad' things for 'good' reasons. Try judging the act, not the actor.
:shrug:

[Solon]

11. I'm puzzled by the idea that he's a "good" man in the first place...

Are people not to be judged by their own actions?

[TahitiNut]

12. In a kangaroo court?

:eyes:

[Solon]

13. I would agree, to a certain extent....

However, his own actions leading up to the war are inexcusable, he opposed it, yet went along with the Bush line regardless of his own feelings on the matter. Indeed, even now, he's rather unapologetic about the whole thing, still supports the current war in Iraq, and regardless of what he does now, this will be what he is judged on.

I'm not saying that he could have stopped Bush, that's ridiculous, however, he is responsible for his own actions while acting as Secretary of State. He had options, but decided to tow the line of the Administration to keep his post. Why minimize that?

I simply don't view any of this as the actions of a good man, and I really am tired of the excuses people bring about to try to minimize his role in the whole affair concerning the Iraq War. In an ideal world, he would face an international tribunal for crimes against peace. That's not going to happen, unfortunately.

[TahitiNut]

14. You seem to have a "hung jury" ... even on DU.

:shrug:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TahitiNut/558

[Solon]

16. I agree with most of that post, though I do recommend you get rid of or change the background...

it makes reading your posts rather difficult. However, I don't understand the idea of "limited respect" you either respect the guy, or not. Granted, I view Powell as a man who is solely self-serving, and his actions over the past two decades seems to bear this out, so I don't see him as a man worthy of respect. I know this probably seems black and white, but I really don't understand where a little respect is warranted.

[TahitiNut]

17. Heaven forbid!

I loooves my footprints in the sands of time. :silly: Life's a beach!

http://members.aol.com/tahitinut/beach.htm (Gotta find a new 'home' for my 15-year-old website - one of the first on the web.)

[Democrats_win]

9. Is there even redemption for America? We can HOPE.

A country that would tolerate bush walking out of office without handcuffs on his wrists is not a nation that deserves redemption. Currently, only as individuals can we talk about redemption. Only if a good man like Obama stands for America instead of a war criminal like McCain can America think of redemption.

Who should plead America's case? Obama or McLiar? It's a landslide!

[conscious evolution]

10. Its not redemption

unless he tells ALL he knows about the crimes committed and testifies about those crimes in open court against bushco.
Even then he should also be held liable for his part in the war.

Too many people have died and or lost everything for him to walk away a free man.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. It doesn't (but you knew that already). No one has to...

"forgive" Powell for any real or imagined war crimes.

Just take the endorsement and let it help Obama win without all the whining.

(I swear, I'm starting to believe all these fucking whiners about Powell don't want Obama to win.)